Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: dave allen on October 15, 2008, 09:57:24 pm
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if we need to seal the floor of our vans to protect from pure water leakages,are pure water systems suitable for cleaning cars?whilst im on the subject, what do you advise to coat van floors-perhaps marine paint?any ideas of where to purchase and cost, cheers dave a
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Yes it can damage over time if the paintwork is chipped and it ruins chrome badges on vehicles.
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Use protecta-cote on the floor lining
www.cleaningspot.co.uk/acatalog/van_bedliner.html
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I would never use pure water on my car just incase and even if it was ok might take some of the polish off.
My car gets washed and polished by hand with proper car shampoo and polish
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Alot of car dealers use pure water now to wash the cars!
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Not as pure as you think.
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use it on van... and car every week
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yep, i was just reading some information this about 45mins ago and it does clearly state that pure water is "very aggressive" and will make the rust process greatly accelerated on anything metalic. I was shocked to be honest but after i gave it a little thaught it did make scense.
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yep, i was just reading some information this about 45mins ago and it does clearly state that pure water is "very aggressive" and will make the rust process greatly accelerated on anything metalic. I was shocked to be honest but after i gave it a little thaught it did make scense.
Have you checked the TDS of rainwater? I've found it to be around 3 to 7 PPM; so almost zero TDS.
So pure water can't be any more 'aggressive' than rain water.
Not only that, I always use pure water to rinse my car after using a liquid shampoo and wax, and it always comes up great.
And this 'aggressive' is just sales-patter.
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i was gonna mention rain, and why would water that has lost some mineral content be all of a sudden more ferocious :)
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i was gonna mention rain, and why would water that has lost some mineral content be all of a sudden more ferocious :)
I'm not sure how pure water was originally described as 'aggressive' I think it was in some leaflet a window cleaner used to inform his customers how his WFP system worked; or it could be from the Ionics training course.
But it's just a metaphor for saying that pure water has good cleaning abilities.
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can pure water damage cars
yes, fill up a 25 L barrel
climb ladder with barrel ( now be carefull with this, its heavy )
throw barrel at roof of car
result, big massive dent in car roof
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can pure water damage cars
yes, fill up a 25 L barrel
climb ladder with barrel ( now be carefull with this, its heavy )
throw barrel at roof of car
result, big massive dent in car roof
hehe, what are you doing on ladders though they are banned, get rid of them now they are useless :)
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if we need to seal the floor of our vans to protect from pure water leakages,are pure water systems suitable for cleaning cars?
Oh, and any moisture, whether it be pure water, rain water, or tap water wouldn't be good for the floor of your van, especially in Winter when it'll stay wet pretty-much permenantly.
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If your lacquer top layer on your car is not good, don't rinse with pure water, I did, and it left little specs on the entire van lol.
I need to t-cut the thing really, colour has faded.
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If your lacquer top layer on your car is not good, don't rinse with pure water, I did, and it left little specs on the entire van lol.
I need to t-cut the thing really, colour has faded.
Pure water will fade your paint in the first place.
Once the polish is taken off the sun and rain will flatten the finish.
Obviously you'll get away with it on metallics.
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Di water damages metal big time. my mate is manger of a distillery and the guys who make the tanks told me it is rotting the tanks quicker than normal tap water.
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If your lacquer top layer on your car is not good, don't rinse with pure water, I did, and it left little specs on the entire van lol.
I need to t-cut the thing really, colour has faded.
Pure water will fade your paint in the first place.
Once the polish is taken off the sun and rain will flatten the finish.
Obviously you'll get away with it on metallics.
Rubbish. Professional car valeters with posh vans use pure water. Fact.
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Di water damages metal big time. my mate is manger of a distillery and the guys who make the tanks told me it is rotting the tanks quicker than normal tap water.
That`s correct,Tosh i clean my van with pure water and the badges are rotting.
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What's the science behind why DI water rots metal quicker than regular water then?
I use it to do my car and it doesn't seem to have affected the chrome-work yet.
YET, being the operative word.
Maybe I haven't done it enough times.
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Di water damages metal big time. my mate is manger of a distillery and the guys who make the tanks told me it is rotting the tanks quicker than normal tap water.
That`s correct,Tosh i clean my van with pure water and the badges are rotting.
Where's your control experiment?
What makes you sure that it's the pure water? Could it not be the rain and damp in general?
What do you mean by 'your badges are rotting?'
I'm an ex-boy scout, and rain water never affected my badges for naming the different parts of a knife, etc.
