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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: GB Window Cleaning on October 01, 2009, 02:18:59 pm
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hello fellow window cleaners.
I am just starting out and i am using trad methods and was wondering if anyone can clean frames and sills with a trad pole? i was thinking of maybe using a fixiclamp with a sponge/scrim or using a w.f.p sill brush on a trad pole!
Aslo can you remove paint and other nasty hard to remove stuff from glass, frames and sills with a trad pole?
Many thanks in advance.
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Hi and welcome(although maybe not my place to welcome you as I just through the door myself ;D)
I'm sure you could clean most things with a trad pole, it just takes practice to get good at doing so. As for getting paint and such like off you can fit an Unger scraper onto a pole and scrape.
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wet the window furst
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Dont listen to Tomy, he thinks he's a comedian.
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Make sure you pull up at the right house ;D
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If I was doing frames there is no way I would use a trad pole upstairs - it'll take ages. Think about what you'd actually have to do.
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wet the window furst
tomy is right ,if you use a scraper
make sure you wet the window, other wise it will be very expensive :'(
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so what do yall recon to my ideas? :)
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so what do yall recon to my ideas? :)
Not good TBH - if you use a wfp brush that is wet but not flowing with water it will literally mix the water with the dirt and re-arrange it. It will look pants.
Why not go wfp trolley/backpack out of your car if cost is an issue?
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i dont see the difference between being on ladders wiping frames with wet cloth to doing it with wet w.f.p brush on trad pole, as long as you wash the brush periodically!?!? :-\
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i'd really like to hear from permanent trad pole users! what do you recon?
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boy, have you got a lot to learn!! ;D
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im a 31 year old man mate so please dont talk to me like that old man! second i use trad and ladders like my dad did for 25 years! so if you havnt got any good input then dont answer my questions please! >:(
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oh and third your a pr!ck!
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any permanent trad pole users got anything constructive to say?
unlike bbdl who thinks he's efing ace cos he knows everything!
p.s if you think there is no such thing as perm trad pole users google wagga and his modded trad pole wagtail!
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oh and third your a pr!ck!
Thats not nice is it.
If you're ladders and trad, why are you wanting to clean upper floor windows with a trad pole?
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I have tried a pole but you cannot see if its clean so I get up the ladder and clean with a dry brush first then a wet cloth.I even brush glass and frames with a handled floor brush and then clean with a squeege if they are very durty, save my microfibre clothes.
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oh, and grow up, you're 31 for crying out loud. ::)
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im not nice when people are not nice to me pal! i dont suffer fools lightly mate!
and one word should answer your question...safety!
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Easy GB, the guys are only trying to offer advice
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what has growing up got to do with not liking pr!cks?
and teri... if thats advise id rather not hear it mate!
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Mate dont lol about the rite house .When I first started I got through 3/4 of a house and the onwer came out and asked what happened to his windy and did I have the rite house .Turned out I was to clean next door, Ass Hole ME!!!!
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I have tried a pole but you cannot see if its clean so I get up the ladder and clean with a dry brush first then a wet cloth.I even brush glass and frames with a handled floor brush and then clean with a squeege if they are very durty, save my microfibre clothes.
okay man...thanks for the input.
anybody else?
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Mate dont lol about the rite house .When I first started I got through 3/4 of a house and the onwer came out and asked what happened to his windy and did I have the rite house .Turned out I was to clean next door, Ass Hole ME!!!!
oh man i could imagine myself doing that!... funny stuff.
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G B I have use the car washing brush they use on a watering hose on first cleans but it took to much time and customes cannot see the differance,(Its is a sill brush)
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G B I have use the car washing brush they use on a watering hose on first cleans but it took to much time and customes cannot see the differance,(Its is a sill brush)
Oh right...okay... well... when ive done frames and sills with trad pole (because there over a con roof usually or its too windy)
i just use my applicator. and it works well but takes time so i still cant help thinking a brush head would be better. but i'll have to try it asuppose for myself!
