[cozy]

 

[cozy]

Well he has a head start on you Ewan, you aren't a window cleaner yet.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

In 2006 I was worse than Mindeo man I was clapped out sierra man. It was that bad all my doors had gaffer tape to hide all the rust holes

You could afford gaffa tape?

You were lucky................. 15 of us livin in a shoe box in t'middle of the road..........................

You could afford a shoe box!!

[kate1]

Think best thing is just to calm down.

Best thing is to agree to disagree.  It will go on forever.

Just different aspirations and theories, circumstances without factoring in these questions, the subject is wide open to labelling everyone the same

[cozy]

Well I say shoe box, more of a damp newspaper really.

So you think blokes using cars are crap dolies too Ewan?

[mikecam]

I wasn’t talking about principals of business, I said purpose. If you’re going to stick with that view, stay with ladders and a car. It’s flawed because window cleaners using wfp make more money.


Answer to your ‘open question’ mikecam, not a trick question

Depends on the window cleaner but definitely the wfp system.

Can you tell me why, I have given you that answer?

I can't stay with ladders and a car i have a van kitted out with a WFP system. I do this to make my life safer, i very well know the earning difference between ladders and wfp.
 No i can't tell you why the cleaner with the WFP system earns more per 2k round than the ladder guy, its exactly the opposite to what i thought and knew anecdotally. You may care to explain? Also would you care to add which one of the WFP guys would earn the most from it, the 2.5k system or the 7k system ?

[erithwc]

kids are watchin a movie and want to know why im laughing   keep it up guys its quite funny

[cozy]

Ewan doesn't do direct answers Mike. He doesn't know the answer.

[Sunshine/Cleaning]

I wasn’t talking about principals of business, I said purpose. If you’re going to stick with that view, stay with ladders and a car. It’s flawed because window cleaners using wfp make more money.


Answer to your ‘open question’ mikecam, not a trick question

Depends on the window cleaner but definitely the wfp system.

Can you tell me why, I have given you that answer?

I can't stay with ladders and a car i have a van kitted out with a WFP system. I do this to make my life safer, i very well know the earning difference between ladders and wfp.
 No i can't tell you why the cleaner with the WFP system earns more per 2k round than the ladder guy, its exactly the opposite to what i thought and knew anecdotally. You may care to explain? Also would you care to add which one of the WFP guys would earn the most from it, the 2.5k system or the 7k system ?

The question was carefully asked, it revolved around earning £2k per month, the difference is with the outgoings!

[cozy]

From an outsiders point of view, from what I read, all I can establish is that you all work different methods, ways, vehicles, marketing, expansion.  None of which are to say is wrong.  Whatever works for everybody is fine, because we are all in diffferent situations, with different expectations.  It all depends ultimately where you end up, or want to take the business.  Do you want to make provisions now should you want to sell, if it were the case, then you would be having hindsight, thinking forward.  I think everybody has a separate level of what they want to achieve, and I think that should be respected

Very diplomatic answer Kate, but times move on and the old ways do become wrong or if you prefer outdated.

Making the mistakes and then correcting them looking for improvements and always keeping up to date is the least you should be doing.

Arguing the case for outdated methods, consistently looking for justification and support from the likeminded is for losers.

Window cleaning isn’t a guaranteed ticket for success, financial or otherwise its hard work, just like anything else it requires planning and thought. The easier alternative is to be a window cleaner, you know get yourself a bucket and ladder and go to work in the family car.

Good point Ewan. Why don't you take your own advice and actually take the plunge and start a window cleaning business. It's got to be better than working security at Sainsbury's

[kate1]

Nope I stand firmly by what I said

I have no clue as to what the situation is and the expectations of people on here.  We are all different, yes idealistically we would all want to be doing massive contract cleaning jobs, corporate image, but all that takes time.

Budgets, time and manpower factor into this.

Ultimately we would all like to be at that goal point.

Im diplomatic, because I dont know individual situations.  I dont know family circumstances, I dont know financial circumstances either, I dont know if anyone sets aside a budget for certain things.  Its a very open field

[mikecam]

Very diplomatic answer Kate, but times move on and the old ways do become wrong or if you prefer outdated.

Making the mistakes and then correcting them looking for improvements and always keeping up to date is the least you should be doing.

Arguing the case for outdated methods, consistently looking for justification and support from the likeminded is for losers.

Window cleaning isn’t a guaranteed ticket for success, financial or otherwise its hard work, just like anything else it requires planning and thought. The easier alternative is to be a window cleaner, you know get yourself a bucket and ladder and go to work in the family car.

You still havn't answered the question Ewan, who earns more per 2k round? And i'm not arguing for an out dated method just tell me simply who earns/pockets the largest amount of cash.
 The OP seems to measure his proffesionalism and input into the job by the amount of cash he's injected into the latest state of the art equiptment when me and you know that really theres a lot more to it than that. Thats if you don;t take any notice of advertising and marketing bumf.

[cozy]

Welcome to the virtual world of window cleaners. Anyone can post what they like. Hide whatever they like and claim to be as big, clever and successful as they like. Good 'ere, innit? Ewan just jumps into threads like this to promote the company he works for. He is the best kept secret in window cleaning. Try and find evidence of his firm or real situations he got into.

It's the pure snobbery that cracks me up. A 2 week wannabe windy with an attitude to his fellow WC's. You couldn't make this up.

[mikecam]

Nope I stand firmly by what I said

I have no clue as to what the situation is and the expectations of people on here.  We are all different, yes idealistically we would all want to be doing massive contract cleaning jobs, corporate image, but all that takes time.

Budgets, time and manpower factor into this.

Ultimately we would all like to be at that goal point.

Im diplomatic, because I dont know individual situations.  I dont know family circumstances, I dont know financial circumstances either, I dont know if anyone sets aside a budget for certain things.  Its a very open field

Hi Kate,
 did you ever do PR for Nu Labour at all in the past?!!!   

[mci services]

This is like soap opera for window cleaners

[kate1]

Yea Mike only on a Sunday

More interested in me Calendar though

[Paul-pp]

    I might be fairly new to this line of business - but have i now achieved the most posts on this forum for one subject ever or what!!!!

[cozy]

Er ..........no.

Apart from that, it's the reaction you got from the arrogance you showed in the first place. Shame we don't get to meet people face to face isn't it?

[kate1]

Crikey Mike have I just turned into Ms M

[mikecam]

Yea Mike only on a Sunday

More interested in me Calendar though

Youre ticking all my boxes Kate.
Less paperwork, more time with my family,able to access my business 24/7 and you'll help me expand it. I'm feeling lucky to have found you, they are all the things i wanna do !!!