[Sir Squeaky]

It's not worth it for just a few weeks a year.
Cold does the same job 49 or 50 weeks a year for free.

[andrewwebb1]

I think everyone agrees that hot and cold both do the same job but does hot make the job quicker and easier?

[Peter Fogwill]

It's not worth it for just a few weeks a year.
Cold does the same job 49 or 50 weeks a year for free.

Not here in Scotland it doesn't.  Six weeks last winter, and around 3 weeks already this winter and still Jan, Feb, and March to go.  Yes cold does do the same job but slower with more water. I would completely agree with you its not worth it, but loosing 6 weeks work a year, its sure worth spending a couple of hundred pound.

Squeaky it wasn't long ago that the water fed pole was not worth it as far as you were concerned.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[Peter Fogwill]

The results can be the same cleaning with cold or hot, but the time difference favours cold for regular work, that’s without question.

I would question that.  I would recon that hot is faster although I have not personally experienced it.  I do know for a fact that most things clean more effectively with hot as opposed to cold water.  I would think a washing machine using cold water would either have a longer wash cycle, or a stronger detergent.
I also have the word of my two customers, who I would regard as very experienced water fed pole window cleaners, who clean windows 5 days a week 8 hours a day.

BTW what detergents do you use?

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[mci services]

Ok Peter

Rarely use any detergents now peter; I’ve tried allsorts liquid and powder.

I still have a soft bottle hose and Y connector handy just in case, splice it into you hose when you need it use as much or as little detergent as you want very easy to use and set up and cost only a few pounds.

I’m going to delete this because it sounds like DIY

[Peter Fogwill]

Peter I like to keep an open mind, so can you explain why you think hot water cleans quicker for regular work, I’m guessing it uses less water because you think it is quicker.

One of the chaps I mentioned reckoned the water was sheeting more than beading on certain glass, and also ran off the window more effectively.  I can understand the water coming off the glass better as water looses its ability to hold itself together as it heats up, so running off the glass better.  I am not sure but think of the extremities ice and steam.  And it is common knowledge that you are more likely to see a spot on the window when a bead of water dries in as opposed to a window that sheets.

I did do a lot of experimenting with detergents in the summer particularly non ionic surfactants, and would be interested in what detergents you are successfully using.  I have came across some interesting findings, but had to put it on hold to get the hot system up and running, but hope to get back to it soon.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[mci services]

Stu Mac please don’t alter my post

I didn't would you like me to delete it I am only messing around

[Matthew Bateman]

Ok Peter 

Rarely use any detergents now peter; I’ve tried allsorts liquid and powder.

I still have a soft bottle hose and Y connector handy just in case, splice it into you hose when you need it use as much or as little detergent as you want very easy to use and set up and cost only a few pounds.

I’m going to delete this because it sounds like DIY

Whoops  

[mci services]

Stu Mac please don’t alter my post

I didn't would you like me to delete it I am only messing around

No Stu Mac I like your idea, I don’t think I will try it, DIY is not my thing

anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick

[Peter Fogwill]

anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick

I am sure something could be arranged.

Peter

[Peter Fogwill]

Peter I like to keep an open mind, so can you explain why you think hot water cleans quicker for regular work, I’m guessing it uses less water because you think it is quicker.

One of the chaps I mentioned reckoned the water was sheeting more than beading on certain glass, and also ran off the window more effectively.  I can understand the water coming off the glass better as water looses its ability to hold itself together as it heats up, so running off the glass better.  I am not sure but think of the extremities ice and steam.  And it is common knowledge that you are more likely to see a spot on the window when a bead of water dries in as opposed to a window that sheets.

I did do a lot of experimenting with detergents in the summer particularly non ionic surfactants, and would be interested in what detergents you are successfully using.  I have came across some interesting findings, but had to put it on hold to get the hot system up and running, but hope to get back to it soon.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

Sounds like the same thing I looked into heat won’t always melt certain grease/oil etc

Combination of heated water the right detergent and scrubbing brush comes down to identifying the type of dirt and using the right detergent.

What will you use to apply the detergent if you get back to offering it as part of your kit? I found the small inline filters not very good

I was working on an additive that goes in the tank and mixes with the pure water.  Not for any particular contaminants on the glass, more to make the water do what I want it to do.

Peter

[mci services]

anyway peter any chance of a heater on tick

I am sure something could be arranged.

Peter

I wasn't being serious peter I will be buying one shortly, soon as I have the funds. It just seems a no brainer to me that hot is the way to go. I will get xmas out the road and be in touch. but thanks anyway always appreciated

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

To all those with hot WFP how much quicker on average would you say it is compared with cold.
Apart from being able to work in lower temperatures would you say it is worth the investment.

Cheers,

Andy.

It not quicker on regular maintenance cleans, that’s then marketing working from the manufacturers for you to assume that.

Heated water can be quicker on first cleans, but not always and it’s also useful to have for certain types of dirt, but you can use a detergent with cold water which is better than heated water alone anyway.

Look at the cleaning cycles on your washing machine, some won’t even use warm water, but they will use a detergent.
Depending on how you use heated water the question could also be how much longer does it take to clean.

This is for energy rating purposes you plonker   : :

[Matthew Bateman]

 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Entertaining though!

[Matthew Bateman]

You could say that 

[Matthew Bateman]

How many times can you be wrong winproclean

I’m talking about the water temp

[Matthew Bateman]

No Stu Mac I like your idea, I don’t think I will try it, DIY is not my thing

[Matthew Bateman]

Sounds like the same thing I looked into heat won’t always melt certain grease/oil etc

Combination of heated water the right detergent and scrubbing brush comes down to identifying the type of dirt and using the right detergent.

What will you use to apply the detergent if you get back to offering it as part of your kit? I found the small inline filters not very good

[Matthew Bateman]

Stu Mac please don’t alter my post