[GB Window Cleaning]

  so heres the spots (ive been "winging" on about for the past god knows how long) i can see on about 7 houses i do!
they are only visable on the south facing side if the house, but thats probably cos the sun shows them up and they are on the rest of the glass as well?!?!

Now, you have to be at the right angle and the sun as to be blazing and not covered by clouds, but here they are!!!

in all there spotty glory  

  enjoy  

GB

[GB Window Cleaning]

oh by the way, you will have to zoom RIGHT in to the top opener right underneath the suns reflexion!

as you can see the rest of the glass where the sun isnt hitting it "just so" looks perfect!

[Pope vader]

i get them on some windows,  try tradding the window and see if they go,  if they do then wfp and see if they return,  

or after wfp squeege them and see if they go,  

[GB Window Cleaning]

i get them on some windows,  try tradding the window and see if they go,  if they do then wfp and see if they return,  

or after wfp squeege them and see if they go,  

tried doing one house trad with some "cillit bang lime and grime" as someone told me to do on here! there still there!
but then again i didnt sqeegy off i rinsed the cillit bang off with wfp

so next time im at an house with the spots and no one is at hime i will ladder and trad properly.
then if that doesnt work im gonna try hard water removal with some MDR!

thanks mate at least im not the only one (well me and jeff brimble and now you)

GB

[neil kellett]

That would melt my head to get that type of a result, it looks cat. You still getting that with the new system bud? I still use the old yellow poles I got with the Ionics back in '06. I use one pole for the ground and another for the 1st floor ( no commercial here no in Eire anymore, you won't get paid).
Technique. - Wash the first floor first good scrub north south, east west yada yada yada. leave the pole standing against the cill. Then wash the ground floor window ( a good trad pre clean if its an initial - no chem.) Now and this is the key part. All of the water on the top window has now run off (while you were doing the the ground floor) so now is the time to rinse. I'm so slick, I can go to about 2 or 3 mill from the beading while rinsing. (without touching the frame!!! ) hopefully it will curtain or sheet of (you know the phyllic/phyfobic nonsense ) You should stay to about a couple of inches of the frame when rinsing you won't have the pole slickness that I have. But thats the key. Rinse about three or four minutes later

The Neilster.

[John Walker]

Just a thought - are these windows under an overflow pipe from the water tank in the loft?  I've had that a couple of times and the spots are difficult to remove as they are a culmination of hard water splashing over time.

[GB Window Cleaning]

Just a thought - are these windows under an overflow pipe from the water tank in the loft?  I've had that a couple of times and the spots are difficult to remove as they are a culmination of hard water splashing over time.

no there not under an over flow pipe mate

[Perfect Windows]

OK, here's a suggestion.

This isn't happening in every window, is it?

'Fess up to the customer.  Tell them you need their help and ask them if they can see the marks from the inside.

I have a handful of windows that I just can't get right.  In each case I've asked the customer and the response, every time, has been something along the lines of "yes, I can see what you're getting at when I look from here but they are fine from the inside.

Vin

[Spruce]

Hi GB
Are these the type of spots you have been so worried about over the past few months? Are these 'spots' on the top opener only, as I can't see any on the lower window? (There are 2 'spots' but they are probably to do with the camera.)

I have something similar on a couple of windows which appear fine before I start but that have moisture rings after I have finished. A closer inspection revealled that they were between the glass and the Wfp water, being cooler, would cause moisture vapour within the gap to recondense around warmer water droplets still inside. Do these spots only appear on windows that are south facing, ie facing the sun?

I am also presuming that, as I haven't heard you say that the customers have complained, these spots go/fade away over time. On that picture anyway, I would guess that the window has blown and needs replacing as its has moisture within. As it's an opener, it will be subject to more stress than the bigger one, especially if they bang it shut and so will usually fail first.

