[dazmond]

Im planning on having my usual b.o.b(2squeegee version for 14"/18" squeegees)/pouch/microfibres etc with a spray bottle with gg3/pure water hanging off my belt(no carrying bucket!)

i will wfp all upstairs windows when possible and get a little 5 step ladder for reaching over the odd kitchen extension with the pole.reachable bottom windows ill trad accept big conservatories and obviously ill wfp all big country houses/commercial jobs.

ill have 300 lts of water with me every morning and a small DI in the van for top up if needed(prob will on first cleans!).im hoping after all first cleans are out of the way and i hone my technique that 300 lts will last 5-6 hours most days.i will also have a backpack with me so 315lts every morning to take out.

my 50L trolley should last an hour or more after first cleans esp if im tradding some downstairs windows before i need to refill.

i have a lot of compact domestic work and i think this will suffice for now.

in a few years maybe ill upgrade to a bigger van and 500lt van mount but with buying a kangoo(payload 625) i dont want to push it with the weight limit!as ill have 3.5 metre ladders(mainly for my granny flats!)and a 8ft single pointer(for public area footpaths downstairs windows and the odd badly flakey/leaking leaded ones)

ill also be still carrying my unger trad pole just in case i need it for the odd job where wfp would be unsuitable)

does any of you work like this?

ive not decided on the poles yet!maybe one will do!30ft SLX and use it without one section for most of my work and just pop the extra on when needed.

ive no work over 30ft.

[mci services]

45% of my round is wfp up trad bottoms using the system you are talking about,
35% is all wfp
20% is still done trad and is mainly bungalows and bottom flats and shops

the 300 litres will last the 5 to 6 hours you need using this method

[dazmond]

thanks stu!im more into the idea that ill be ADDING wfp rather than replacing trad.then i have the best of both worlds!

ill be happy if after a few months im 10% faster than trad alone.the safety aspect and the piece of mind really appeal to me as well.16 years of ladders day in/day out! : : :

[groundhog]

I'm 100 percent wfp.. why make life hard for yourself Daz with trolleys and spray bottles etc? A van mount will do everything that you need and it will do it much faster than any other method of working. I would say that I am now working 75% faster than I was when I was trad!!

[Paul Coleman]

So one red sock and one black sock then? 

[dmlservices]

i'm 100% wfp, dont see the point using it upstairs only , much quicker and better to wfp the lot.


daz

[barry mallett]

tell you what dazmond just let us know what youve decided to do in 2 years time

[gary999]

I'm 100 percent wfp.. why make life hard for yourself Daz with trolleys and spray bottles etc? A van mount will do everything that you need and it will do it much faster than any other method of working. I would say that I am now working 75% faster than I was when I was trad!!

apart from a backpack

[jefftemperley]

cant understand that when the same advice is given by so many experienced wc that a van mount is the best option with a backback/trolley for odd awkward bits.

that the advice is still ignored.

myself and these guys have already done the learning curve of starting off with working practices similar to those you describe and we have all arrived at the same conclusion which is easiest and fastest.

Van mount ....van mount....van mount

if you dont go straight for it you will end up spending more in the long run when you realise through experience that we were right. then end up with redundant kit taking up space like us!!!!

[supernova77]

cant understand that when the same advice is given by so many experienced wc that a van mount is the best option with a backback/trolley for odd awkward bits.

that the advice is still ignored.

myself and these guys have already done the learning curve of starting off with working practices similar to those you describe and we have all arrived at the same conclusion which is easiest and fastest.

Van mount ....van mount....van mount

if you dont go straight for it you will end up spending more in the long run when you realise through experience that we were right. then end up with redundant kit taking up space like us!!!!

Well said big red one! 

[mci services]

cant understand that when the same advice is given by so many experienced wc that a van mount is the best option with a backback/trolley for odd awkward bits.

that the advice is still ignored.

myself and these guys have already done the learning curve of starting off with working practices similar to those you describe and we have all arrived at the same conclusion which is easiest and fastest.

Van mount ....van mount....van mount

if you dont go straight for it you will end up spending more in the long run when you realise through experience that we were right. then end up with redundant kit taking up space like us!!!!

because some disagree i have had a trolley and hated it so strapped it in the van and added a hose so it became a van mount and i still hated it, so i bought a tank and got a proper van mount and loved it, then i bought a back pack for awkward work and loved it. then i read from between the posts some guys that just used the backpacks or small trolleys, so i read post after post and i tried various combinations and i can make a small trolley work for me quicker than any van mount. and as an experienced trad i dont rule out doing bottoms just as quick trad.

but maybe i am wrong and your right, i just think people try things then get a van mount and wish they did it sooner and then the learning process stops as they think thats the best it can get.

