[Mike #1]

 
        jj

[Pope vader]

a strap will be fine

[PaulKing]

in a 30mph crash you pull 30g's or more so 400 litres will weight in at approx. 12 tons so make sure it a very strong strap.

[Mike #1]

Will do paul thanks for that .  MIKE

[dave f]

firstly is it a baffed tank?if it aint you are asking for trouble it would be unstable god forbid if you had a bump your insurance would wriggle out of paying if you aint informed them of having water tank fitted and not properly fitted, safty must be upmost not only for you but for other road users

[Mike #1]

It is a baffled tank

[dazmond]

i would ratchet strap it down mate.i have a 350 in my van and its strapped down tight with 5 ton ratchets through the eyelets in van floor.doesnt budge an inch even when empty.

[RichardBardsley]

5 ton rachet strap will not handle 12 tons of force if in a low speed accident. Dont listen to numpty boys and do it properly otherwise you'll have an accident which will rocket insurance cover when they have to pay out for your injuries.
Its happened to a guy in Birmingham this year and Aviva will not insure us guys anymore.

[dave f]

dito

[A & J Owen Window Cleaning]

a good strap should be ok.is it bolted to the floor

[Pope vader]

has any one actually had a smash with a tank straped down?

i have  and it didnt move, mine was head on down a country lane, 400 ltr upright and was full

[Mike #1]

.... do it properly otherwise you'll have an accident which will rocket insurance cover when they have to pay out for your injuries....

I dont think that will be the result.  They will just not pay out at all.  If you are carrying equipment not properly secured, they will wriggle out of any liability (quite rightly - why should I pay extra insurance for idiots who dont take proper care?)


I am no idiot mate read the post properly it might not be secured as yet bit there is very little room for the  flat baffled tank to move in the back of my  pickup,    The tank has not moved at all either full or empty .   

The tank is not a permanent fixture to the pickup it is no different to working with a trolley system and having over ten  25 ltr containers in the back , and taking them out when not working .

I was asking for sound advice not insults

As for anchorage points they are in each top corner of the load area

                                            MIKE

[Mike #1]

Also how can an insurance company be such a pain in the arse  ,     was a good way  behind a farmer last week with about 30 round hay bales ratchet strapped to a large trailer when 2 bales come off the back , and he managed to travel 200 mtrs up the road before he even became aware he had lost 2 bales off the trailer ,


thank fully at the time there was only me well behind him at the time on the road .


also what does a insurance class as professionally fitted tank as far as i am aware only ionics tanks are crash tested ,  so surely we are all driving around with with insecure tanks to a degree .

[pristinewindows]

First its a modification.
Second its a home made modification.
Would you insure this if you owned an insurance company?

[StockClean]

.... do it properly otherwise you'll have an accident which will rocket insurance cover when they have to pay out for your injuries....

I dont think that will be the result.  They will just not pay out at all.  If you are carrying equipment not properly secured, they will wriggle out of any liability (quite rightly - why should I pay extra insurance for idiots who dont take proper care?)


I am no idiot mate read the post properly it might not be secured as yet bit there is very little room for the  flat baffled tank to move in the back of my  pickup,    The tank has not moved at all either full or empty .   

The tank is not a permanent fixture to the pickup it is no different to working with a trolley system and having over ten  25 ltr containers in the back , and taking them out when not working .

I was asking for sound advice not insults

As for anchorage points they are in each top corner of the load area

                                            MIKE

I would go that extra mile, and where you strap down onto the anchor points, see if you can find a way to re-inforce the points by bolting a double bracket through the floor, and underneath connecting the points togther on both sides using thick 5mm steel rods or bars. Got a feeling that the anchor points will peel off the floor like a sardine can in an accident.

[Mike #1]

the anchor points are in the top corners of the sides of the load area of the pickup  not in the floor , the only options i have seen are from window cleaning warehouse which are a secure frame which is bolted through the floor or bulkhead ,  

bulkhead fixture  is not an option with pickup as there is a gap between bulkhead cab area  and load area ,


and dont fancy bolting  through floor of a £17,000 pickup , also afore mentioned frames carry a disclaimer in the pdf file fitting instructions ,  

I know a couple of steel fabricators will investigate this week

thanks for your opinion stockclean,    MIKE

[G Griffin]

Use some carpet grippers to secure your tank to the underlay.

[Mike #1]

So i assume almost every window cleaner on here has a professionally factory fitted tank and secure frame. ??

Sorry dave mills got a bit wound up ,


So a modification  which is fitted to a car or van which will alter the handling for instance a water tank  or change the look of the car or van such as a roof rack and ladder must be reported to a insurance company .

So clearly the farmer i mentioned before would not be insured to carry a a few ton of hay bales tied down with ratchet straps

[Pope vader]

if a tank is fitted in a frame that is welded/bolted to the chassis of the pickup  then it is a mod and need reporting,  if it is just strapped down it doent need reporting as the hooks come as standard on them (and vans) for carrying up to a certain weight, as long as the tank is underweight and the straps are strong enough then you are not breaking any law

[Mike #1]

Thanks for that ORI,