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ianharper

Suction and air flow
« on: September 22, 2005, 09:30:39 am »
Hi Guys

Is it possable to link a machine that works on suction with a boster that was built for a machine that works on Air Flow?

Respect

Ian Harper

dave401uk

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #1 on: September 22, 2005, 09:58:59 am »
Ian, if you are talking about the eclipse, then yes you can, the diffidence to the amount of moisture on the carpet, when we tried this at the open day was very noticeable.

Dave
Its never a pass of the wand,just a master stroke.

Ed Valentine

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #2 on: September 22, 2005, 04:11:47 pm »
Ian;

The answer is simply, YES.

Good Fortune;
Ed Valentine

ianharper

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #3 on: September 23, 2005, 07:32:10 am »
Hi Guys

Thanks

What I dont get is the fact that a suction is based on suction power and thatair flow is based on the amount of air passing "through" the machine?

Respect

Ian Harper

Ian Gourlay

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #4 on: September 23, 2005, 07:44:59 am »
While we are on the subject.


Many of us have small starter machines.

Is it not possible to link these to the exhuast pipe of big brother?


If one dsid buy this boaster machine that looks pretty neat,

What would it do for me.?


Ie what are the benifits to me and my customer.


cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2005, 09:31:59 am »
hi ian, i hav two machines with two heavy duty  3stage vacs in each machine  which i hook up together  the diffrence is vast in drying times and will outdo the eclpise machine anyday     cheers gary

Chris Bailey

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #6 on: September 23, 2005, 10:12:27 am »
Gary

expensive booster...

chris
Carpet Care

Leicester

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2005, 10:29:20 am »
lol  ;D   hi chris it was just an old machine i had for years laid up in me shed so i thought i make use of it  works very well on a really bad clean   gary
p.s  y buy a booster for £500 just find a old second hand machine that way u also hav a backup if pump or something fails on main machine whilst injoying added vac power.

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2005, 01:05:04 pm »
Hi Gary

You need to see the booster vac to understand how it works, it is not just simply another machine connected in tandem. The booster is a though vac chamber, which allows the recovered solution to pass through the chamber and on to the main machine, as for out performing the eclipse by connecting 2 standard machines together!! I don't think so.  You would have two recovery chambers each reducing the amount of vacuum created, the larger the vac chamber the more power you  require to create the vacuum, you would also reduce the air flow and the air flow speed through each machine, this would mean that each machine would have a deterimental effect on the other, if you think in reverse its like trying to blow up two car tires with the air passing through the first to get to the second, bluntly put something would go bang.!!

Ian

There is no reason you cannot connect the booster to another portable, it would give you an increase in power, it shoul not however be connected to close to the main machine, I would suggest at least a 25 foot hose distance.
Hope this helps

Best regards Nick

Doug Holloway

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2005, 01:19:46 pm »
Gary,

I know you have mentioned linking two machines together and getting a super vacuum.

How do you do this , through some sort of connector?

I believe your machines are made by Cleancraft as is the Eclipse , do they reccomend linking to boost vacuum?

Cheers,

Doug

p.s I thought you were giving up CC


cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2005, 01:24:04 pm »
jhi nick dont know much about tec  but this really works on my two machines i hav two 10ft hoses out of each machine which are conected to a y pc  so they dont suck air from each other then my vac hose is connected to the end of y it is incredible diffrence     cheers gary

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2005, 01:27:51 pm »
hi doug i still do it part time as i hav a shop (to many good earners to let it go ) ;D    one is a ninja the other is a seahawk  which is a old cleancfrafte  machine formally sold by hydramaster in the uk  cheers gary

Doug Holloway

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2005, 01:46:20 pm »
Hi Gary,

Glad to see your still with us.

Do you find one machine will take more of the water or is it about 50:50.

Cheers,

Doug

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2005, 01:51:41 pm »
yes its very even doug  one has auto dump one is man  the ninja emptys first because of smaller tank, if u ever near braintree doing a job i show u    gary

Doug Holloway

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Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2005, 04:53:28 pm »
Gary ,

Interesting stuff I'll have to come and see one day.

I'm suprised no manufacturer has come up with a box which you could link two machines through , similar to the booster but without a vac.

What made you try the link up in the first place?

Cheers,

Doug

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #15 on: September 24, 2005, 07:14:06 am »
just messing around one day when i was bored lol   i done some test  with machine on its own and then with the two together  one of these was lifting a solid object up with one machine it couldnt but with two machine it stuck to it like glue   now i ant no tec head but surly this means its pulling alot more air ? with two machines on and u put wand on to a hard surface it will stick to it  but one machine want come near to sticking   also not only dos it leave carpets a lot dryer it really seems to clean better it most really suck the dirt out .    q for tec heads if my ninja has water lift of i think 230  and the other is 220  what would u say the water lift is whem linked together and how do u test this ? p.s doug  if memory serves me right ashby make an attactment for linking two machines ?    gary

ianharper

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2005, 08:03:00 am »
Hi guys

Am I right in thinking that a machine based on Air Folw will have an exhaust like a dry vac?

Respect

Ian Harper

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2005, 08:05:58 am »
hi ian they all hav other wise they blow up   gary

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2005, 02:29:27 pm »
Hi all

If the vacs in 2 connected machines are not balance then the weaker machine will reduce the power of the more powerful unit just because the machines are connected via a Y peice does not mean they don't effect each other. you now have two machines with twice the original size vac chamber therefore you factually have half the power. Each vacuum would become more efficiant as the chamber filled up and therfore reduced in size. You would reduce the efficiency of the weaker machine and most definately shorten the vac motor life due to the greater restriction of airflow through the turbine unit.

Best regards Nick

cleaning co

Re: Suction and air flow
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2005, 02:10:37 am »
 :o nick i respect your veiws as u no what u are talking about as regards tec   but  it works for my setup full stop ! it has not reduced the power it has increased big time fact !  i tested this on my own house i cleaned 8 carpets with one machine with atuo dump off  and auto fill off   next day i cleaned them again with everything turned of again but used same amount of water this resulted in a extra 2 buckets water  and a very happy missus  ;D  now if i used ashbys lid with two hose inlets which they make it would be even more dramtic results
regards gary
p.s there was also nearly 2 hour drying diffrecnce