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poleman

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2010, 01:30:20 am »
 the window cleaning company was fined £5,ooo!!!!

Jack Wallace

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2010, 07:10:51 am »

You don’t ever seem to hear about private householders being taken to court and fined yet ladder monkeys are often falling and injuring themselves on domestics.

If a few householders were fined it might make people sit up and think twice, There is an alternative to dangerous practices and it should be employed.

Ian W

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2010, 07:23:45 am »
As I have said before, it is statistically more dangerous on the road than climbing a ladder. Please stop going on about it folks, it's getting boring now...  ::)
Do all the good you can, and make as little fuss about it as possible.
Charles Dickens

woody1

Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2010, 07:45:55 am »
if we are ladder monkeys your girls that are scared of heights, and like playing with long poles alday ;D

andyjm1

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2010, 07:50:05 am »

You don’t ever seem to hear about private householders being taken to court and fined yet ladder monkeys are often falling and injuring themselves on domestics.

If a few householders were fined it might make people sit up and think twice, There is an alternative to dangerous practices and it should be employed.


The MHSW Regulations don't apply to domestic work in a private household.

andyjm1

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2010, 07:52:11 am »
As I have said before, it is statistically more dangerous on the road than climbing a ladder. Please stop going on about it folks, it's getting boring now...  ::)

Sounds interesting, have you got a link for those statistics please Ian?

Ian W

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2010, 07:56:12 am »
You will find all the info here.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/index.html
Do all the good you can, and make as little fuss about it as possible.
Charles Dickens

Jack Wallace

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2010, 08:02:42 am »
We all have to cross roads from time to time but we dont HAVE to climb ladders.

If you bring it into context which is more relavent here, what are the stats for falling of a pole?  ;D

andyjm1

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2010, 08:06:58 am »
You will find all the info here.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/index.html

Can't find anything about people falling off ladders.  :(

david willis

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 09:39:17 am »
the window cleaning company was fined £5,ooo!!!!

And that is just a direct cost

Think of how much it has cost them with in direct costs, would you now as a local business contract them to clean your property?

Direct fines only equate to around 10% of the overall costs following an accident.

david willis

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poleman

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2010, 02:53:23 pm »
time to ban the ladder monkeys and been done with it  :-X

AuRavelling79

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2010, 03:23:13 pm »
Thanks for the info poleman. I will use this in my conversations with potential customers.
It's a game of three halves!

Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2010, 04:00:05 pm »
Thanks for the info this is a really good document for commercial work:
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg368.pdf



JRDEasiReach

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2010, 04:12:16 pm »
Once again i think the customer should make the choice to have a water fed pole operator at their house.  The time is near lads.
JRD Easi Reach
'The Ladderless Window Cleaning System'

Ian W

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2010, 06:42:46 pm »
You will find all the info here.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/index.html

Can't find anything about people falling off ladders.  :(

Damn, they aren't there any more.  ???

The basic figures were something like 12 deaths a year from ladders and over 300 from road users. Or something like that...

I will see if I can find the proper study later.
Do all the good you can, and make as little fuss about it as possible.
Charles Dickens

Window Washers

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2010, 07:35:51 pm »
You will find all the info here.
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/index.html

Can't find anything about people falling off ladders.  :(

Damn, they aren't there any more.  ???

The basic figures were something like 12 deaths a year from ladders and over 300 from road users. Or something like that...

I will see if I can find the proper study later.
do you not think 12 dead poeple is enough ? ::) if it was your dad or brother would you think different ?

for day in day out use ladders imo should be minamised as there is no reason for it. I clean both trad and wfp and was trad years before switching, but I only go up a ladder for access never will I would on one all day as there is no need.
If your not willing to learn, No one can help you, If you are determined to learn, No one can stop you ;)

andyjm1

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Re: CLIENT JOINTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR WINDOW CLEANER SAFETY
« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2010, 09:00:04 pm »
You'd expect the figure for road deaths to be a lot higher because many more people use roads everyday compared to ladders.