Spruce

[GB Window Cleaning]

That would melt my head to get that type of a result, it looks cat. You still getting that with the new system bud? I still use the old yellow poles I got with the Ionics back in '06. I use one pole for the ground and another for the 1st floor ( no commercial here no in Eire anymore, you won't get paid).
Technique. - Wash the first floor first good scrub north south, east west yada yada yada. leave the pole standing against the cill. Then wash the ground floor window ( a good trad pre clean if its an initial - no chem.) Now and this is the key part. All of the water on the top window has now run off (while you were doing the the ground floor) so now is the time to rinse. I'm so slick, I can go to about 2 or 3 mill from the beading while rinsing. (without touching the frame!!! ) hopefully it will curtain or sheet of (you know the phyllic/phyfobic nonsense ) You should stay to about a couple of inches of the frame when rinsing you won't have the pole slickness that I have. But thats the key. Rinse about three or four minutes later



The Neilster.

i might try that but it sounds dodgey to me letting them dry before rinsing?  

[GB Window Cleaning]

OK, here's a suggestion.

This isn't happening in every window, is it? no it only seems to be a small amount

'Fess up to the customer.  Tell them you need their help and ask them if they can see the marks from the inside. ok

I have a handful of windows that I just can't get right.  In each case I've asked the customer and the response, every time, has been something along the lines of "yes, I can see what you're getting at when I look from here but they are fine from the inside. thats a a relief

Vin

[GB Window Cleaning]

Hi GB
Are these the type of spots you have been so worried about over the past few months? yes Are these 'spots' on the top opener only, as I can't see any on the lower window? no there on the bottom to but like i said they only show up where the suns hits them direct and not covered by cloud! (There are 2 'spots' but they are probably to do with the camera.)

I have something similar on a couple of windows which appear fine before I start but that have moisture rings after I have finished. A closer inspection revealled that they were between the glass and the Wfp water, being cooler, would cause moisture vapour within the gap to recondense around warmer water droplets still inside. Do these spots only appear on windows that are south facing, ie facing the sun? yes! precisely! and this is a theory ive never heard before, interesting. i'll have to get my ladders out wont i! trouble is there always the bloody custy at hom when i arrive at one of the housese with the problem  : i only just got this pic without being spotted! no pun intended  

I am also presuming that, as I haven't heard you say that the customers have complained, only 2 custys have complained these spots go/fade away over time. not sure On that picture anyway, I would guess that the window has blown and needs replacing as its has moisture within. As it's an opener, it will be subject to more stress than the bigger one, especially if they bang it shut and so will usually fail first.

thanks for your input mate

Spruce

[Spruce]

Hi GB
Are these the type of spots you have been so worried about over the past few months? yes Are these 'spots' on the top opener only, as I can't see any on the lower window? no there on the bottom to but like i said they only show up where the suns hits them direct and not covered by cloud! (There are 2 'spots' but they are probably to do with the camera.)

I have something similar on a couple of windows which appear fine before I start but that have moisture rings after I have finished. A closer inspection revealled that they were between the glass and the Wfp water, being cooler, would cause moisture vapour within the gap to recondense around warmer water droplets still inside. Do these spots only appear on windows that are south facing, ie facing the sun? yes! precisely! and this is a theory ive never heard before, interesting. i'll have to get my ladders out wont i! trouble is there always the bloody custy at hom when i arrive at one of the housese with the problem  : i only just got this pic without being spotted! no pun intended  

I am also presuming that, as I haven't heard you say that the customers have complained, only 2 custys have complained these spots go/fade away over time. not sure On that picture anyway, I would guess that the window has blown and needs replacing as its has moisture within. As it's an opener, it will be subject to more stress than the bigger one, especially if they bang it shut and so will usually fail first.

thanks for your input mate

Spruce

If there was an issue, I'm sure they would have complained by now, so I personally wouldn't concern myself over it too much more TBH.

