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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: robbobon on January 15, 2007, 07:48:39 pm
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HI all, Ive been traditional now for 22 years, I dont think i'll be changeing to wfp. ( water on a stick) I have been regular cleaning now 20 villages with lots of customers still with me from 22 years ago. The thing is lots of you guys on here keep saying how good wfp system is, but as I am very experianced in the trad way, I never get complaints when I clean windows I clean all the sills and frames aswell as the panes of glass, In the villages where I do my services on my round, customers tell me they have got rid off guys with the water on a stick :o because water falls all over there walls and patio's, pavements, drives, you name it , the water goes everywhere, lots say they hate the way it pores all down there walls. Allso they dont like the way the hose pipe bashes there plant's around in there gardens, Ive had lot's off customers ask me to take on there house's due to haveing to sack wfp guys.I dont think you can beat the good ol ladder way, One off my regulars told me he had to get rid off a guy with wfp because it was not cleaning his sills proper (leaving cob webs etc) one gentelman told me there was mores spots on his glass after he had his windows cleaned than before. One village that I call at , I took on a full road( 25 houses) due too a guy with a wfp system not makeing the people who live there very happy. >:( All these window cleaners i'm talking about have sign written van's and look very pro I must admit but with the comment's I keep getting about wfp systems , it makes you wonder if they are that good? I was at work last week and a block off flats I do, the warden there said she had a window cleaner for a while but he left spot's all over her flat windows. So what's the point in useing these expensive machine's if they dont do a 100% job. I my self have a signwritten van with two sets off real good ladders, with lots off buckets, plenty of scrim ,sqeegues ,scrapers , chamois leather's and smartly dressed , oh and a extending pole for arkward too get too windows. I do restaurants ,garages, schools, manor houses, halls, doctor surgeries, blocks flats ,pubs ,private houses , council houses,farm houses, b&b's , doctors houses, factories,builders cleans, And every body is happy no complaints what so ever. :) there is just one question i'm dieing to ask all the wfp guys out there, how do you get the splashes off paint off windows when they have just been painted by a decorator for instance ,especial right near the putty area, on upper windows! just a thought :-\ love to hear from you guy's wfp may apply. ;)
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Hi there
can we hide this one from squeeky :-X
you will be his new best mate ;D
Brett
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Robbobon
Like any trade, you get good and bad mate. I am sure you would get work off 'trad' w/cs if the work they turned out was crap!
Used correctly, wfp is good, with more than a few advantages over 'trad'. But if your happy cleaning windows the traditional way, and you work safely, then carry on.
On the point of water everywhere, do people come out after heavy rain and shake their fists at the sky ? ;)
Can't comment on trailing hoses, we use a trolley system.
Use a 4" scraper (ettore champion?) after you soap up glass when cleaning paint off glass
Regards...Jake
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I would say wfp is definately safer but trad is better for results as you are up close and personal and can see what your doing
wfp is just like anything else if you do it right you get good results just lately im coming accross customers that are against wfp because of the results this due to w/c not doing it right, which is making it harder for people like me to convince them.
But it seems to be the future all my customers love it and i dont get any complaints ;)
regards
Brett.
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You may need to check on the new ladder law's that came into place of April 06? apart from that i went over to water on a stick as you call it, and will never go back to ladders, 28 years in the game. Rob.
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paint left on windows aint my problem, thats the painters!, no excuse for sloppy workmanship they should make good.
I use wfp and do trad, whatever is best on individual jobs.
don't suppose you have much 4 th storey work in the villages you clean. Its a different story where I live hence wfp and thats where my best paying jobs are. Each to their own mate.
If your happy then why change, I wish I could have that amount of work without the need for wfp my start up costs would have been a fraction of what they were but needs must. good luck to ya
Simon
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Funny old world, I'v had new customers because they didn't like holes in their lawn,
Ladder marks on their walls, and they wanted the windows over the conservatory cleaned. Just goes to show, you can't please them all.
I still have my ladders on the van, so I can clean them however I like.
Of course without WFP, you haven't got that choice. Dai
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if you have never used wfp "properly" you cannot comment, remember most of us do trad aswell if safe and you can get spectacular results wf if done properly. Like any tool it is only as good as the user
simbo
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WFP.... no more broken tiles
gives customer their privacy
brett.
