[Steve Sed]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

[Smudger]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

[Richard iSparkle]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

hey smudger!

the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again.  I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about.  Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for.  that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem...  they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything.  its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).

[Spruce]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

hey smudger!

the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again.  I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about.  Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for.   that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem...  they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything.  its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).

What advice did she give you?

[Steve Sed]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Better get queuing then as here is the link:

http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php

Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >

Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.

[Spruce]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Better get queuing then as here is the link:

http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php

Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >

Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.

No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox. 

[Steve Sed]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Better get queuing then as here is the link:

http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php

Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >

Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.

No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox.

Ah... ok. Somebody mentioned it was in an email yesterday & I put two & two together. What do you think of the Ionics system?

[Spruce]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Better get queuing then as here is the link:

http://www.ionicsystems.co.uk/en/hotbox.php

Where did you find the figures you quoted as the link in the email quotes Keep working with a HotBox for just £27.98 per week (3-year finance) more info & apply online >

Looks pretty good to me and something I would consider if static wasn't essential to me.

No no Steve. You've got the wrong company. They are talking about a complete system from Concept02 for 15000 on lease over 3 years, not Ionics hotbox.

Ah... ok. Somebody mentioned it was in an email yesterday & I put two & two together. What do you think of the Ionics system?

      I don't know anything about the hot box although the Webasto they use has an excellent track record in the trucking industry and a poor record in the marine leisure industry using red diesel as a fuel. I'm afraid Ionics wants too many personal details to get a catalogue, so if I don't give them the tat, then they don't give me the tit.  

I bought a used Webasto system about three years ago to instal in my van with a couple of heat exchangers - I still haven't got round to putting everything together in a neat box. It did work on an exploratory run I did 3 years ago with the stuff laid out on the drive way, but thats as far as its got.
I think the problem is that I'm looking for a better solution (not gas).

What I want to do is use a 20 litre calorifier the other way round, that is use the Wabesto to heat the water in the calorifier and pass the pump water through the heat exchanger inside the calorifier to heat the water on it's way to the brush head - but none of the calorifier manufacturers believe the internal heat exchangers (fancy name for some coiled copper tube) will zap the heat quickly enough to work.

The easiest way though is to connect the webasto up to the outlet of the van tank and an inlet at the top and let the Webasto heat all the water. It not efficient and I wouldn't want to raise the water temperature higher than 20 degrees for safety so it isn't the ideal idea either.

[Smudger]

Steve - Spruce has answered for me - you got the wrong end of the stick mate 

Richard - nothing wrong with a 1 stop shop - many companies went this way in the engineering trade and
are happy to pay through the nose for the simplicity of dealing with 1 company.
I'd be interested tho in what happens if you need to replace a part - and how far from concept you are if you
need to return to them for parts etc..

Darran

[Dave Willis]

I think I might go down the Concept route. The thing is there are just so many parts that could go wrong! At least three I would think.

[Spruce]

I think I might go down the Concept route. The thing is there are just so many parts that could go wrong! At least three I would think.

       I wonder how they would have sorted out your hose reel?

[Dave Willis]

Same way I did - hurl it up the road!

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Same way I did - hurl it up the road!

 

[Frankybadboy]

Same way I did - hurl it up the road!

the only problem with that was the hose was tied around your leg knowing you

[Richard iSparkle]

Steve - Spruce has answered for me - you got the wrong end of the stick mate 

Richard - nothing wrong with a 1 stop shop - many companies went this way in the engineering trade and
are happy to pay through the nose for the simplicity of dealing with 1 company.
I'd be interested tho in what happens if you need to replace a part - and how far from concept you are if you
need to return to them for parts etc..

Darran

Hey Darren,

We had some problems at the start with the hotwash and Concept 2O were happy to send replacement parts if they were straightforward to replace, or were happy to do the work themselves.  They are based in Cardiff so the journey for me is OK.  However whenever I go down I get a lot of advice and training as Julie and Carl spend time with me discussing any issues I have in the business.

[Richard iSparkle]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

hey smudger!

the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again.  I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about.  Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for.   that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem...  they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything.  its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).

What advice did she give you?

she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point.  then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears

[Spruce]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

hey smudger!

the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again.  I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about.  Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for.   that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem...  they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything.  its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).

What advice did she give you?

she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point.  then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears

Okay, most good pumps will last that long. If it gets noisy, runs slower, gets hot, stops running even when it has power - just replace with a new one. That's not complicated. It truely isn't worth the labour or cost of parts to fix them. A shurflo pump is £75.00 through good, well known suppliers. I bought one as a spare a little while back. One of ours still operating has been in service nearly 8 years.

WFP equipment isn't rocket science - its very simple stuff.

[KS Cleaning]

Where does £12k come from? It is £4,415 over 3 years for 9kw or £3,685 for 3kw. Where's the rolly eyes?

erm don't think so £3,900 dep + 58 odd per WEEK for 3 yrs !! if it was the reasonable 4.5K then we would be
queing outside concepts door!

Richard - i understand you love concept and the franchise has worked wonders for you - but i suspect that in truth you are
the sort of guy that could have made it work whichever system you brought the system used is nothing compared to
the drive and determination of the user - (and just think how much bigger/better your biz could have been when spending only 3 or 4k rather than 15 !!!)

But out of interest Richard this pump problem you had - did you have to replace/fix it yourself ? or for all the service you receive from concept they sent over a qualified engineer ?
I'm in Norfolk and if i had a concecpt system i'd expect them to come service and repair it - otherwise it may as well be DIY

Darran

hey smudger!

the pump wasn't working correctly for 5-10 min, but then started working again.  I wanted to speak to Julie to see if this was a warning sign of something was about to go wrong, or if it was nothing to worry about.  Julie gave me some info about what i could expect in terms of normal lifespan, and then what to look out for.   that's the reason i like using companies who set up whole systems because if i have any problem...  they know their equipment, the manufacturers, the setup, they installed everything.  its a one stop shop for me, and they are great at support for the system (and of course for me for the business side of things too).

What advice did she give you?

she was saying the expected lifespan for this type of pump is 3 -4 years so that you wouldnt expect any terminal problems at this point.  then she discussed what problems and possible solutions I may get in the future as it wears

Aye,that sounds just like Julie,full of waffle.