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u can use a sponge in a fixi clamp then go over with a microfibre.if their not too bad u could just use more water on ur t mop when ur cleaning the window and detail the frames and sills with a dry microfibre/scrim.but if they are really bad ur better of gettin up the ladder with cif and them sponge/scourers and charge a good price. ;Di think WFP is the way to go if u dont want to go up the ladders and get quicker when u can afford it
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u can use a sponge in a fixi clamp then go over with a microfibre.if their not too bad u could just use more water on ur t mop when ur cleaning the window and detail the frames and sills with a dry microfibre/scrim.but if they are really bad ur better of gettin up the ladder with cif and them sponge/scourers and charge a good price. ;Di think WFP is the way to go if u dont want to go up the ladders and get quicker when u can afford it
Thankyou very much dazmond. thats some sound advice! by the way what do you think to my W.f.p brush on a trad pole to wash frames/sills then fixi-clamp and scrim dry afterwards idea? :)
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i suppose its up to u GB.sounds like a lot of faffing around and would just eat into ur working day and waste time.ok maybe on well priced one off jobs but not on ur regular round.u want to be fairly fast and economical without skimping on a good job.like i said if u want to inclu frames and sills every time and want speed i think WFP has gotta be the best option.
best wishes dazmond
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thanks for all the advice dazmond.. i'll sleep on it tonight. over and out.
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Got to be either ladders or wfp.
Gerry.
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ive just seen an ettore trad pole brush for sale in my local w.c supplies store!
has anyone got one and are they any good for doing 1st floor demestic frames and sills?
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I use a Harris pole with Wagtail on for windows over conservatory, then take the Wagtail off and detail with a m/f cloth held on with elastic bands that I keep round the end of the pole so they're handy. The change the cloth to wipe the sill.
BUT, I'd never do other windows with a trad pole, you just can't detail properly and you're not close enough to see the job.
For me it's trad/ladders or switch to wfp.
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I use a Harris pole with Wagtail on for windows over conservatory, then take the Wagtail off and detail with a m/f cloth held on with elastic bands that I keep round the end of the pole so they're handy. The change the cloth to wipe the sill.
BUT, I'd never do other windows with a trad pole, you just can't detail properly and you're not close enough to see the job.
For me it's trad/ladders or switch to wfp.
so let me get this straight... with a trad pole your not close enought to see the job but with a w.f.p you are?
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I use a Harris pole with Wagtail on for windows over conservatory, then take the Wagtail off and detail with a m/f cloth held on with elastic bands that I keep round the end of the pole so they're handy. The change the cloth to wipe the sill.
BUT, I'd never do other windows with a trad pole, you just can't detail properly and you're not close enough to see the job.
For me it's trad/ladders or switch to wfp.
so let me get this straight... with a trad pole your not close enought to see the job but with a w.f.p you are?
It`s to do with a lot more water flowing through the brush.Have a look at the videos on the Wagtail technique thread
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It`s to do with a lot more water flowing through the brush.Have a look at the videos on the Wagtail technique thread
sorry im not clear on the point your trying to make! sorry for being dumb! hehehe
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Sorry, it was a rushed post.
You`re never going to see what you`re doing using either pole, as well as you can on the ground. The advantage of wfp is the volume of water you use. It gives you more cleaning power although you can`t see as clearly as you`d like.
I mentioned the Wagtail thread as I thought it might interest you if you`re looking at trad poles for 1st floor. Or is is just frames and sills you are asking about?
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Sorry, it was a rushed post.
You`re never going to see what you`re doing using either pole, as well as you can on the ground. The advantage of wfp is the volume of water you use. It gives you more cleaning power although you can`t see as clearly as you`d like.
I mentioned the Wagtail thread as I thought it might interest you if you`re looking at trad poles for 1st floor. Or is is just frames and sills you are asking about?
yeah ive seen "wagga" using his trad pole and im amazed! he's the king of trad pole using his modified wagtail!
but yeah, i was really talking about frames and sills using trad pole!
i found a trad pole brush tool the other day! thought that looks perfect for 1st floor trad pole frame and sill cleaning?!?!
p.s my girlfriend thinks im a sad little boring pr!ck :D
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your girlfreind obvously knows you better then we do, but back to the thread how many custies have you got i carry a pole for the odd window but would be far to slow never tried a wagtail but i will when its icy and i cant use the ladder harf the windows cleaned a day will be better than none.