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ok so what about window cleaners who cant clean properly with a squeeggee...streaks left smears etc etc wfp does work as long as its in the right hands just like someone who uses a squeegge properlly. I have cleaned 400 customers windows for the last 4 years every month by wfp and not one cancellation.Old windows with putty well you just wouldnt do with wfp just like you wouldnt use a 12" squeeggee on lead glass windows.I have just finished cleaning 40 flats every friday for the last 5 months for Barrett Homes and guess what the results are that good they now want me to clean the next phase. I aslo clean a 5million pound house for a former F1 race team principle and guess what im still doing them 3 years later with wfp and they would never NEVER go back to traditional because of the results. My biggest customer is Kraft Foods who make mellow birds coffee etc i clean with a wfp upto 80 on some parts and have been doing so for the last 2 years oh guess what will never have another cherry picker and squeeggee again. Would i have wanted to be a window cleaner this week in all the wind.....nope one because my insurance company would never have paid out and secondly my common knowledge would have told me not too. So wfp window cleaning does worl else people like Tucker Pole Systems who have been using this equipment for the last 40 years wouldnt still be in business now.
you say you do blocks of flats how high because i know for a fact you wouldnt be able to get insurance using a ladder over the first floor??? unless you dont have insurance then its down to the householder / commercial customer to pay you if you injure yourself on their property.And given the people i have spoken to regarding health and safety the customers you have cant have any regards for health and safety if your cleaning schoold etc from a ladder as WAHD does state you have to show in your risk assesment that you cant provide another option than to use a ladder.Th schools i clean WOULD NEVER let me clean their windows of a ladder
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i had one customer this morning who ask my son to be careful with the small pointer ladder so as not to ruin her flower bed at the bottom of her front bay window, to which i replied "rather than put the ladder there i can do them with my WATER ON A STICK THINGY"
to which she replied "oh yes please"
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robbobon,
A bad workman always blames his tools,
A bad window cleaner no matter what tools he uses,shammy,scrim,pad and blade,wfp etc, will do a bad job
I have been window cleaning for over 18 years and been using wfp for nearly 2 years i still do alot of pad and blade work and have no problems with any of my work weather i use wfp or not, i just don`t use ladders anymore,
as for the paint mark left by painters etc blame them they left it just like blame the bad window cleaner for leaving spots and streaks,
don`t knock it until you have tried it,if you are as good as you say you are what`s the problem,
Gaz
ps what do your customers do when it`s raining do they bring all the outside in or cover it all up with tarporlin sheets?
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I've little to add to what has already been written above...
Paint spots, cement, putty, silicone and so on can only really be dealt with up close and personal, easy enough on ground floor stuff of course, but upstairs it has to be done off a ladder.
As I refuse now to work directly off a ladder then that work does not get done, and even when I was on a ladder, if I had to knife of paint and the like I ALWAYS charged extra, that isn't normal weathering so I charge for cleaning it off!
But as all the others have said, results depend upon the skill and experience of the window cleaner, those that believe there is no skill in using WFP are deluding themselves.
Ian
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water falls all over there walls
So what happens when it rains ::)
hose pipe bashes there plant's around in there gardens
If a garden is not suited to having a hose! then a back pack is the way to go
one question i'm dieing to ask all the wfp guys out there, how do you get the splashes off paint off windows when
How often do you get this on normal every day window cleaning! well its not happen to me in 20 years of window cleaning
it makes you wonder if they are that good?
WFP systems ARE a industry standard tool of the trade, I have had one complaint BUT then customers complained BEFORE WFP
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HI all, Ive been traditional now for 22 years, I dont think i'll be changeing to wfp. ( water on a stick)
Good! When the HSE enforce the WAHR this year, when all the pro's have had chance to buy their new equipment that conforms to the new LAW, then I shall be pleased to take over your work for you when you go out of business :D :D :D
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Steady with the baiting guys, try and keep your replies pertinant...
Ian
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When i change to wfp my customers where glad it was safer for me.
If i was getting negatives of my system then i would be worried and return to trad. But i still get my cuppa of them and a than you...?
So for now wfp......
Dave
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I think by now most people have a rough idea of the pro's and con's between the two methods.
Though, unlike the original poster I am a "totally wet behind the ears traditional" without the cash to spare for a WFP. So I thought I would sort of balance this whole debate towards my side a bit.
I am currently canvassing for work, and much fun it is too. But I must admit I am astonished at how many times I have looked and thought to myself "can't do that with my ladder". Now bare in mind I have all the time in the world when I go to clean, I am not exactly rushing to fit them all in. So if anyone has the time to set up a ladder properly including tieing it to something secure then it is me. I would consider my self safe and pretty fine with heights and not very scared of falling. It is just something you can not do, at all, it has nothing to do with ladder safety, A ladder can be perfectly safe, it just impossible to do some jobs. I also seem to be getting a few leaded windows of the stick on variety, something I am sure WFP is at home with. Also a load of conservatorys with those big roofs I seem to come across which I could do but would take up a right chunk of my time also.
