[Jamie Pearson]

Upholstery, not quite so much time saving if you pre-spray and agitate prior to extraction, maybe 3 to 3.5 hours with a ninja compared to about 2 with the TM.  There's not as much donkey work the TM can take away on upholstery, seems as much more of it is in the preparation (at least the way I do it)

What would be the fuel cost of a Bluewave running for 2 hours at the revs required for upholstery?

[Thackley Cleaning Services]

Hi lads,

for a (relatively) new person to carpet cleaning who has used a couple of portys (steempro and powerflite) is the difference in speed that Jim was talking about due to you needing less passes to clean over the carpet, or that the passes you make are faster ?

its hard for guys like us with portys to appreciate the difference until we actually start using a TM or a prowler.

Also do TM guys pre-spray etc for really bad jobs or do you rely on the high psi / suction of the TM to do the job for you ?

thanks,

dan

[neil kellett]

Same as myself i use the Vivaro. Got an Ionics in there and when I reverse into the drive way, I fill up the sol tank of the Advance with pure water and feed the hose out of the van. An unsuspecting custard or passer by nosey parker would think it is a TM as the ionics has that kind of look with the baffeled tank bolted into the chassis. What I'd love to know is, With a prowler, could you hook it up to the pump with the hoze lock connectors? The pump has an auto switch off so the situation would be, as I depress the trigger on the stair tool or rotovac or wand or whatever the pump would come back on and force water into the Prowler? Would that damage the pump? Could the Prowler handle that? Where is the waste tank? Is it a separate hose into the toilet type of thing? Can a prowler be left on the van during the winter? Is the one going for 3500 the old model that looks like a steam engine or that newer model? Just wondering.
What about having a tap or outlet fitted to the bottom of the tank. That way you could screw off the top and just fill it instead of purifying it in. You could then just use it as a bowser for pressure washing or for the prowler. Is it possible to fit a tap to a baffeled tank which is installed in a van without disrupting the wfp system. That way you could leave the prowler on the van and be rerady to clean carpets there and then. (or atleast show case to your wc custys by doing a free bull nose as a sample?) I can't leave the Alltec advance on the van, too many electrics for the dampish environment on it and its not robust enough, it would get scuffed and is too cumbersome to work around. I'd like to sel it and trade up to the prowler. Again, is the prowler something that can be left on the van all year round?

hi
careful doing that. i know its different but i fed a pressure washer with my wfp pump. it bust the pump, i think the pw pulled to much and had a syphoning effect on the diaghram.

but iam wondering if i could use the 650 wfp tank as a water supply.?

cheers

john

[Billy Russell]

i think the pheonix is definately a good choice, have a chat with billy russel, he's had one for about 7 months now and annoys the hell out of me with his, "mines got more suction than yours, ner ner ne ner nerrrr"  cheers mr ingram, i just can't shut him up now you told him that.

In the words of the great Tina Turner.................................


Your simply the BEST, BETTER than all the rest, better than any tm, any tm i've every met!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[clarkson]

Same as myself i use the Vivaro. Got an Ionics in there and when I reverse into the drive way, I fill up the sol tank of the Advance with pure water and feed the hose out of the van. An unsuspecting custard or passer by nosey parker would think it is a TM as the ionics has that kind of look with the baffeled tank bolted into the chassis. What I'd love to know is, With a prowler, could you hook it up to the pump with the hoze lock connectors? The pump has an auto switch off so the situation would be, as I depress the trigger on the stair tool or rotovac or wand or whatever the pump would come back on and force water into the Prowler? Would that damage the pump? Could the Prowler handle that? Where is the waste tank? Is it a separate hose into the toilet type of thing? Can a prowler be left on the van during the winter? Is the one going for 3500 the old model that looks like a steam engine or that newer model? Just wondering.
What about having a tap or outlet fitted to the bottom of the tank. That way you could screw off the top and just fill it instead of purifying it in. You could then just use it as a bowser for pressure washing or for the prowler. Is it possible to fit a tap to a baffeled tank which is installed in a van without disrupting the wfp system. That way you could leave the prowler on the van and be rerady to clean carpets there and then. (or atleast show case to your wc custys by doing a free bull nose as a sample?) I can't leave the Alltec advance on the van, too many electrics for the dampish environment on it and its not robust enough, it would get scuffed and is too cumbersome to work around. I'd like to sel it and trade up to the prowler. Again, is the prowler something that can be left on the van all year round?

hi
careful doing that. i know its different but i fed a pressure washer with my wfp pump. it bust the pump, i think the pw pulled to much and had a syphoning effect on the diaghram.

but iam wondering if i could use the 650 wfp tank as a water supply.?

cheers

john

[derek west]

i think the pheonix is definately a good choice, have a chat with billy russel, he's had one for about 7 months now and annoys the hell out of me with his, "mines got more suction than yours, ner ner ne ner nerrrr"  cheers mr ingram, i just can't shut him up now you told him that.

In the words of the great Tina Turner.................................


Your simply the BEST, BETTER than all the rest, better than any tm, any tm i've every met!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

i rest my case on the "camp" comment i made on an earlier thread.

