[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards

Winp

[dave0123]

If I used a tank that size it would last years.  We only need a small amount and I have went for a 10L one,

So on average how long would you say the 10l gas would last peter?

[Blue City Cleaning]

Peter does most of the work himself that's why it's understandable that he hasn't got time to answer e-mails but I'm sure if you phone him up he will be able to help you with anything. I went to see him couple weeks ago to ask very basic questions as I'm just starting with wfp and he explained everything in detail, showed how everything works, etc. I'm planning to go and see him next week again for a couple bits and bobs and place my order for a pump box.
I would very much recommend him and his products to everyone (No I don't work for him or have any profits by saying that)  

[Peter Fogwill]

i rang emailed and text at least 30 times, no really response.

and they were 495 on website so something cant be the same for them to be over half the price.

I would be interested as have not yet ordered the L5, (looking for alternatives) but I have read on here so many times how bad Peter is at answering emails and such that it puts me off.
Basicaly, if you buy from him you are on your own if you have problems.

I always answer my phone, and if a customer wants me for anything they know how to get me.  Sometimes at night, and even on a Sunday.  The HotWash is Guaranteed for a year along with all the parts.  Do you know anyone who has sent their L5 back to the USA to have it fixed under guarantee?  I wouldn't think so, I would guess they get thrown away and a new one bought.
 
Peter
www.window-tools.com

Thanks for the reply Peter.  I stand corrected

No Problem Jack and thanks for bringing it to my attention, this is something I will have to work on.  I have been on the Internet for many years and was one of the first window cleaners in the UK to have a website.  I still have the same email address that I had from the start and have accumulated a lot of spam emails, and if I don't get to my emails on a very regular basis I have far too many to get through and end up missing some.  I do rely on people just picking up the phone.  Like I said I will have to find a solution to the problem.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[Peter Fogwill]

If I used a tank that size it would last years.  We only need a small amount and I have went for a 10L one,

So on average how long would you say the 10l gas would last peter?

Sorry not got a clue, but if I had to guess then I would say a week per refill.  It only takes 8L at a time although it is a 10L tank.  It has an automatic safety shut off at 8L so as you can't overfill, the 2L space is left for expansion in extreme conditions.

It will last longer for people using triggers or Autobrush as it is only using gas when the water is coming out the brush.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[Peter Fogwill]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards
Winp

I don't know the answer to this one either, but I do know that the minimum psi is 3.6.  And I do know that it will work fine with the small backpack pumps at full flow.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[ian1972]

Is there any pics of system Peter?how much is delivery?cheers

[ronnie paton]

i myself am a little dissapointed, i have been keeping check and have spoke to  you on a few occasions and the date for them being available kept being put back i think it was originally 11 november.

i spoke tou you and you said email me so when they come in you can let us know, iv never recieved a email and all though i texted three times asking if they were ready i got one response 22 nov saying thety were in stock for a couple of days.

i text a couple of times after this with out response so i ordered a pure freedm system, i can understand you may be struggling but the lack of info and the mess about factor made me go else were.

i hope it does work has it will be a cheap option in the future but they way its gone is not a way i would like to run my business, please dont take this the wrong way just feel lack of information hasnt helped

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards
Winp

I don't know the answer to this one either, but I do know that the minimum psi is 3.6.  And I do know that it will work fine with the small backpack pumps at full flow.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

I would find out Peter. It is after all a "major" factor! & the only one stopping me buying it right now! Hot's no good to me if it only works blasting out of the jets! :

[dave0123]

Why don't you know?

Surely you have tested it before putting it on the market? or has someone else designed it

[ian1972]

How can u expect the man to tell u how long gas will last?does he no how often u going b using it how many custys u got?