However, I am going to get a trolley (actually I am probably going to make one mostly from bits found in a scrap yard if it is possible) If needs be I will make my own poles and brushes. It is not matter of desire, it is a matter of need. Not only will this enable me to do work that I can not do it will also speed some jobs up.
I must admit, I do feel a bit like the fella on D.A. Services sig file when I read about people buying into huge systems that frankly they do not need, but I can understand the safety aspect makes some want to just wave goodbye to the ladder.
To me, it should not be a question of "Should I get a WFP?" it should be a question of "How big a system should I invest in?" because lets be honest, a ladder just isn't upto the job in many cases. But I am stil going to be lifting the ladder for quite a while, its a financial thing more than anything.
(and I live in a ground floor flat and a big WFP system would be a pain)
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some of my 3 storey houses are 10 quid each thats 3 windows and a door at the front side window and 4 windows and a door at the back, good priced
A few weeks ago a window cleaner pulls up next door does exactly the same 3 storey house using ladders :o gets talking to him nice bloke hes charging for the same house 17 quid as she wants it done trad. She had it cleaned wfp before but she didnt like the results so she would sooner pay 7 quid more
So wfp must have been used poorly ::)
But what was this chap doing 3rd storey work off ladders for? :o as he had a wfp set up, he should have shown her how to get good results
you cant win them all
Brett
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ok Thanks guy's intresting stuff!
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I still use ladders, though it's becomming a rare occurance these days, but my favourate accounts are those that were (or would be) a pain to do trad.
Leaded windows are great with a WFP; and accounts that used to entail lots of ladder moves and climbing are an absolute dream.
I sometimes feel like I'm ripping the customer off! On one account, I've actually lied to the manager after he said, 'That was quick!'. I reminded him that there's two of us (Wor Lass); but she didn't work that day. ;D
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Tosh do you ever get customers trying to renegotiate the price because it's taking you far less time with wfp?
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I still use ladders, though it's becomming a rare occurance these days, but my favourate accounts are those that were (or would be) a pain to do trad.
Leaded windows are great with a WFP; and accounts that used to entail lots of ladder moves and climbing are an absolute dream.
I sometimes feel like I'm ripping the customer off! On one account, I've actually lied to the manager after he said, 'That was quick!'. I reminded him that there's two of us (Wor Lass); but she didn't work that day. ;D
When I worked on the building there was a bricklayer who was doing the blockwork on a giant retaining wall all on his own. He knew that the site manager did his prowling during the lunch break. He used to sit with the steelfixers and have his lunch so that the manager would assume that they were his "gang" in case he tried to drop the rate. :)
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Tosh do you ever get customers trying to renegotiate the price because it's taking you far less time with wfp?
No, not really. You might have the odd 'sharp' customer make a comment; but they're okay with it 99.9% of the time.
Mind you, I do tops only (mostly) and Wor Lass follows on behind 'tradding'
the ground floor windows, so I guess my customers generally don't know how long we take for each property.
Just tell 'em you're working safely, within the health and safety regulations and that you don't want to break your legs falling off a ladder, and they get their frames cleaned for free.
Look smart and act the part and you'll be fine.
I'm sure.
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I can't believe we have managed to get back to the old debate again. Personally, I don't really care how a window gets cleaned as long as somebody pays me at the end.
I can also see that some people might have strong views one way or another and they are entitled to be respected for their opinion.
But the truth is, WFP is the best thing that has happened to me and my business since I don't know when.
There is no way I would wan't to go back to trad and whats more no way I could afford to take the drop in income.
Also, I find, much to my amazement, the customers like it as well. One of the things that stopped me converting earlier was the belief that there would be adverse reaction but it never happened.
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The 'old chap cleaning windows with a chamois (before squeegies)' is history; why? because he couldn't compete against the chap with a squeegie.
Traditional is okay for starting up a window cleaning business, BUT the future for window cleaning is WFP whether one likes or dislikes it mainly because it is more financially and health & safety advantaged, giving an unfair advantage over the traditional window cleaners.
I'll give you an example, I cleaned 2 large detached houses today in the same time as 2 traditional window cleaners cleaned 1 detached house opposite me. If we charge approximately the same price than I earnt 4 times what they did for the same amount of time. It's only a matter of time before they change to WFP to compete against me or they settle for a lower annual wage.