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Are you going to glass,frames and sills? And is it a regular thing?
If so, its got to be ladders or wfp unless for some reason you can`t use either.
Tell us a bit more about your plans.
Ps. my girlfriend thinks I`m sad and boring with a little pr :-Xck
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your girlfreind obvously knows you better then we do, but back to the thread how many custies have you got i carry a pole for the odd window but would be far to slow never tried a wagtail but i will when its icy and i cant use the ladder harf the windows cleaned a day will be better than none.
im the same as you only using trad pole for odd window! but im interested in talking to people who use trad all ( or at least most) of the time!
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Are you going to glass,frames and sills? And is it a regular thing?
If so, its got to be ladders or wfp unless for some reason you can`t use either.
Tell us a bit more about your plans.
Ps. my girlfriend thinks I`m sad and boring with a little pr :-Xck
my planes are to do what "wagga" does with his trad pole plus also do frames and sills
P.s ive just caught my girlfriend loosening the rungs on my ladder hehehe
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Could be tricky that. Especially first cleans.
Good luck with it though.
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is there anyone on here uses and rates the wagtail flipper ?
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Got a flipper but rarely use it. Got the orbital squeegee and use it occassionally. The flipper is the orbital with a bit of a pad attached, not very well either. And when I say pad, its more like one of Sooty`s limbs ::).
Having said that, a lot swear by them and I can see their usefulness on frequent cleans and pole work.
But for most of my work the pad just isn`t up to it and I`m not mauling about making a new one :P. Shouldn`t have to for the money.
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I use a Harris pole with Wagtail on for windows over conservatory, then take the Wagtail off and detail with a m/f cloth held on with elastic bands that I keep round the end of the pole so they're handy. The change the cloth to wipe the sill.
BUT, I'd never do other windows with a trad pole, you just can't detail properly and you're not close enough to see the job.
For me it's trad/ladders or switch to wfp.
so let me get this straight... with a trad pole your not close enought to see the job but with a w.f.p you are?
Yes, wfp is a completely different cleaning method. With trad methods it's better to be close to the window to check for water marks, scrim or m/f marks and streaks. With wfp it doesn't matter if you're 1 foot away or 100 feet away, you're still doing the same thing and being closer wouldn't change anything with that method.
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thanks for all your input people....just bought a w.f.p trolley system today so problems solved!
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thanks for all your input people....just bought a w.f.p trolley system today so problems solved!
I think you did the right thing for what you were aiming to do.
Let us know how it goes please.
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is there anyone on here uses and rates the wagtail flipper ?
i use the 18 inch flipper as my main squeegee ,and the 12 &14 inch ride in my bucket to be used on smaller windows. the 18 at first made my arm ache ,as i made the mistake of fitting a heavier pad-eventually i found a light one (a balcony floor pad, in LIDLs ).
iv a 5 section fishing pole that i use at 9 metres, with the 14 incher , the 18 is too heavy and not easy to flip at that height. i never try to wipe the sill at that height but i do wipe the frame and the top rail. i use the wagtail angle arm ,and if the sill is very deep set i use 2 angle arms back-to-back .
when iv spare time im going to rig up a detailer as Wagga has done as its a drag bringing down the pole to then put scrim on it .
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when iv spare time im going to rig up a detailer as Wagga has done as its a drag bringing down the pole to then put scrim on it .
not sure what you mean i know the detailings the hard bit is there an attachment for your scrim on a wagtail ?
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when iv spare time im going to rig up a detailer as Wagga has done as its a drag bringing down the pole to then put scrim on it .
not sure what you mean i know the detailings the hard bit is there an attachment for your scrim on a wagtail ?
Waggas added a bentup bit of metal on the back of his wagtail ,the bit of cloth fixes to it . this saves droppping the pole to the ground to put on a srim/ im definitely going to add this metal bit to mine too maybe i will use plastic ,case i break a window!
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Johnny your mate looks to be struggling with his wagga
(http://www.jonnywindows.co.uk/0_0_0_0_250_140_csupload_12253876_large.jpg?u=633877197942161250)
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use a unger scraper wet window first mate or you will verbals from t customer
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matt
me missus wants to know wat ya wearing in ya picture