Spruce

[GB Window Cleaning]

Hi GB
Are these the type of spots you have been so worried about over the past few months? yes Are these 'spots' on the top opener only, as I can't see any on the lower window? no there on the bottom to but like i said they only show up where the suns hits them direct and not covered by cloud! (There are 2 'spots' but they are probably to do with the camera.)

I have something similar on a couple of windows which appear fine before I start but that have moisture rings after I have finished. A closer inspection revealled that they were between the glass and the Wfp water, being cooler, would cause moisture vapour within the gap to recondense around warmer water droplets still inside. Do these spots only appear on windows that are south facing, ie facing the sun? yes! precisely! and this is a theory ive never heard before, interesting. i'll have to get my ladders out wont i! trouble is there always the bloody custy at hom when i arrive at one of the housese with the problem  : i only just got this pic without being spotted! no pun intended  

I am also presuming that, as I haven't heard you say that the customers have complained, only 2 custys have complained these spots go/fade away over time. not sure On that picture anyway, I would guess that the window has blown and needs replacing as its has moisture within. As it's an opener, it will be subject to more stress than the bigger one, especially if they bang it shut and so will usually fail first.

thanks for your input mate

Spruce

If there was an issue, I'm sure they would have complained by now, so I personally wouldn't concern myself over it too much more TBH.

Spruce

thanks spruce this is the way im starting to think now too, plus it only seems to be on a small amount of windows! but i will keep trying different things to get to the bottom of these god forsaken spots!  im just over the initial panic of it all especially now i know most of the windows i do are not spotted and ive got a van mount system now so i do ground floor wfp too so ican REALLY keep my eye on how windows dry! 

[H S and Son]

Pencil jets?

[GB Window Cleaning]

Pencil jets?

yep

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

I'm still convinced it's nowt to do with your wfp GB!

They were probably there all along, you just don't see them the same when looking face on from the ladder.

[SherwoodCleaningSe]

If these spots are on the exterior glass it might now take something like mdr to get rid of them. Just because the windows are upvc it doesn't mean that they won't chalk and bleed like wooden or Ali windows.

The problem might be that the windows are south facing in the sun all day and that the sun has helped oxidise the frames, therefor the frames would need extra scrubbing each time to make sure that the problem doesn't reaccour.

We can tend to think that all upvc frames are ideal for wfp but many old ones on the sunny side of the house can be very problematic, the water can come off looking like milk, and after you clear the problems up you can start them all up again by getting a hot water system .

Simon.

[H S and Son]

Pencil jets?

yep

Running at about 40 - 60% max flow rate?

[neil kellett]

That would melt my head to get that type of a result, it looks cat. You still getting that with the new system bud? I still use the old yellow poles I got with the Ionics back in '06. I use one pole for the ground and another for the 1st floor ( no commercial here no in Eire anymore, you won't get paid).
Technique. - Wash the first floor first good scrub north south, east west yada yada yada. leave the pole standing against the cill. Then wash the ground floor window ( a good trad pre clean if its an initial - no chem.) Now and this is the key part. All of the water on the top window has now run off (while you were doing the the ground floor) so now is the time to rinse. I'm so slick, I can go to about 2 or 3 mill from the beading while rinsing. (without touching the frame!!! ) hopefully it will curtain or sheet of (you know the phyllic/phyfobic nonsense ) You should stay to about a couple of inches of the frame when rinsing you won't have the pole slickness that I have. But thats the key. Rinse about three or four minutes later

If you've been on about it for a while, it is causing some concern and is obviously an occurance on most of the glass you are cleaning. You said that you would try as I have suggested but you don't want to let the window dry after 3/4 mins. Thats tells me that you are being miserly with the drink. My windows would'nt be dry after 3 or four mins. It doesn't even need to be that long, just enough time for all of the initial wash to completely run off, then rinse, glass only inch down from the top.



The Neilster.

i might try that but it sounds dodgey to me letting them dry before rinsing?