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8 years ago I thought I had the edge of the "competition" for about 4 years advantage. another 4 years on and the nearest wfp to me is 8 miles away . So maybe in another 4 years I may have some fun. I hope sooner, because it may eventually save someones life.
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I've got nothing much to add you'll be pleased to hear.
The opening post had all the facts to begin with.
After that it was a load of defensive rubbish.
Sorry guys, he's right.
All the things he's been told, I've been told a hundred times.
If you think the public like it, you're kidding yourselves, or they're too kind to say.
And to the prat who said he'd take work off a proper cleaner?
No chance, they wouldn't have you. ;)
Not with a snapped pole and broken nose anyway...
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Yeah, I've also gained several new houses last year, from people complaining about wfp cleaners, doing a poor job. mainly, leaving spots is the complaint. maybe due to being in a hard water area?
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You can do a bad job which ever method you use.
I took work off a Trad w/c today.
The customer came to me.
I took a couple of jobs off a wfp w/c last week.
The customer came to me.
It's just another tool to help us do the job safer and quicker.
I started with ladders as most do.
I haven't lost one customer because of wfp. Infact my round grew quicker than i thought it would when i went over to wfp.
Don't regret changing as you can't put a price on your life - and i would rather be around to see my kids grow up.
Craig
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And to the prat who said he'd take work off a proper cleaner?
No chance, they wouldn't have you. Wink
Not with a snapped pole and broken nose anyway...
Oh so you conedone violence do you squeeky please delete your post as i have reason to beleive you are inciting discriminating violence towards others on this forum simply because they are wfp and not traditional.A bit like hes black your white which i cannot and will not tolerate .
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And to the prat who said he'd take work off a proper cleaner?
No chance, they wouldn't have you. Wink
Not with a snapped pole and broken nose anyway...
Oh so you conedone violence do you squeeky please delete your post as i have reason to beleive you are inciting discriminating violence towards others on this forum simply because they are wfp and not traditional.A bit like hes black your white which i cannot and will not tolerate .
But it's ok for wfp users to say trad workers don't matter, and ha ha I'll take your work.
That's highly offensive, and yes I would possibly take drastic steps if it was done to me.
I don't like some people's high and mighty attitude.
I'm sure I'm not alone in that thought either.
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So you dont have a high and mighty attitude roger ??? I agree Easyclean Windows, I have personal been threaten by someone close to me by the forums & you have over step the mark this time >:(
Andy
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So you dont have a high and mighty attitude roger ??? I agree Easyclean Windows, I have personal been threaten by someone close to me by the forums & you have over step the mark this time >:(
Andy
No I don't have a high and mighty attitude.
I'm a window cleaner.
Someone with a 5k system and employees is still just a window cleaner.
I didn't threaten anyone, so don't be silly.
I just said I wouldn't tolerate high and mighty polers stealing my work.
Stop trying to cause problems. ::)
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Oh come on guys. Surely you can see the difference between a threat and someone having a bit of banter.
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Threat to who precisely?
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Threat to who precisely?
I think it was the bit where you said "Not with a snapped pole and broken nose anyway... ".
Anyway, don't start one me :) . I'm sticking up for ya here.
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Once again, who was it aimed at?
This is far more offensive than anything I've said...
Good! When the HSE enforce the WAHR this year, when all the pro's have had chance to buy their new equipment that conforms to the new LAW, then I shall be pleased to take over your work for you when you go out of business :D :D :D
Hilarious bits in bold, offense underlined. >:(
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Come on, everyone is just stressed by the weather. Who cares what the customer wants? As long as they don't cancel! Most customers would probably like to say "not this time mate" but I don't care, they get done. Just chill, it's gonna be sunshine next week. Promise.
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snapped pole and broken nose
>:( its blokes like you is the reason we have this dame ladders v WFP argument >:(
Andy
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Why, am upsetting the wfp ship? ;D
Don't like a difference of opinion from someone who's still proffesional?
Do you want everyone to forget trad, and conform to your substandard way of doing it?
Like I said...Wfp forum. ::)
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I have been cleaning a fair sized commercial building for about 2 years, it takes a day to clean. I changed to doing it wfp about 15 months ago, that's every month for the last 15 months, and the manager has seen what I've been doing.
