Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike 108 on January 31, 2008, 03:19:14 pm
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Over the past 18 months, I have read with interest your thoughts on WFP, and remember one of your posts/replies in particular, in which you said that WFP could never (consistently) achieve as good a result as a traditional clean done by someone who was experienced and proficient.
Do you still hold the above view now that you have gone over to WFP?
I use WFP on some properties with the following results:
On houses where the water runs down the glass in 'curtains' I find that minimal rinsing is necessary as all the dirt has run off during washing.
On houses where the water forms 'globules' on the glass during washing and rinsing I never feel confident that the windows will be to my satisfaction when they have dried.
I regularly go back to check and, though the customer is usually happy enough - I'm not!
I've read all the posts about 'rinse, rinse and rinse again' but it uses a heck of a lot of water (and you can still see spots if you look hard enough).
Most WFP users are happy to be working safely and too busy making money to worry about whether the finish is qute as good as with 'trad' - but, as long as the customer is happy - does it matter?
Do we agree on this???
Have you been able to put aside all reservations about WFP and go over to it 100%, including ground floor windows where ladders are not a requirement??
Look forward to your and anybody else's (honest) views.
Thanks
Mike
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Mike
You are too fussy , you should be more like your Jason
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agree completly
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I have gone through the angst and concern you have Mike and nearly three years on am now confident that 99% of the time I do a good to excellent job. Better than blading too.
I still sometimes blade entrance ways and doors but only if I think that there may be a freezing issue later that evening.
I no longer use a ladder at all for anything - access, bolt-reaching included.
I now will not take on the rare properties which will not let me reach the windows without a ladder (or I say I cannot do that window).
The pole lets me reach many times more windows that were inaccessible of off ladders.
Now out of first gear wfp (changing over) and second gear (trolley/car to microbore/van) I am in third gear (speeding up and rationalising round) and looking forward to overdrive!
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I think that this is the best post/question I've seen in ages on this forum and like Mike I eagerly await Squeakies response.
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If the phone dosen`t ring your doing it the right way,don`t get to fussy the customers don`t expect to have there window`s absolutley spotless and will accept the odd mark.It still surprises me how good a job the pole does.
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If the phone dosen`t ring your doing it the right way,don`t get to fussy the customers don`t expect to have there window`s absolutley spotless and will accept the odd mark.It still surprises me how good a job the pole does.
My phone doesn't ring too often but there are times when I've walked away thinking "God knows what that's gonna look like in full sun".
I sometimes get the feeling that some customers are almost too embarrassed to complain.
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If they are paying and not cancelling then they are probably good enough.
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Yeah you're right...just me being paranoid ::)
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Adequate is the only way i can describe wfp. I have done my own house a few times now and not once has it been perfect - better than my mothers house which someone else does though. But from the road most of my work looks excellent it's when you get really close that you can usually pick up some spot or blemish. It used to drive me wild but i have had to accept that no way is it perfect. Someone will jump on here and tell you their work is spotless - i don't believe them. ;)
Go round someones house or a show house and you can ALWAYS see the tell tell signs of how it was cleaned.
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Mike
I Understand what you are saying about houses where the water forms 'globules' on the glass. But even these should come up good. You probably have seen this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqvqJK6s34
In the video there are shots of windows drying with water still on the glass,Speeded up and its crystal clear...
I too have houses like this and they come up great ;D
However WFP is prone to problems like dust blowing back onto the wet glass.... Frames that leak or have rubbers leaving spots...
There was a post some time ago about trade window cleaners that clean inside and probably go out again because they can see a smear that they left..probably would of not noticed if they didnt do the insides...
If the windows come up too bad, Then it is a job for Trade if there is a odd spot and I mean odd They wfp it,,Why because for the sake of a spot the windows will not be trashed when the rain comes traditionally ;)
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Thanks to everyone who has replied so far.
I know that with extra effort/care MOST cleans with WFP will be satisfactory (i.e. good enough for the customer) - it's the ones with the 'globuling' glass that bother me - especially at ground floor level, where I feel guilty leaving them when I know I could improve them by 'blading' them.
