[David Kent @ KentKleen]

Peter, I WILL be purchasing one of your heaters! thankyou for finding and stocking a heater that we can all benefit from here in the uk.
Hope you dont get dis-heartened by all the digs/silly remarks.
Why do people complicate everything on this forum?
Keep up the good work! Your appreciated by 1 window cleaner at least!!

 

[Nathanael Jones]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

[Clive McDonald]

Nat

I don't want to go down the route mentioned above you of digs etc, but that's the problem to get the flow rate some would like (low) the ce mark wouldn't be available.

It's a contradiction.Of course i don't know the tech stuff, but i bet a high min flow is mandatory to meet stringent safety criteria- and which in turn would allow no modifications.

The eighteen minute thing is probably a silly yank idea, but oxygen depletion and flow will be basics.I expect the ce mark is quite expensive to get.

However as you point out you'd have though some figure or user feedback would have been mentioned.

[Nathanael Jones]

I have been assured by a manufacturer that the CE mark would be available on a unit that would be able to start with a 1 litre per minute flow rate.

Nat

I don't want to go down the route mentioned above you of digs etc, but that's the problem to get the flow rate some would like (low) the ce mark wouldn't be available.

It's a contradiction.Of course i don't know the tech stuff, but i bet a high min flow is mandatory to meet stringent safety criteria- and which in turn would allow no modifications.

The eighteen minute thing is probably a silly yank idea, but oxygen depletion and flow will be basics.I expect the ce mark is quite expensive to get.

However as you point out you'd have though some figure or user feedback would have been mentioned.

[Clive McDonald]

well i don't know everything. This was more an opinion.

[Nathanael Jones]

well i don't know everything. This was more an opinion.

Nearly everything tho,... don't sell yourself short.

[Peter Fogwill]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

[mci services]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

some window cleaners are under the illusion that a low flow rate will save water. so I suppose to them it is important. I think that is what nat is getting at

[Nathanael Jones]

Lots of ppl try to conserve water by using a lower flow rate, either because they don't have a vehicle big enough to carry enough water for a full day or simply to conserve resin. A heater that caters for their needs but will still work at higher flow rates would be fantastic.

A return to tank/bypass system wastes gas & increases running costs, so an true "on demand" heater is by far the best option.

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

some window cleaners are under the illusion that a low flow rate will save water. so I suppose to them it is important. I think that is what nat is getting at

No illusion STU, some user prefer a low flow rate & sometimes find it necessary on old sandstone buildings with rotten wooden frames etc - the last place you want water bouncing around!

[Ste M]

well ive just bought one, peter has answered all the questions i asked finally so i will stump up my cash and go from there, it will replace my L5 and then when Nats becomes available i will also get one of them so i will have the best of both worlds

[mci services]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

some window cleaners are under the illusion that a low flow rate will save water. so I suppose to them it is important. I think that is what nat is getting at

No illusion STU, some user prefer a low flow rate & sometimes find it necessary on old sandstone buildings with rotten wooden frames etc - the last place you want water bouncing around!

sorry i was being my usual sarcastic self, but the answer is the same there is a demand for a low flow rate

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

well ive just bought one, peter has answered all the questions i asked finally so i will stump up my cash and go from there, it will replace my L5 and then when Nats becomes available i will also get one of them so i will have the best of both worlds

This time next year you'll be able to open a market stall!!

[james44]

I find it strange that people who bought the aqua-daptor to save water then go and buy a heater with high flow rate

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

some window cleaners are under the illusion that a low flow rate will save water. so I suppose to them it is important. I think that is what nat is getting at

No illusion STU, some user prefer a low flow rate & sometimes find it necessary on old sandstone buildings with rotten wooden frames etc - the last place you want water bouncing around!

sorry i was being my usual sarcastic self, but the answer is the same there is a demand for a low flow rate

A ken

My desire for a low flow rate isn't to save any water, I don't clean top frames & so don't like water bouncing off the glass & splashing everywhere. I also find it less "messy", less pressure to be super-quick as you flood the place etc. etc.

[paul saunders]

I can see a sudden increase of L5's for sale on ebay soon. 

[Peter Fogwill]

There are only 2 reasons ppl would be interested in this heater over an L5:
1: The CE mark,.... but there are MANY, MANY heaters like this with CE marks available
2: The flow rate!! Check it Peter, its important!!!

Hi Nathanael,

Fllow rates were an option for me in the early stages and still is on my next batch, I didn't realise it was so important.  Could you explain to me why or what setup you use that would need such a slow flow rate??

Peter

some window cleaners are under the illusion that a low flow rate will save water. so I suppose to them it is important. I think that is what nat is getting at

I am confused.  I know what your saying Stu, and Nathanael I heard what you said a while back and done away with the 20 minute timer.  I still keep thinking the timer thing would not be a problem as people using my systems are turning the water on and off maybe 20 times in the 20 minutes.  And each time the water went back on, the 20 minutes would start again.  I realise though that people work in different ways whether I agree with them or not.

Would it not make more sense turning the flow rate up and working out a way to turn the water off when not needed??

Now don't take this the wrong way, I am not trying to tell you how to clean windows, just trying to get to the bottom of this.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

should someone who does not have the capacity to carry enough water for a days work on full flow be really worried about going 'hot'?
I have full flow from a 100psi flowjet with no flow controller and clean my customers windows.
NEVER and I mean NEVER have any problems!!!!
No pump probs, spotting, running out of water,
Cleaning windows with pure water CANT be done with a trickle of water.
I see a local company cleaning up to 10 houses with a 18 ltr backpack, know wonder i pick up so many of there upset customers. spots all over becoz of the lack of rinsing. Then they have the cheek to pull me up about taking 5 customers off them in 1 road (and i charge  60% more than them)

Peter Nat is the L5  King and has worked hard with the suppliers i believe to perfect it.
sorry for the rant but again WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLICATE everything ON THIS FORUM?

Can i have a list of the many other c.e heaters please?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

should someone who does not have the capacity to carry enough water for a days work on full flow be really worried about going 'hot'?
I have full flow from a 100psi flowjet with no flow controller and clean my customers windows.
NEVER and I mean NEVER have any problems!!!!
No pump probs, spotting, running out of water,
Cleaning windows with pure water CANT be done with a trickle of water.
I see a local company cleaning up to 10 houses with a 18 ltr backpack, know wonder i pick up so many of there upset customers. spots all over becoz of the lack of rinsing. Then they have the cheek to pull me up about taking 5 customers off them in 1 road (and i charge  60% more than them)

Peter Nat is the L5  King and has worked hard with the suppliers i believe to perfect it.
sorry for the rant but again WHY DO PEOPLE COMPLICATE everything ON THIS FORUM?

Can i have a list of the many other c.e heaters please?

Are you blind?

Look at my post for your answer :

[David Kent @ KentKleen]

I clean a listed building, sandstone frames with the original 18th century leaded glass! rinse on the glass on full flow 5.1 litre per min!
Customer loves her spotless windows, even gave me a lovely xmas tip.
come on lads its not rocket science!
Pure water(hot or cold) - pump - brush - rinse - get payed!