[Peter Fogwill]

i myself am a little dissapointed, i have been keeping check and have spoke to  you on a few occasions and the date for them being available kept being put back i think it was originally 11 november.

i spoke tou you and you said email me so when they come in you can let us know, iv never recieved a email and all though i texted three times asking if they were ready i got one response 22 nov saying thety were in stock for a couple of days.

i text a couple of times after this with out response so i ordered a pure freedm system, i can understand you may be struggling but the lack of info and the mess about factor made me go else were.

i hope it does work has it will be a cheap option in the future but they way its gone is not a way i would like to run my business, please dont take this the wrong way just feel lack of information hasnt helped

Ronnie, the system is not ready yet and that is why I have not contacted you yet.  It is only the water heaters on it's own that is available.  No one that has left their contact details have been notified yet, and won't be until I have a definite day when they are ready to send out or fit.  

I could have been taking definite orders as there was a few people desperate to pay, but I wanted to make sure everything went to plan, or I would have been inundated with unhappy people.  All I could do was quote dates I was being given, but have learn-ed over the years that it doesn't always turn out to be true.  I have been let down quite a few times myself.
  
I have had a lot of work to do lately and probably mostly so as I wasn't letting anyone down, or trying to keep it to a minimum.  I wished you had just picked up the phone.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[dave0123]

How can u expect the man to tell u how long gas will last?does he no how often u going b using it how many custys u got?

Oh dont be stupid  : I said on average how long would it last? people using the L5 was saying around a month for 19kg bottle.

I was wondering how long a 10litre tank would last i dont no anything about LPG it could last a day? it could last a couple of months the was peter said a size of a car LPG tank would last ages not talking about accurite readings jesus just a rough measure. I imagine it would of been tested before being sold more than a couple of hours

[Peter Fogwill]

How can u expect the man to tell u how long gas will last?does he no how often u going b using it how many custys u got?

Good answer, depends on quite a few things.  Outside temperature, operating temperature, hours used in the day, length of time the heater is actually heating water in that hour.  I could have done a test with it constantly on at full power until a certain sized bottle run out, but even then I still wouldn't know the answer to your question.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[dave0123]

Good answer, depends on quite a few things.  Outside temperature, operating temperature, hours used in the day, length of time the heater is actually heating water in that hour.  I could have done a test with it constantly on at full power until a certain sized bottle run out, but even then I still wouldn't know the answer to your question.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

Fair enuf peter. But you dont know to u ask? i didnt know that was the case above and i dont know anything about using HOT either.

Just people no need to nock you for asking  : as thats what this forum is for isn it?

[dave0123]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards

My 'why dont you know' question was also refering to this question as i thought you would of knew that as part of the selling features thats all

[Peter Fogwill]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards
Winp

I don't know the answer to this one either, but I do know that the minimum psi is 3.6.  And I do know that it will work fine with the small backpack pumps at full flow.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

I would find out Peter. It is after all a "major" factor! & the only one stopping me buying it right now! Hot's no good to me if it only works blasting out of the jets! :

Will do, but I have a feeling it won't be much different to the L5.  I would think you would need a definite pressure or flow to actually light the heater.  With the heater lighting with water flow it would be too risky to have too low a flow in case it was to activate the burner with no flow at all.  I will find out though.

People who use backpacks can still preheat water into the backpack itself or even into a container.

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[lyndy]

Is this not the same as poseiden are doing right now?

[Peter Fogwill]

Hi Peter

The L5 seems to have problems keeping fired up unless you use a minimum of 2ltrs per minute flow rate.

How does your new heater compare on this issue? will it still run ok with a slower flow rate?

Regards

My 'why dont you know' question was also refering to this question as i thought you would of knew that as part of the selling features thats all

I suppose I have to cover all scenarios but to be honest I wouldn't dream of using a flow rate less than the heater would work at, and for this reason it never entered my head to do that particular test.

I do know that people use Sureflo backpacks at less than full speed, but didn't think people using a backpack would want to heat water on demand.  Like I said in the earlier post why not preheat it into a container?

Peter Fogwill
www.window-tools.com

[Peter Fogwill]

Is there any pics of system Peter?how much is delivery?cheers

I should have pictures next week, I have been held up with the weather here, not much coming in or going out.  Supposed to be back to normal by Tuesday.

Peter