Also, at ground floor level you can see the results and can go over the glass again if necessary - but you can't see the results at first floor level and above!!
Mike
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WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke
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With trad you know that the results are good because you can see the finish straight away, with wfp there is always some doubt as you can never be 100% sure that they will dry perfectly. However if you want to make really good money from window cleaning then you must be wfp!!
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How does wfp do a better job than blading? I can see the benefits pure water but this is not exclusive to pole users.
You can trad with pure water and suitable detergent.
Does this do as good a job as wfp or not ?
I`m curious and not knocking wfp.
Gerry.
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How does wfp do a better job than blading? I can see the benefits pure water but this is not exclusive to pole users.
You can trad with pure water and suitable detergent.
Does this do as good a job as wfp or not ?
I`m curious and not knocking wfp.
It just does, ok. I was very unsure until I tried it, now I am convinced it does a better job, windows just have an extra shine now and the frames are loads better. Secondly if you add detergent to pure water it is no longer pure, so thats impossible. Trad isnt as good as wfp because wfp gives the window a proper "wash" not a rub. Its similar to dishes in a sink, you dont just pour a little water on each dish and rub soap into it, you dip it in the water and give them a good scrub, hope that helps, Luke
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How does wfp do a better job than blading? I can see the benefits pure water but this is not exclusive to pole users.
You can trad with pure water and suitable detergent.
Does this do as good a job as wfp or not ?
I`m curious and not knocking wfp.
Gerry.
I do both,
wfp you clean all frames and glass quick on most jobs than you could just cleaning glass trad that is a fact from experience.
my trad work was always high quality (the best I could do) same with wfp
is trad or wfp better I would say the same but on finish end result wfp a gives better shine, I tryed trad with pure water only, takes ages.
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WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke
Hmm !!! Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?
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Ok :-[
Gulp.
Gerry ;D.
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Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?
Well those "wfp users" have nothing to do with me, in mine and lots of other peoples hands a wfp is better than trad. There are lots though who dont do it right, Luke :)
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WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke
Hmm !!! Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?
because new people start doing it think it is easy, it is not if you want it done right, same as trad, they get annoyed because it costs them money to start with then give up and go back to what they know trad.
thats my outlook on it
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The speed and the money madness kicks in with WFP, results come in second. Also the saftey aspect is the old excuse.
I use both trad and wfp and give my customers quality cleans first and been wfp 2 years now, it's not all it's cracked up to be.
If you want to charge silly money for the time taken to clean and you can get away with it then go for it, but I have been in the business 20 years and results come first and a fair wage for the days work.
Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.
Adam
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WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke
Hmm !!! Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?
Because your cleaning there windows in half the time at least and most people feel that there getting robbed for the time that your at there property simple as that,i bet most people when they don`t want you to clean anymore can`t find a genuine reason ie the windows just arn`t as good as they were when they used to be when cleaning the old way,they normally say i don`t like my brickwork wet or my path the list goes on,not that i`ve had any of these complaints i`m going on what i`ve heard from others on here.You turn up in a new van in a good mood,you don`t have to be a brain surgeon to work out your earning more money,jealousy is a terrible thing but that`s what it boils down to.
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Its called Capitolism!! Luke
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Then why is it that most of the complaints are directed at wfp users?
Well those "wfp users" have nothing to do with me, in mine and lots of other peoples hands a wfp is better than trad. There are lots though who dont do it right, Luke :)
Luke i can only speak as I find. Most( if not all) the negative stuff from customers I read on this forum relates to wfp not trad.
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Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.
Adam
Why is that a rip off?, the shop owner has obviously agreed the price and is happy with the work, we are all in business to make money after all! It makes good business sense to get the best possible price for the service you offer. Personally I would not do any job no matter how small for less than £10.
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Example: last week someone asked a price for a shop window and someone came back with £8.00 for 2 minutes work, this is ripping someone off and you can argue the toss till the end of time but it's still a rip off.
