[dazmond]

i will g griffin and stu mac!thanks for everyones thoughts pro and cons!ill only find out by using the equipment day in/day out myself!

i must say im quite excited about this new way of cleaning and gettin off the ladders for the majority of my work!

i will let you know how it goes!going from my first day to completing first cleans then on to wfp 6 months on!

i really believe itll make a massive difference to my business over time and im willing to put the time ,effort and money into doing it.

one year on this forum has improved my attitude and business that beats all the 16 previous years in this game!

goodnight to all of you&sincere best wishes

dazmond

[Paul Coleman]

am i wrong in thinking with a trolley and backpack ill have ALL THREE!as the trolley can be used as a van mount for stand alones with extra hose?ill be very rarely humping trolley in and out of the back of van during my working day!ill be taking it out at 9am every morning and putting it back in at 4 most days!with 6 trips back to the van for refills(simply replacing 2 barrels).ill move van to where trolley is on my round,fill up.move on and so on and so on!

the time taken to refill trolley will only take a min!a bit of time pushing around.prob about the same as you lot unsnagging hose caught on that bloody car wheel,wheelie bin etc AGAIN,reeling in and out and gathering it all together.

ill have a lot less of a trip hazard and a car parking on my hose!less chance of draggin it through dog muck etc.no worries about hose across pavements/roads!

am i not makin sense lads for my particular nature of round??

Yes you are making sense.  The trick is to gradually make your round evolve so that the much faster van mount option is the best way.  It might sound a bit callous as it involves passing some jobs on or even dropping a few but I find that adapting the round to suit the fastest equioppment is more financially viable than using the equipment to do the fiddliest part of your round.  I do have a few jobs still where I carry a backpack along a walkway or an alley but they are much fewer in number than they were.  This is probably because I now price them in a manner that is appropriate to allow for the messing about (and consequently get turned down more).

[groundhog]

Ok this is my last post on this subject as it is getting boring, and trying to give Daz good advice is like banging your head against a brick wall!!! Lots of the experienced window cleaners on here, and certainly the more successful ones are all telling you to forget trolley/backpacks etc and get yourself some proper kit ie a van mount!! We just don't want you to make the mistakes that we all made when starting out, which was to go for a trolley or backpack instead of a superior van mount.

Look around when your out and about and see what other established wfp'ers are using... nearly all of them are using a van mount because it is the easiest and quickest way to work. Nobody that I know who purchased a trolley in the early days is still using it. They really are the worst piece of wfp equipment you can buy!! An example of this would be a certain Mr Williams who posts on here, about 6 years ago I believe he went out and purchased himself a 125ltr omni-trolley, he put it in the back of his van and filled it up, I don't think he ever managed to get it out again, he gave up and simply strapped it down and used it as a van mount, but what a wate of money and space, he could of got himself a tank that would have taken up less space yet held 5 times that amount of water at a fraction of the cost!! But we all made mistakes back then in the early days of wfp, but you don't have to, Go out with an experienced wc who uses a van mount and see for yourself how easy and efficient they are to use.

I know your probably not going to listen, but remember this advice in 6 months time when you are taking your trolley to the local dump!! 

[G Griffin]

 Someone (davids3511) has offered to let him have a go with both his backpack and van mount. I think he should take him up on the offer.
  All the deliberating and talk on here can`t prepare you for wfp. Experience is what counts, even just holding a pole, moving a backpack etc.

  Groundhog, I bet that was not your last post on this subject  .
  Ps. a reply to this does not count.

[groundhog]

Someone (davids3511) has offered to let him have a go with both his backpack and van mount. I think he should take him up on the offer.
  All the deliberating and talk on here can`t prepare you for wfp. Experience is what counts, even just holding a pole, moving a backpack etc.

  Groundhog, I bet that was not your last post on this subject  .
  Ps. a reply to this does not count.

OK, one last post to say that I agree with your post!!! And thats it... no more!!!! 

[G Griffin]

Someone (davids3511) has offered to let him have a go with both his backpack and van mount. I think he should take him up on the offer.
  All the deliberating and talk on here can`t prepare you for wfp. Experience is what counts, even just holding a pole, moving a backpack etc.

  Groundhog, I bet that was not your last post on this subject  .
  Ps. a reply to this does not count.

OK, one last post to say that I agree with your post!!! And thats it... no more!!!! 

I`ll be watching.