She came out yesterday after I'd finished and asked what I use in the water? I explained, as I have before, including my clear written explanation of how it all works, that it is purified water, with nothing added to it. She said she has been meaning to tell me for some time, but she's been too busy.....Now I'm starting to think, "here we go, spots...sills not cleaned..dirty frames...NO! She says she has never seen such clean windows, they sparkle after I've gone.
So 2 points here: 1) WFP does work!
2) Clients just want the windows cleaned, they are often not even paying much attention to how we do it. But they sure notice when the job is done badly or well!
Happy dayze
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Sorry mate you have over step the mark this time, and justifying with humour does wash >:(
Andy
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Once again, who was it aimed at?
This is far more offensive than anything I've said...
Good! When the HSE enforce the WAHR this year, when all the pro's have had chance to buy their new equipment that conforms to the new LAW, then I shall be pleased to take over your work for you when you go out of business :D :D :D
Hilarious bits in bold, offense underlined. >:(
How should I know who you aimed it at. You're the one who wrote it. I'm starting to wonder if this is one of those text only misunderstandings that happen on the net. I've not had a pop at anyone here yet I feel as if you are having a go at me Squeaky. Maybe I've read it wrong. All I did was point out that you were only having a bit of banter. Now I'm not so sure.
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Would you all chill out guys.
Its meant to be a forum to help each other out not to wind each other up an hav a slangin match at each other,
its like a kids playground here sometimes.
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Maybe a silly thing this, but what about fun guys?
I'm only 6 months in the business, only since the last 2 months I have used the swirl or fanning, and I am just having great fun. I don't particularly see the fun or skill in wfp.
But that all aside, what matters is the following
wfp IS the future and WILL replace ladders, probably doing squeegeeing outside in as well, why doing bottoms traditionally if you can do it so much faster? (At least as good as traditional, or maybe better, but that's not the debate, the debate is you and the future of your business and family)
Only thing squeegees are going to be used for are the insides I'm afraid.
That is a realistic view of the future, in 15 years, nobody will be using ladders for sure. But what about < 5 years? You can bet that ladders users are gonna be in trouble with HS. At one point everyone will have to step over to wfp.
Everyone can think what they want, but some people are just plainly ignoring the already obvious, ladders are going to disappear. Better get prepared for wfp then having to do it at the last possible moment. You can always do bottoms traditional if you want!
Open your eyes, is it really so hard Squeeky to just swallow your pride and except ladders are going to go? This is not a debate over what is better, this is how you are gonna make your money in the near future. And that IS wfp, there is no denying that! :-\
If you are NOT prepared to have a business plan for the future, and realistically accept what's coming then your out. And should be out, because you are not going to make it, nor do you have what it takes to stay in this business, no matter how skilled you are. Decision time is here. Just use your head.
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YEAH WELL IVE JUST HAD A IDEA, I'M GOING TOO GET A WFP GUY TOO COME AND DO MY 100 YEAR OLD FARM HOUSE NEXT WEEK, AND SEE WHAT KIND OFF JOB HE DOES, (GEORGIAN WINDOWS HE HE!) AND THEN I,M GOING TO ASK MY MISSUS, IF SHE THINKS IT'S A GOOD JOB ???. THEN I'M GOING TOO DO THEM MY WAY AND SQUEEKY'S WAY ( THE BEST WAY) THEN ASK HER WHAT SHE THINKS........ ;D AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE. ;) GOD IF YOU LIVED DOWN HERE SQUEEKY, WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND PUT ALL THE WFP GUYS OUT OFF BUSSINESS. I KNOW BECAUSE MY 600 CUSTOMERS LOVE OUR METHOD. ;)
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and take that wig off how do you keep it on in the wind
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At least as good as traditional, or maybe better...
I'm not even going to give that one the credit of a response. ;D
Only thing squeegees are going to be used for are the insides I'm afraid.
That is a realistic view of the future, in 15 years, nobody will be using ladders for sure. But what about < 5 years? You can bet that ladders users are gonna be in trouble with HS. At one point everyone will have to step over to wfp.
Absolute toilet.
I've asked HS people and it's all hype.