Adam
Why is that a rip off?, the shop owner has obviously agreed the price and is happy with the work, we are all in business to make money after all! It makes good business sense to get the best possible price for the service you offer. Personally I would not do any job no matter how small for less than £10.
I agree,if you don`t have a minimum charge you`ll end up with a round full of rubbish.And that`s no fun running around doing jobs like that when your behind.
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Simon for a start most of the users on here are wfp so it is a little bias in that way, so there will naturally be more complaining from wfp users. Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks but with wfp you have to be more confident ( and have good technique ) that you are leaving the window clean. Luke
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I DON'T LEAVE STREAKS....BLOODY CHEEK ;D
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:) :) :)
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The more guys going soley WFP suits me because then it will come back and bite you when areas are flooded with guys who have read threads and posts of very high earnings and think they can make a fast buck and undercut other guys, they will then come and winge that someone has been poaching work from them. ( you only have yourself to blame). Jealousy has been mensioned, wake up and look at the big picture !
If you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.
I use my wfp to clean high and awkward windows and if a customer has bad frames or dodgey putty then they don't miss out cos I will trad them.
If you can't trad well then you shouldn't call yourself a professional window cleaner because you can't do every aspect of the job.
Adam
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Solutions to the following problems:
f you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.
drought order - collect rainwater instead ( I know this idea sound wrong but we all know that the droughts are down to leaks and over consumption not lack of rain )
frozen days - heater in van/ hot water
getting areas soaked - be more careful and use a flow control on your hip to start/stop water
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The more guys going soley WFP suits me because then it will come back and bite you when areas are flooded with guys who have read threads and posts of very high earnings and think they can make a fast buck and undercut other guys, they will then come and winge that someone has been poaching work from them. ( you only have yourself to blame). Jealousy has been mensioned, wake up and look at the big picture !
If you can't trad then you have no fall back If drought orders kick in or frozen days or customers want the windows cleaning without getting areas soaked.
I use my wfp to clean high and awkward windows and if a customer has bad frames or dodgey putty then they don't miss out cos I will trad them.
If you can't trad well then you shouldn't call yourself a professional window cleaner because you can't do every aspect of the job.
Adam
I was 15yrs + a mug i mean trad so i know how to blade and scrim,but i`m now in the business to make money,99% of people want clean windows and couldn`t care less how they get em,save your life and make enough money to be able to enjoy your life go WFP.
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"Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks"
Luke with comments like that you have never been trad or if you have been trad the you wern't a good one .
You never leave spots and runs do you cos every widow is perfect ! my a**e.
NWH, 10 shop fronts @£4.00 lasting 2minutes is far better than one @ an extortionate price of £10.00.
If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.
Adam
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ASBOSS - YOU HAVE TOTALLY MISUNDERSTOOD ME
I was reffering to the fact that you are physically closer to the window so its obvious you have left streaks so you can then correct them :)
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NWH,
I am no mug and make a very good living !
Maybe I will see you soon on Rouge traders, oh sorry I mean Windex.
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"Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks"
Luke with comments like that you have never been trad or if you have been trad the you wern't a good one .
You never leave spots and runs do you cos every widow is perfect ! my a**e.
NWH, 10 shop fronts @£4.00 lasting 2minutes is far better than one @ an extortionate price of £10.00.
If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.
Adam
And if i was buying a round with your prices i`d laugh you out of town.
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Luke,
no apology coming mate ,cos you said trad guys leave steaks when I for one don't leave streaks !
It's a forum and if you don't want replys like mine then don't make sweeping statements.
NWH,
I don't have to buy rounds as mine has been built by me, again you take the easy way out. Mine is mainly commercial and all good prices also on many jobs I have been recomended because of the quality of my work. ( so I must be doing something wrong )
Adam
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If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.
I have a n £8 minimum for my shop fronts, some of which are £16, they only take a few minutes but I am the only insured wc on the street so they are willing to pay the extra, they only take me 2-4 mins each, Luke
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Luke,
no apology coming mate ,cos you said trad guys leave steaks when I for one don't leave streaks !
It's a forum and if you don't want replys like mine then don't make sweeping statements.