For you to state this as fact, you need to have a van that's...
Sigh, I can't be bothered.
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Yes I can be bothered:
Read this:
A recent use of purified water is that of a final rinse in some car washes where, because it contains no dissolved solutes, the car dries without leaving any spots.
From the Wikipedia link:
ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distilled_water
So I'm right! Nah, nah, ner, ner, nah!
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Sigh, this old chestnut!
Why do people keep thinking that pure water is aggressive? Where is the 'real' proof...rather than purely anecdotal?
For window cleaning purposes we measure water purity in parts per million, do you really think that the difference between rain water at 0.004 ppm and the stuff we use at 0.000ppm suddenly turns it into a ravening metal rusting, paint destroying fluid??
In laboratories our so called purified water isn't considered pure at all, they measure it in parts per billion rather than parts per million, so that stuff is what...a thousand times purer!!! And not just a tiny bit purer than rain water!
As Tosh has said, calling our water more aggressive is just a sales pitch.
The stuff can't 'rust' containers any faster than normal tap water, for rust to occur it has to have air for the metal to 'oxidize', keep the container full of water and it will not rust/oxidize, except around the fill level where are air and water combine.
Ian
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well that certainly raised a debate! Gonna coat the floor of van anyway whilst its empty of everything,dont suppose it'll rust away in my life time anyway!Cheers Dave A
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If your lacquer top layer on your car is not good, don't rinse with pure water, I did, and it left little specs on the entire van lol.
I need to t-cut the thing really, colour has faded.
Pure water will fade your paint in the first place.
Once the polish is taken off the sun and rain will flatten the finish.
Obviously you'll get away with it on metallics.
Rubbish. Professional car valeters with posh vans use pure water. Fact.
Rubbish to you then Mr.Uninformed. ::)
Yes, they wash the car with it, THEN POLISH IT!
That's what valeters do...
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When I have changed my resin colum, I have strained the resin through a good scrim, so that the water drains out.
I have left it to drain some times and forgot it for 4wks by then the scrim has totaly disintergrated, as if eaton by battery acid.
Roy
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That link you posted tosh is great.
One thing that caught my eye on that web page was on the section Drinking Purified Water
It says
making DI water perfectly fine to drink
Now i have seen load of times on these forums that you can't drink water once it has been through the D/I
Obviously you can
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That link you posted tosh is great.
One thing that caught my eye on that web page was on the section Drinking Purified Water
It says
making DI water perfectly fine to drink
Now i have seen load of times on these forums that you can't drink water once it has been through the D/I
Obviously you can
You've got different grades of DI resin, some are suitable for the food market, some aren't made for that, so I definitely wouldn't drink them.
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I didn't realise that i thought resin was resin.
I best leave it alone then ;D
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When I have changed my resin colum, I have strained the resin through a good scrim, so that the water drains out.
I have left it to drain some times and forgot it for 4wks by then the scrim has totaly disintergrated, as if eaton by battery acid.
Roy
Roy I had a scrim go like that too, but it was only left out in the garden, bunched up, and forgotten about. Think its probably just what neglected scrims do, bit like me really when Im neglected ;D
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I didn't realise that i thought resin was resin.
I best leave it alone then ;D
RO water is perfectly fine to drink btw, a lot of our RO's come from the food/drink industry anyway.
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Reverse Osmosis is something completey different to resin
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Rubbish to you then Mr.Uninformed. ::)
Yes, they wash the car with it, THEN POLISH IT!
That's what valeters do...
I don't think they do. What would be the point of washing a car with DI water; then polishing it?
They may as well use untreated tap water if they're going to do that.
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I agree, it's a waste of time.
But if they're not polishing cars and doing the plastics, then it's not valeted is it?
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This is similar to how I clean my car (when I do clean my car which is occassionally):
ht tp://www.rinsepimp.co.uk/documents/instructions.pdf
This is obviously cleaned with DI water.
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Just saw your tag-line Tosh - about the funnel - do you look like a little steam engine, a tugboat or the tin man in wizard of oz?
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When I have changed my resin colum, I have strained the resin through a good scrim, so that the water drains out.
I have left it to drain some times and forgot it for 4wks by then the scrim has totaly disintergrated, as if eaton by battery acid.
Roy
I tried wasing my scrims in pure water for a while because I thought it would give better results but had to stop because they started disintegrating (OK on micro fibre cloths though). Have also noticed it makes holes in cotton t-shirts, or anything that is 100% cotton.