No it’s not mate.

No one is paying that much tax to cover the grants they are receiving.

So it’s not your money. It’s borrowed money.

Socialism never works, ever. Never has, never will. It’s a flawed concept for dreamers.

Thankfully there aren’t many socialist nutters like you about. That was proven by corbyns massive defeat.

Show me a socialist country and I’ll show you poverty.

Don’t go claiming the Nordic model is socialist by the way, bevsuse it absolutely isn’t.

When I visited Ukraine last December, the locals were utterly shocked to hear that people like you exist in the U.K. They just could not believe people in the U.K. even begin to entertain the idea of socialism. They know all too well how disastrous it is.

If it was your money, the government wouldn’t be in debt. Your tax doesn’t even cover the street sweeper and light outside your house. Let alone a £7k grant.

We use Gardiner SLX 30 Poles for everything, but we also have an ionic Hydra Plus pole 35, very good pole very stiff and coated so no black hands.

There is cheaper ones they are Chinese and they are not by a long way as reliable the Webasto ones I think all in are around 280.

Lighter and stiffer ? I have never owned one but did try them at the show and found them much heavier like for  like with gardiners , there champ levers are very delicate I broke one trying the pole out Ruben was highly embarrassed after saying they were the most robust poles  on the market 😂😂😂😂

Well I have both Glyder plus and a gardiner slx, there’s no doubt the glyder is lighter and stiffer.

The clamps, yes they’re not very good. They’re about 7 or 8 years behind gardiner clamps which are superb.

I broke one trying the pole out Ruben was highly embarrassed after saying they were the most robust poles  on the market

Lol! Wish I’d seen that.

Quote from: Pete Thompson on Yesterday at 10:07:50 pm

I use Glyder and Glyder plus all the time. Good poles.

Lighter and stiffer than gardiners, and that’s what matters to me. The downsides are they are not as hard-wearing, so require some gentler handling. (So perhaps not the best pole for employees).

As with everything, it’s a trade off. If you want light weight, you sacrifice hard wearing-ness.

Also the clamps are not as good. Gardiner clamps are superb in my opinion, nobody has better ones.

Lighter and stiffer ? I have never owned one but did try them at the show and found them much heavier like for  like with gardiners , there champ levers are very delicate I broke one trying the pole out Ruben was highly embarrassed after saying they were the most robust poles  on the market 😂😂😂😂

I've just recently bought an SLX-35 which I'm very pleased with.
I might just keep the Ionics Poles as spare.