NWH,
I don't have to buy rounds as mine has been built by me, again you take the easy way out. Mine is mainly commercial and all good prices also on many jobs I have been recomended because of the quality of my work. ( so I must be doing something wrong )
Adam
I don`t buy rounds mine has been established for over 30-40 years,it`s the creme de la creme of work. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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If you tried to charge £10 for an average shop front in my area you would get laughed out of town.
I have a n £8 minimum for my shop fronts, some of which are £16, they only take a few minutes but I am the only insured wc on the street so they are willing to pay the extra, they only take me 2-4 mins each, Luke
The thing is Luke,someone WILL come along who also is insured and undercut you,believe me iv`e been window cleaning 20 years and it DOES happen :-\
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no apology coming mate ,cos you said trad guys leave steaks when I for one don't leave streaks !
I never said that, I just explained that you misunderstood me. I use trad methods too, and I was trad 5 months back, and I was joking about an apology! Luke
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If the phone dosen`t ring your doing it the right way,don`t get to fussy the customers don`t expect to have there window`s absolutley spotless and will accept the odd mark.It still surprises me how good a job the pole does.
My phone doesn't ring too often but there are times when I've walked away thinking "God knows what that's gonna look like in full sun".
I sometimes get the feeling that some customers are almost too embarrassed to complain.
Yes yes yes, you are not the only one there Simon, thankyou for posting that and being honest, I think at times I can be too much of a perfectionist, I have spent on occassion 45 minutes trying to work out why one window wont come up; we can only do our best and sometimes WE are the ones who are entirely satisfied.
Matt
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That's great NWH, mine has been built up over 20 years and makes me an excellent living.
When you make statements calling guys mugs for using trad is just asking for trouble, so you reap what you sow !
LUKE, I did not misunderstad you, I just read what you wrote as did simon. If you ment to say something else then write it, then there will be no problems !
Adam
( I have no more to add, so I will leave it there ) ;)
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chiill out guys keep your hair on ;D ;D
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If the phone dosen`t ring your doing it the right way,don`t get to fussy the customers don`t expect to have there window`s absolutley spotless and will accept the odd mark.It still surprises me how good a job the pole does.
My phone doesn't ring too often but there are times when I've walked away thinking "God knows what that's gonna look like in full sun".
I sometimes get the feeling that some customers are almost too embarrassed to complain.
Yes yes yes, you are not the only one there Simon, thankyou for posting that and being honest, I think at times I can be too much of a perfectionist, I have spent on occassion 45 minutes trying to work out why one window wont come up; we can only do our best and sometimes WE are the ones who are entirely satisfied.
Matt
Nothing worng with being a perfectionist, it builds a good name for you, I do the same my guys hate me, if it costs me money to get the job done so be it, they cant say i didnt do it right, i do try not to cost myself money but it is all a learning curve how ever long you have been window cleaning for.
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I did not misunderstad you, I just read what you wrote as did simon. If you ment to say something else then write it, then there will be no problems !
I did write it correctly but the trad/wfp debate led you to take it the wrong way. Simon was having a laugh, he knew what I actually meant, Luke
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I would say that overall WFP does a more THOROUGH job, which does not mean better.
For me at least I clean the whole window, on large conservatories I wash everything form the gutters down, it really makes a difference.
On Georgian work or leaded then I would say that WFP is better, ok, yo ucan still get spots no matter what the style of the window, but these windows done trad will be flawed, when the sun shines at a certain angle these flaws show up.
On normal panes of course you squeegee away and they are fine, but again, get the light in the wrong angle and you can work out the squeegee passes.
WFP is certainly less CONSISTANT, and on most houses, if you look close enough, you will always find the odd window where there is a little trail of spots, and now and again you will get several of the windows wrong, it happens.
I work extremely hard to get my windows as SPOTlessly clean as I can, 95% of the time I succeed.
Some work comes up so well I cannot fault it no matter how hard I try, on others I know I am going to leave behind spots. Usually sash windows :-\ (but not always!)