[groundhog]

 

[dazmond]

now groundhog i certainly wont be getting the 125lt trolley!now that would be mega heavy!!

i lug around(on the 2 big estates i have) at present( trad) a 3.5m trade ladder/18ft trad pole/rectangle bucket and rojak stopper all at the same time!!(i have very large hands!) to make my job as safe as possible.

i wont have to do that.ill have my modern day window cleaning cart.no ladders to climb.bliss!!

paul i know what you mean.i will automatically go for the bigger accounts that are more wfp friendly over time.

some of you think itll all be a big mistake and a waste of money!i can always get a tank at a later date and use it as a full van mount with option to use trolley here and there.so it wont be "a waste" as some of you say!

[Paul Coleman]

now groundhog i certainly wont be getting the 125lt trolley!now that would be mega heavy!!

i lug around(on the 2 big estates i have) at present( trad) a 3.5m trade ladder/18ft trad pole/rectangle bucket and rojak stopper all at the same time!!(i have very large hands!) to make my job as safe as possible.

i wont have to do that.ill have my modern day window cleaning cart.no ladders to climb.bliss!!

paul i know what you mean.i will automatically go for the bigger accounts that are more wfp friendly over time.

some of you think itll all be a big mistake and a waste of money!i can always get a tank at a later date and use it as a full van mount with option to use trolley here and there.so it wont be "a waste" as some of you say!

Dazmond.  It certainly won't be a waste whichever equipment you choose because you will still be working more safely than before and you will be getting practice with WFP for the time when you want to move up to the next level.  Both of those things are positive IMO.  Our hearts are in the right places.  We just want to help you make life a bit easier for yourself.  I have a 50 litre Omnitrolley classic that hasn't seen the light of day in a very long time.  I only keep it in case my van is off the road in the future so that I can use it as a mini van mount in a smaller van.  Probably needs a new battery by now.  It has two flat tyres (perished or punctured - I'm not sure).  However, with a new battery I could certainly earn money with it if I ever had to hire a small van for a couple of weeks.  Just hook up some microbore to it and away I go.  Along with some loose containers of water and a backpack for harder to access jobs it would work.  I would earn less than usual but I would earn.  So I wouldn't say they are all bad.  However, a stopgap is all I would use it for.

[groundhog]

Dazmond.   We just want to help you make life a bit easier for yourself.  I have a 50 litre Omnitrolley classic that hasn't seen the light of day in a very long time.  I only keep it in case my van is off the road in the future so that I can use it as a mini van mount in a smaller van.    It has two flat tyres (perished or punctured - I'm not sure).  However, with a new battery I could certainly earn money with it if I ever had to hire a small van for a couple of weeks.   I would earn less than usual.  So I wouldn't say they are all bad.  However, a stopgap is all I would use it for.

 

[G Griffin]

Dazmond.   We just want to help you make life a bit easier for yourself.  I have a 50 litre Omnitrolley classic that hasn't seen the light of day in a very long time.  I only keep it in case my van is off the road in the future so that I can use it as a mini van mount in a smaller van.    It has two flat tyres (perished or punctured - I'm not sure).  However, with a new battery I could certainly earn money with it if I ever had to hire a small van for a couple of weeks.   I would earn less than usual.  So I wouldn't say they are all bad.  However, a stopgap is all I would use it for.

 

Still watching 

[groundhog]

Still watching 

I never said a word!!!!! 

[Sean Dyer]

i will g griffin and stu mac!thanks for everyones thoughts pro and cons!ill only find out by using the equipment day in/day out myself!

i must say im quite excited about this new way of cleaning and gettin off the ladders for the majority of my work!

i will let you know how it goes!going from my first day to completing first cleans then on to wfp 6 months on!

i really believe itll make a massive difference to my business over time and im willing to put the time ,effort and money into doing it.

one year on this forum has improved my attitude and business that beats all the 16 previous years in this game!

goodnight to all of you&sincere best wishes

dazmond

Dazmond you are in manchester arent u?

When you are set up give us a shout i wouldnt mind seeing how youre getting on as im going the same route soon, ive been saying it for ages and i have got wfp and use it for some commercial but i havent yet taken the plunge on domestic for loads of reasons but i am doing in the next 12 months i will be fully 100 % wfp where possible.... So you will be a case study for me lol as my rounds sound the same as yours....

GOOD LUCK
sean