[traps7]

In answer to the original question; no I wouldn't employ someone with a criminal record.

Why take the chance? There's plenty of people without criminal records out there you could employ.

It's all very noble but just not worth taking a chance on the consequences. I also think you have to be realistic though. You're very unlikely to find someone highly educated who wants to be employed as a window cleaner.  Also peanuts and monkeys springs to mind.

Not that I've ever employed anyone mind. So what do I know!

[Gordon Saunders]

I would not discount somebody from employment purely on the basis of a criminal conviction. Although personally i would find it difficult to employ somebody with a conviction for violent crime .
 
  BTW  a CRB check will list all convictions and cautions regardless of any time limits so the idea of spent convictions seems a bit redundant these days

[mikecam]

  BTW  a CRB check will list all convictions and cautions regardless of any time limits so the idea of spent convictions seems a bit redundant these days

Not redundant at all. If you ask someone if they have a conviction and it is spent they are fully entitled to say they have no previous convictions.
 The CRB check is not an instantly available option to find out a persons history. You need good reason to have a CRB check, usually working with children,vunerable adults or other special security measures. I don't think window cleaning is one of the 'need to have a CRB check' jobs.
 Although in the OP's case it may beg the question...would anyone with an astute criminal mind work for someone like him !!! 

[s.w.c]

so all you stuck up lot your telling me you never made a mistake or just f**ked up. or you have and got away with it , so you can say you have never done anything,   cant quite see everyone is that squeaky clean, Ive made mistakes but i learnt by them, that's the main thing if the person learnt there lesson, there are a small few that never learn, that includes the so called squeaky clean lot

[alanwilson]

it wouldn't bother me if it was something I can envisage that I could have done at a point.

For instance - my best mate has a conviction for common assault, his ex was violent (I seen it with my own eyes many many times), she used to bite him, slap him, poured scalding hot water on his back - she was a nasty b1 tch - he's not the violent type and for whatever reason didn't want to leave her, but faced with her and the poker for the fire he did what I would have done, he walloped the cow, broke 3 of her teeth, lip and bit of bruising.


Now you tell me - would you employ him?

[Perfect Windows]

so all you stuck up lot your telling me you never made a mistake or just f**ked up. or you have and got away with it , so you can say you have never done anything,   cant quite see everyone is that squeaky clean, Ive made mistakes but i learnt by them, that's the main thing if the person learnt there lesson, there are a small few that never learn, that includes the so called squeaky clean lot

My argument is that my customers might not like having someone round the back of their house when they are out who isn't cleaner than clean.  My business pays my bills and feeds my kids.  Why should I risk my customers?

If I ran a busines where people were supervised, I'd have no problem at all employing someone with a criminal record. Our circumstances as w/c are different.

Vin

P.S. By the way, I can tell you honestly that I've never burgled anyone or thumped anyone or nicked a car or..., so it's not really a matter of "getting away with it", it's more a matter of never having done it.

[Gordon Saunders]

  BTW  a CRB check will list all convictions and cautions regardless of any time limits so the idea of spent convictions seems a bit redundant these days

Not redundant at all. If you ask someone if they have a conviction and it is spent they are fully entitled to say they have no previous convictions.
 The CRB check is not an instantly available option to find out a persons history. You need good reason to have a CRB check, usually working with children,vunerable adults or other special security measures. I don't think window cleaning is one of the 'need to have a CRB check' jobs.
 Although in the OP's case it may beg the question...would anyone with an astute criminal mind work for someone like him !!! 

 And nobody ever lies about criminal convictions when applying for a job do they.
 
There is nothing to stop a window cleaner requesting a CRB check when employing somebody as long as the forms are signed by the person being checked and the fee paid

[s.w.c]

P.S. By the way, I can tell you honestly that I've never burgled anyone or thumped anyone or nicked a car or..., so it's not really a matter of "getting away with it", it's more a matter of never having done it.

good for you, but those that you mentioned ain't just it, there are other ways that makes a person dishonest,
there are people who learnt by there past and want to put things right, so why don't they deserve a chance, but you got to be a good judge of character to spot them as there is some wrong-ens.

[JSMC]

anyone on here been less than truthful with the taxman?

[mikecam]

 And nobody ever lies about criminal convictions when applying for a job do they.
 
There is nothing to stop a window cleaner requesting a CRB check when employing somebody as long as the forms are signed by the person being checked and the fee paid

You're not understanding how this works very well. A window cleaner is not allowed to go CRB checking his potential employees, full stop. Its not lawful for him to do so.  As a window cleaner you would not get the information even if someone signed you a form to say you could have it. And anyone asking for such info with no right to will land themselves potentially in hot water.