As for pricing and being a rip off merchant, well, that kind of depends on how you value yourself and the service you offer.
I watched a guy using WFP on the outside of the Lloydstsb in Chepstow today, and I thought he was dire, he didn't scrub the glass, he just passed over once and gave an off the glass rinse.
He also missed the one top corner on each pane of glass because of the angle he was holding the pole and he didn't touch any part of the frames either, not even the sills.
He had the long, grey fibreglass pole, so it was heavy and clumsy looking, and even though he wasn't very thorough in his work, he was still slower than I would have been and I always thoroughly scrub the glass AND frames.
When people work in such a way, it is small wonder that there are so many complaints flying around about the quality of WFP cleaned windows.
Ian
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well said, especially the last part, Luke
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Squeaky, where are you?
Does anybody know if he's on holiday?
Mike
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Squeaky, where are you?
Does anybody know if he's on holiday?
Mike
I was thinking the same.
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Call it a draw ;D.
And Squeaky never got to answer his question.
Yet.........
Gerry.
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Oops, bit slow there.
Gerry.
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Ian, thank God for a sensible post in this thread. Luke, read some of the stuff you post. You've been there done that etc etc, yet you seem to know diddly squat to put it politely.
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You've been there done that etc etc, yet you seem to know diddly squat to put it politely.
I think I've come across you before on the forum Feen. For me wfp does do a better job than trad, and I'm only 18 so how could I have done everything, I have never claimed to have done so. On the other hand my age doesnt make my opinion worthless or less important than anybody elses, Luke
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oh and have you ever considered that part of my experience comes from my dad who is also a wc'er ?? Luke
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Yes Luke I have considered that your Dad gave you some insight. Doesn't change my view.
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fine
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Good post Ian.
Whether you clean trad,wfp or using the top of Ian Lancaster`s head, perfection may be attainable but is highly impractical every clean.
Gerry.
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Also the saftey aspect is the old excuse.
Adam
Our Industry is one of the most dangers jobs in country, (well know fact) that remark is a slap in the face to every window cleaner that is not with us! >:(
Andy
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Luke said "WFP has better results than trad without a single doubt, Luke"
Luke also said " and I'm only 18 so how could I have done everything,"
Think about it. As you said Luke, "I think I've come across you before on the forum Feen." Well that's because I post on here.
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Simon for a start most of the users on here are wfp so it is a little bias in that way, so there will naturally be more complaining from wfp users. Secondly it is obvious when usi g trad methods that you have left streaks but with wfp you have to be more confident ( and have good technique ) that you are leaving the window clean. Luke
Whoever didn't understand that post needs to read it again.....and then again. He didn't say : Simon you left streaks, he said, it's easier to see streaks when your trad. Nothing more, nothing to get annoyed about.
Give Luke a break, he didn't say anything like what you guys made up. :)
I find Luke's comments on things highly valuable, and even though he might not be right on everything, he does have trad background, and for him comparing the two, he finds wfp definitely does a better job. And washing the frames, and cleaning the window at the same time, and no detergent left on the window, he might be right in saying so. His opinion and he's entitled to have one.
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Well done G.Q.C.
I had also realised that there had been a misunderstanding with Luke's comments - but chose to take the easy option and not get involved!
"'Respect' man" as Ali G would say.
Mike
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Also the saftey aspect is the old excuse.
Adam
Our Industry is one of the most dangers jobs in country, (well know fact) that remark is a slap in the face to every window cleaner that is not with us! >:(
Andy
and its also rubbish
i can assure any1 on here, the reason i use WFP upstairs is SAFETY, nothing more, nothing less, i know i will go home at night after a days graft without being involved in a ladder fall
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WFP is certainly less CONSISTANT, and on most houses, if you look close enough, you will always find the odd window where there is a little trail of spots, and now and again you will get several of the windows wrong, it happens.
this is so right, the amountof people on here who delude themselves that they do a 100 % spot free clean EVERY clean is amazing
its not allways spot free, you have the risk of that dirty water run leaving a trial of little white spots down the glass, it does happen, people accept it, as they still haev you back :)BUT make no mistake, its not allways 100%
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Not always I bet no, but isn't that the case with traditional aswell? On some houses you'd be hard pressed to remove all fly/spider muck. Nobody seems to complain about that?