[dazmond]

am i wrong in thinking with a trolley and backpack ill have ALL THREE!as the trolley can be used as a van mount for stand alones with extra hose?ill be very rarely humping trolley in and out of the back of van during my working day!ill be taking it out at 9am every morning and putting it back in at 4 most days!with 6 trips back to the van for refills(simply replacing 2 barrels).ill move van to where trolley is on my round,fill up.move on and so on and so on!

the time taken to refill trolley will only take a min!a bit of time pushing around.prob about the same as you lot unsnagging hose caught on that bloody car wheel,wheelie bin etc AGAIN,reeling in and out and gathering it all together.

ill have a lot less of a trip hazard and a car parking on my hose!less chance of draggin it through dog muck etc.no worries about hose across pavements/roads!

am i not makin sense lads for my particular nature of round??

[mci services]

am i wrong in thinking with a trolley and backpack ill have ALL THREE!as the trolley can be used as a van mount for stand alones with extra hose?ill be very rarely humping trolley in and out of the back of van during my working day!ill be taking it out at 9am every morning and putting it back in at 4 most days!with 6 trips back to the van for refills(simply replacing 2 barrels).ill move van to where trolley is on my round,fill up.move on and so on and so on!

the time taken to refill trolley will only take a min!a bit of time pushing around.prob about the same as you lot unsnagging hose caught on that bloody car wheel,wheelie bin etc AGAIN,reeling in and out and gathering it all together.

ill have a lot less of a trip hazard and a car parking on my hose!less chance of draggin it through dog muck etc.no worries about hose across pavements/roads!

am i not makin sense lads for my particular nature of round??

yes yes yes

but on the other hand you can drag 100m of hose and leave it unattended walk across roads spend time picking up flower pots wheelie bins and drag it from car tyres. but according to some this will be faster. and the whole reason for changing is safety and speed

[G Griffin]

 If using a 50l trolley I would definitely attach a hose reel. You may be a big lad but it will be heavy and difficult to manouvre.
  Either that or go for a backpack and keep filling up.
  The bottom line is YOU have to do it. People will advise you to use different methods on here but it`s up to you.
    I think you`ve already decided to go for the 50l trolley so there`s no point debating it. You could be right or you learn by your mistakes.  

[mci services]

sorry daz when i said yes yes yes i didnt mean you were wrong i think your bang on the money

50 l is heavy but you mentioned plonking in the two containers so what trolley are you going for ive lost track

[G Griffin]

sorry daz when i said yes yes yes i didnt mean you were wrong i think your bang on the money

50 l is heavy but you mentioned plonking in the two containers so what trolley are you going for ive lost track

  Pure Freedom. Do keep up Stu  .

[mci services]

sorry pete does one as well that the containers just slot in

its hard to keep up on about six different posts on the same question

[dazmond]

hi g griffin.i AM A BIG LAD!6ft 2in with big arms! ;Dno joke!!im sure ill will be fine with the trolley.i used to hump big wheelbarrows about with soil in full to the brim all day!!the pure freedom trolley looks well designed and dont forget as a lot of my work is house after house all next door to each other itll be gettin lighter and lighter as i work until i fill up again!! :

i really dont think itll be a problem and the advantages as stated above i think itll be worth it!!

best wishes

dazmond

[G Griffin]

hi g griffin.i AM A BIG LAD!6ft 2in with big arms! ;Dno joke!!im sure ill will be fine with the trolley.i used to hump big wheelbarrows about with soil in full to the brim all day!!the pure freedom trolley looks well designed and dont forget as a lot of my work is house after house all next door to each other itll be gettin lighter and lighter as i work until i fill up again!! :

i really dont think itll be a problem and the advantages as stated above i think itll be worth it!!

best wishes

dazmond

Ok mate, I must accept your final answer  . No more changing your mind...please  .
 Good luck with it all, let us know how it goes  . 
 

[mci services]

dazmond heres my advice stop asking for advice and go with your gut instinct and IF it doesnt work try something else. but trust me the first month no matter what you try will not go well but after that it will get better. then when you are having problems ask away and you will get specific answers to specific questions

my intro to wfp was five minutes demo from my brother who had a trailer system and five minutes looking at the trolley system his employee had. then i found forums after i had worked out most of my mistakes by myself the hard way