[formb]

 And nobody ever lies about criminal convictions when applying for a job do they.
 
There is nothing to stop a window cleaner requesting a CRB check when employing somebody as long as the forms are signed by the person being checked and the fee paid

You're not understanding how this works very well. A window cleaner is not allowed to go CRB checking his potential employees, full stop. Its not lawful for him to do so.  As a window cleaner you would not get the information even if someone signed you a form to say you could have it. And anyone asking for such info with no right to will land themselves potentially in hot water.

.....carry on discriminating in that manner and they may even end up with a conviction themselves.

[JSMC]

 And nobody ever lies about criminal convictions when applying for a job do they.
 
There is nothing to stop a window cleaner requesting a CRB check when employing somebody as long as the forms are signed by the person being checked and the fee paid

You're not understanding how this works very well. A window cleaner is not allowed to go CRB checking his potential employees, full stop. Its not lawful for him to do so.  As a window cleaner you would not get the information even if someone signed you a form to say you could have it. And anyone asking for such info with no right to will land themselves potentially in hot water.

.....carry on discriminating in that manner and they may even end up with a conviction themselves.

karma LOL

[s.w.c]

put it this way i made some huge mistakes many years ago, but someone see through all that crap and gave me a job and a learnt the window cleaning i worked for him for 8 years, then i set out on my own now i got two children a house a mut and my own little business how my life changed all due to someone being kind and not a hipokrit , so I'm proof it works so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, OK Ive never stole but i did use violence drugs etc,  back then but look how things have change, all because someone gave me a chance, I'm proud of what Ive achieved and also aware without the help i wouldn't be here now.

[ant french]

it wouldn't bother me if it was something I can envisage that I could have done at a point.

For instance - my best mate has a conviction for common assault, his ex was violent (I seen it with my own eyes many many times), she used to bite him, slap him, poured scalding hot water on his back - she was a nasty b1 tch - he's not the violent type and for whatever reason didn't want to leave her, but faced with her and the poker for the fire he did what I would have done, he walloped the cow, broke 3 of her teeth, lip and bit of bruising.


Now you tell me - would you employ him?

yeh i would, self defence enit. to take just a woman biting me or hitting me would drive me mad

[sgibsoncleaning]

"put it this way i made some huge mistakes many years ago, but someone see through all that crap and gave me a job and a learnt the window cleaning i worked for him for 8 years, then i set out on my own now i got two children a house a mut and my own little business how my life changed all due to someone being kind and not a hipokrit , so I'm proof it works so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, OK Ive never stole but i did use violence drugs etc,  back then but look how things have change, all because someone gave me a chance, I'm proud of what Ive achieved and also aware without the help i wouldn't be here now."


well done mate.
shows that people can change but small minded people will always treat you the same.
a friend of mine did a naughty with his vat his business was failling new baby on the way. he was silly and he is the first to admit it. first offence 2 years, it has affected him for years with work he finaly got someone who believed in him and is now a top chef in london

[Klean07]

put it this way i made some huge mistakes many years ago, but someone see through all that crap and gave me a job and a learnt the window cleaning i worked for him for 8 years, then i set out on my own now i got two children a house a mut and my own little business how my life changed all due to someone being kind and not a hipokrit , so I'm proof it works so stick that in your pipe and smoke it, OK Ive never stole but i did use violence drugs etc,  back then but look how things have change, all because someone gave me a chance, I'm proud of what Ive achieved and also aware without the help i wouldn't be here now.

I'm with Smithy on this one. I too made some mistakes when I was younger. I was also given a similar chance as to what Smithy got. Working for for another wc then starting up on my own. I now have a good business and a good character record.

[ant french]

hey lads end of the day when we were younger we were all little Runts. if we wasnt somethings wrong. 

[richywilts]

iv been to jail does that mean u all look down on me on here, jail isnt just a place to punish criminals its a place where you go to rehabillitate and work on dealing with problems etc this cud be drink,anger,drugs etc if like me ya use ya time in jail to teach u about ur mistakes and come out and make a fresh start i think its good to give people a second chance, and for all those wondering what i done to go down i got cant dangerous driving in a ringered car 10days after being disqualified, im not a bad lad im actually one of the most honest lads u will meet but because iv got a criminal record from 5-6 yrs ago when i was 23-24 that still tars me as a bad person

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

hey richy yr a damm gud lad m8
 

[richywilts]

i know i am gav haha does me head in mate people can change people grow up, it only takes ya to fall in with a bad crowd