Or are the spots really that easy to see, or do you have to be a foot away from the glass to see the odd spot?
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Not always I bet no, but isn't that the case with traditional aswell? On some houses you'd be hard pressed to remove all fly/spider muck. Nobody seems to complain about that?
Or are the spots really that easy to see, or do you have to be a foot away from the glass to see the odd spot?
your right, trad isnt 100 % either, even the best can leave kick lines that are only seen in certain light at certain angles
if you look hard enough, you will find fault in both methods
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WFP results can be just the same as a bad trad clean, they can look good straight on but awfull from an angle. cleaned an old painted window once as part of an experiment, it sheeted nicely & looked great when viewed @ 90 degrees. however, move to side & view with some sky reflection & man, it was bad.
Both methods, with the correct tools & skills are equaly as good IMO as far as results are concerned.
Tony
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Not always I bet no, but isn't that the case with traditional aswell? On some houses you'd be hard pressed to remove all fly/spider muck. Nobody seems to complain about that?
Or are the spots really that easy to see, or do you have to be a foot away from the glass to see the odd spot?
your right, trad isnt 100 % either, even the best can leave kick lines that are only seen in certain light at certain angles
if you look hard enough, you will find fault in both methods
thats it in one!!(or two actually)and i am with matt on the safety aspect,and before all you trad boys start saying how everyone slags ladders,iam not slagging ladders i just dont use them unless i am completeley (? that dont look right) happy they are safe and as for roof work....no jeffin way if no one is ringing to complain then there is no problem my wfp paranoia is over ,most customers cant see these "problems" any way if they not bothered then should we be?????
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WFP results can be just the same as a bad trad clean, they can look good straight on but awfull from an angle. cleaned an old painted window once as part of an experiment, it sheeted nicely & looked great when viewed @ 90 degrees. however, move to side & view with some sky reflection & man, it was bad.
Both methods, with the correct tools & skills are equaly as good IMO as far as results are concerned.
Tony
Tony cock on as usual :)
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where is sqeaky, he's not allready on the run from the IR is he ?? ? ??
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You just cant win with some people, but thanks for all the nice comments!! I'll be away for a couple of weeks tomorrow so nobody can misunderstand me !!!!, Luke
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You just cant win with some people, but thanks for all the nice comments!! I'll be away for a couple of weeks tomorrow so nobody can misunderstand me !!!!, Luke
luke dont take it to heart, its only a forum ;)
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where is sqeaky, he's not allready on the run from the IR is he ?? ? ??
Sorry guys, trying to deal with the loss of my partner of 9 years and break up of my family. :'(
I've browsed a bit, but couldn't be bothered to think about posting.
For what it's worth...
I don't think wfp does a better job in general.
It's inconsistent, and doesn't look "finished" as it's a wet mess.
Granted, done properly it's more thorough and sometimes I amaze myself, but you can't 100% rely on it.
If you get it wrong with the squeegee it's nothing much.
Get it wrong with wfp and it can be awful.
Don't get me wrong though...
Wfp is easier, usually quicker, and safer, but it doesn't look as neat and impressive as well squeegeed pane.
Pays your money, takes your choice.
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Sorry to hear that mate.
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where is sqeaky, he's not allready on the run from the IR is he ?? ? ??
Sorry guys, trying to deal with the loss of my partner of 9 years and break up of my family. :'(
I've browsed a bit, but couldn't be bothered to think about posting.
For what it's worth...
I don't think wfp does a better job in general.
It's inconsistent, and doesn't look "finished" as it's a wet mess.
Granted, done properly it's more thorough and sometimes I amaze myself, but you can't 100% rely on it.
If you get it wrong with the squeegee it's nothing much.
Get it wrong with wfp and it can be awful.
Don't get me wrong though...
Wfp is easier, usually quicker, and safer, but it doesn't look as neat and impressive as well squeegeed pane.