[clarkson]

Same as myself i use the Vivaro. Got an Ionics in there and when I reverse into the drive way, I fill up the sol tank of the Advance with pure water and feed the hose out of the van. An unsuspecting custard or passer by nosey parker would think it is a TM as the ionics has that kind of look with the baffeled tank bolted into the chassis. What I'd love to know is, With a prowler, could you hook it up to the pump with the hoze lock connectors? The pump has an auto switch off so the situation would be, as I depress the trigger on the stair tool or rotovac or wand or whatever the pump would come back on and force water into the Prowler? Would that damage the pump? Could the Prowler handle that? Where is the waste tank? Is it a separate hose into the toilet type of thing? Can a prowler be left on the van during the winter? Is the one going for 3500 the old model that looks like a steam engine or that newer model? Just wondering.
What about having a tap or outlet fitted to the bottom of the tank. That way you could screw off the top and just fill it instead of purifying it in. You could then just use it as a bowser for pressure washing or for the prowler. Is it possible to fit a tap to a baffeled tank which is installed in a van without disrupting the wfp system. That way you could leave the prowler on the van and be rerady to clean carpets there and then. (or atleast show case to your wc custys by doing a free bull nose as a sample?) I can't leave the Alltec advance on the van, too many electrics for the dampish environment on it and its not robust enough, it would get scuffed and is too cumbersome to work around. I'd like to sel it and trade up to the prowler. Again, is the prowler something that can be left on the van all year round?

hi
careful doing that. i know its different but i fed a pressure washer with my wfp pump. it bust the pump, i think the pw pulled to much and had a syphoning effect on the diaghram.

but iam wondering if i could use the 650 wfp tank as a water supply.?

cheers

john

thats what i do  i have a dual tap from dual pumps, it has a three quarter inch outlet and a normal tap outlet for pressure washing. i only have delivery system in van so i can fill with pure water from static or tap water with a hose. i could fill a porty with this. truckmount,  i dont know what the demand is but 650 is a lot of water by cc standards

[Jim_77]

What would be the fuel cost of a Bluewave running for 2 hours at the revs required for upholstery?

The machine would only be running for 45-60 minutes, depending on the job.  Mine runs on LPG, fuel cost would only be a few quid for that.

[Jamie Pearson]

So still no great advantage in using a portable in its place when you have a TM unless access was the issue. The hour saving still outweighs the fuel cost.

[derek west]

it costs me around £5 an hour to run my truckmount, the illusion though is that if i say it takes me 2 hours to clean a big suite then people assume it costs me around £10 in petrol, where as the true cost is around £4, as most of a suite clean is taken up with prespray and brush agitation, 40 mins max to rinse out.

[Simon Gerrard]

As Derek says, the Tm is only running when you are actually cleaning. My Titan averages £128 per running hour at a cost of £5ph.

Simon

[Jim_77]

Having said all that, the fuel cost per hour isn't the full picture

Every 100 hours you put on the machine you have to do an oil/filter change.  Then every year it needs a full service.  So in reality every hour you put on the truckmount also incurs a % of the servicing costs.  That will be different for everyone, depending on how much you use the machine and how much you pay for your servicing!  But for argument's sake say it's another £1.50 you have to add on to your hourly running cost.  Still not bad!

I'm actually pleasantly surprised how well my machine has done in the first couple of years I've had it.  Apart form a couple of teething problems and one stupid mistake of my own, it has been pretty much trouble-free and not thrown any unexpected repair bills at me.

I've cursed myself now haven't I

[Ricky M]

Jim, Famous last words there !

[richy27]

and dont forget diff size tms have diff running costs my little spitfire is very cheap to run and maintain and for my first tm is perfect.  bit like my first car

[Simon Gerrard]

There seems to be a popular fallacy, mostly in the minds on non TM'ers that TM's are expensive to maintain. Nothing could be further from the truth, in my experience. Yes, the parts can be expensive but modern machines are so durable and reliable that most of the major components run perfectly for 1,000's of hours. And when you consider the sheer revenue earning potential of a TM, the odd part here and there is a drop in the ocean.

Simon

[Mike Halliday]

I totally agree with Simon, the service cost of a T/M are insignificant.

 to use the figures that have been quoted on this topic....

Derek has his T/M running for 40mins on a suite

Jim N says a t/m need servicing every 100hrs

so if I only cleaned suites I could clean approx 130 suite per service interval  if i charged say £100 (for mathematical ease) then I will have taken £13,000......if i took the day off work drove to Cornwall and paid H/M to do the service it still would be an small amount compared to the money its made me.

and what about the guys charging £130, £150 £180 to clean suites

[derek west]

i bet the maintenance difference in cost is not that big between porty and truck. you porty guys go through a lot of vacs by the sounds of it and theres pat testing and defoamer (defoamers not cheap i bet)  which i hardly use.

[Colin Day]

i bet the maintenance difference in cost is not that big between porty and truck. you porty guys go through a lot of vacs by the sounds of it and theres pat testing and defoamer (defoamers not cheap i bet)  which i hardly use.

I've had the Alltec 2 years with no vac/pump changes. It has cost me £40 for a new tank lid and about £80 for a new plunger kit and seals... Oh, and I use about 5 litres of de-foamer in about every 2 months. so that's £120 a year... So over a year (on average) the porty's cost me £120 a year or £10 a month...

[Colin Day]

Oh and Pat testing costs me a living room carpet clean....

[Neil Williams]

I've had the Alltec 2 years with no vac/pump changes.

Scorpian 4 years maybe 5 with one vac motor changed £120 and customer fuels it with their electric