Pays your money, takes your choice.
sorry to hear that also Squeaky.
Wondered why you had been posting lately.
Chin up m8
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Sounds like you're having a really bad time at the moment (and probably for some time to come). Sorry to hear of your misfortunes.
Thanks for taking the time to reply to the question.
Mike
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Cheers guys. :)
It's horrible.
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Blimey Squeaks, your like a magnet to bad luck! Things can only get better surely. (might take a while though). Your still young, plenty of future to look forward to. Who knows you might even get a tax rebate.
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where is sqeaky, he's not allready on the run from the IR is he ?? ? ??
Sorry guys, trying to deal with the loss of my partner of 9 years and break up of my family. :'(
I've browsed a bit, but couldn't be bothered to think about posting.
sorry rog, my original post was of course in jest
sorry to hear your news
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When you say the loss of your partner what do you mean,have you just split up.
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Sorry to hear the bad news Squeaky, Luke
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keep ya chin up squeaky .
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Wfp does a good job most of the time. There are weather conditions especially if you live near the coast, that WFP can be dreadful.
I cleaned my windscreen this morning WFP, within 2 hours it was really filthy, and I was parked up the whole time. Strong onshore winds are a waste of time with WFP.
I don't know if it's the salt laden air, or stuff blowing around. My screen was not spotty there were dried rivulets of water all over it. I really think that DI water attracts salt. If I had cleaned trad, or dried it off with a blade I would not have had the problem.
To be fair, I don't get half the complaints WFP than I did trad, and I didn't get many then.
But WFP is not Gods gift all the time. Dai
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When you say the loss of your partner what do you mean,have you just split up.
Yes.
She went off with another lad (ex-boyfriend) a couple of weeks ago.
I caught her out and she said she'd had enough after nearly 9 years, and with a 5 year old daughter.
Two weeks later she's still living here with me and I can't go near her.
Painful ain't the word.
I don't want her to leave, but if she does it'll be easier to deal with.
To be fair we haven't always got on, but it's not until you've lost it you realise how much you miss it. :(
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I know it`s hard mate but the truth is if she dosen`t want to be with you and as hard as it is let her go and do yourself a favour,you deserve better but don`t give in when she comes crawling back.
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I changed over to wfp for safety reasons, it's not "the old excuse" either. My circumstances dictated that this was the way to go. I was in partnership with another lad who got fed up with windowcleaning so I was on my own. wfp allows me to work safely on my own. When I first used wfp I would have been very happy if the results had been the same as when I did trad, I wasn't expecting a windowcleaning utopia or an easy money trip. I just wanted to work safely on my own. Before we parted I timed all the work we did, the other day I timed again and I thought to myself, it's no faster than trad. It then dawned on me that I'm doing it in exactly the same time now as when there was two of us. So there is a fiscal advantage for me, but it certainly wasn't the reason I swapped over.
Thankyou all for listening to my rant ;D
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I was thinking this the other day,i thought to myself this house used to take me 1.5 hrs before when using ladders and it`s taken me the same time today with the pole,it then dawned on me that when using ladders there was 3 of us lol. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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sorry to hear that squeaky. Your ciu maytees will always be here for you. :)
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Rog, sorry to hear that mate. It'll work out ok in the end.
Have a go at Tosh, that'll cheer you up ;)
Arthur
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squeaky I know exactly how you feel as I have been their . Just try to take a a day at a time and try to talk to somone you can trust . Dont make any rash decisions and i promise you it will get easier over time . My thoughts are with you and if you want to talk just reply and i will give you my home tel number .
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Cheers guys, you're very kind. :)
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When you say the loss of your partner what do you mean,have you just split up.
Yes.
She went off with another lad (ex-boyfriend) a couple of weeks ago.
I caught her out and she said she'd had enough after nearly 9 years, and with a 5 year old daughter.
Two weeks later she's still living here with me and I can't go near her.
Painful ain't the word.
I don't want her to leave, but if she does it'll be easier to deal with.
To be fair we haven't always got on, but it's not until you've lost it you realise how much you miss it. :(
Sorry to hear that Rog. I'm sure it will all work out in the end mate. Although no two situations are identical, I went through a load of difficult relationship stuff around 01/02/03. It resulted in me moving 3 times in a year. Very stressful stuff. I've emerged from it a stronger person but it took time to get there. Best of luck with it all.
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sorry to hear your bad news squeaky,
hope it works out for you,
plenty of nice girls in chepstow :D :D
regards mike
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squeaky I know exactly how you feel as I have been their . Just try to take a a day at a time and try to talk to somone you can trust . Dont make any rash decisions and i promise you it will get easier over time . My thoughts are with you and if you want to talk just reply and i will give you my home tel number .
Very nice post, i also will second that as i too have been there.
You have my sympathy mate at this very difficult & trying time. ;)
Tony
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Mike
I Understand what you are saying about houses where the water forms 'globules' on the glass. But even these should come up good. You probably have seen this clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxqvqJK6s34
In the video there are shots of windows drying with water still on the glass,Speeded up and its crystal clear...
I too have houses like this and they come up great ;D
However WFP is prone to problems like dust blowing back onto the wet glass.... Frames that leak or have rubbers leaving spots...
There was a post some time ago about trade window cleaners that clean inside and probably go out again because they can see a smear that they left..probably would of not noticed if they didnt do the insides...
If the windows come up too bad, Then it is a job for Trade if there is a odd spot and I mean odd They wfp it,,Why because for the sake of a spot the windows will not be trashed when the rain comes traditionally ;)
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Hi Mike.
Yep, I am on the correct site. One of the guys that replied to you made reference to "you tube". It was very interesting. I must come over and see this wfp in action. Looks a whole lot safer than a ladder on a windy day. The you tube film shows someone cleaning the roof of a conservatory. I have a customer with a consevatory that i dont think has ever been cleaner. Its thick with green alge. Would a wfp get this off?
Good to see you yesterday.
Regards
Tony
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Hi Tony.
What are you doing still up at 2 am!
Yes, WFP will get all the green algae off the conservatory.
However, in order to speed the job up (and make a better job of the gutter brackets and any other awkward bits) a lot of cleaners spray the algae with TFR (traffic film remover) first.
Jason will tell you where he bought ours - but you're welcome to try some of ours if you're in the area to collect it.
Give me a ring.
Regards.
Mike
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I prefer traditional but would not change back to that full time as i do a lot of builders cleans and would not be allowed to use ladders on site.
I can get away with my 8ft pointer though for some insides i do on site's.
On domestics i do the odd occasional house traditional with my a frame just for a change really as i find WFP so boring.
Some weeks i think WFP is crap and feel like chucking it all away and going back traditional.
Other weeks i find it the bee knees.
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I prefer traditional but would not change back to that full time as i do a lot of builders cleans and would not be allowed to use ladders on site.
I can get away with my 8ft pointer though for some insides i do on site's.
On domestics i do the odd occasional house traditional with my a frame just for a change really as i find WFP so boring.
Some weeks i think WFP is crap and feel like chucking it all away and going back traditional.
Other weeks i find it the bee knees.
How do you get cement, plaster & silicone off with wfp?
Tony
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Macmac said -
How do you get cement, plaster & silicone off with wfp?
Tony
Scraper on a pole but usually the outside are just really thick dust as they are covered with a film.
What does not come off with WFP is either taken off from cherry picker or is left
Insides i get paint, plaster, silicon which i remove with a scraper
Paul
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Macmac said -
How do you get cement, plaster & silicone off with wfp?
Tony
Scraper on a pole but usually the outside are just really thick dust as they are covered with a film.
What does not come off with WFP is either taken off from cherry picker or is left
Insides i get paint, plaster, silicon which i remove with a scraper
Paul
Thanks
Tony
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squeeky - I'm really sorry to hear the bad news.
I can't say how I'd feel because I've never been through a bad breakup.
Bt yeah, have a good go at tosh - tell him you're after wor lass! thats bound to get him going!!