Sorry, but you will get over it. ;) ;D
This is not a debate over what is better, this is how you are gonna make your money in the near future. And that IS wfp, there is no denying that! :-\
Yes, because I've already said that I'm tired of ladders, not because I wouldn't be allowed. ::)
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only natural son ;) this is a debate on best methods in w/c not on how good looking I am. :-*
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YEAH WELL IVE JUST HAD A IDEA, I'M GOING TOO GET A WFP GUY TOO COME AND DO MY 100 YEAR OLD FARM HOUSE NEXT WEEK, AND SEE WHAT KIND OFF JOB HE DOES, (GEORGIAN WINDOWS HE HE!) AND THEN I,M GOING TO ASK MY MISSUS, IF SHE THINKS IT'S A GOOD JOB ???. THEN I'M GOING TOO DO THEM MY WAY AND SQUEEKY'S WAY ( THE BEST WAY) THEN ASK HER WHAT SHE THINKS........ ;D AND BELIEVE ME I KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER WILL BE. ;) GOD IF YOU LIVED DOWN HERE SQUEEKY, WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND PUT ALL THE WFP GUYS OUT OFF BUSSINESS. I KNOW BECAUSE MY 600 CUSTOMERS LOVE OUR METHOD. ;)
unless they are rotten windows , then georgian windows are one of my favorites with wfp , i used to hate scrimming them wfp easy
gary
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THEY ARE NEW GEORGIAN WINDOWS, IN MY HOUSE, BUT THE WATER ON A STICK WOULD LOOK TERRIBLE ON THE PANES IN THEM. ;) OH AND YOU TELL THEM SQUEEKY !
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I KNOW BECAUSE MY 600 CUSTOMERS LOVE OUR METHOD. ;)
I must be stupid then as my 2000 customers all love WFP, do'h, I knew I was going wrong somewhere, must give my insurance company a ring so I can increase my premium back to £2,300 to allow me to use ladders for ALL my work. Oh and while I am changing my ways back to traditional that I did for some 14 years I will pop out and get some extra gripping shoes, haven't slipped off a roof for a while, can't wait to do that again!!!
Thanks for the tip ;)
Am so bored with this mindless argument. A majority of these postings are so misunderstood. Boys and girls, whatever method you choose thats your choice, NO ONE is forcing you to do either (yet). For all you traditional window cleaners out there, congratulations, its a great method and one that brings good results in the right hands. For all you WFP cleaners again congratulations, it also gives great results in the right hands.
Personally, why have I converted all my vehicles over to WFP?
1) Some of the Blue Chip and County Council authorities are hot on H&S and have stipulated that this is their preffered method. So as a business I don't want to lose their contracts so that was reason number 1.
2) My Insurance company offered me a 40% price reduction if I was WFP - This is a considerable saving on a premium of £2,300 so reason number 2.
3) On some of my commercial contracts the apex was only cleaned via platfrom access. This increased my cost to the client, WFP allowed me to get to these without the additional cost, Reason number 3.
4) I have several hundreds of customers who have conservatories with window above, WFP allows me easier access to cleaning them, hence I can charge an extra 50p or £1 to clean them, this in turn paid for the van's WFP system, reason number 4.
5) I have suffered over the last 5 years two serious falls of ladders by my employees, this is something I don't have to worry about as much with WFP, reason number 5.
I hope I have painted the bigger picture here so all of you can understand there is more to consider than just the H&S hype!
Bottom line, I converted ALL my 2000 + customers over to WFP, lost 0 customers and have about 20 houses that I choose to clean traditional, oxidised frames, powder frames, however, on the whole this method is well received.
Why do I like WFP is a personal choice, I wouldn't mock any traditional w/c as I have more than done my fair share of traditional w/cleaning and still do, what excites me is the new opportunities this system has opened up and how much easier the business is now. Looking forward to my next crew and vehicle in 3 months time.
So, what am I meaning by this long winded posting?
Guy's live and let live, don't mock either method, each has its place and its always personal preference, when and if the Government make WFP compulsery then worry about what each other is doing!
HAPPY DAYS !
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robbomonn is brilliant. I notice his spelling has improved no end as the post has gone on( a bit like an actor dropping his accent). This is the best wind-up i've seen for a long time and it has a sort of natural justice too it. I'm very glad these trad shiners are going out with a bang and not a whimper.
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Another one... ::)
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LMAO "goon" :)
well, even though i fell from my ladder last year and broke my feet, im still doing it in the trad way. WFP sounds good as you can do it from the ground without to much risk, but it is an expensive set up compared with wot we need for trad work, and seems like a lot of hassel e.g purifying ya water at home, carting it around in a big van, refilling here and there etc etc and the list goes on!
there is an art to doing it trad which has been around for years, you can feel it when your doing the job that it seems more.....special and unique than using a wfp.
people do have accidents on ladders (sometimes) but we learn from our mistakes and carry on!
its a shame that this old traditional way of working seems to be getting pushed out because of the modern way and rules and safety laws introduced!
i know this is probably due to the amount of accidents etc via ladder useage, but it would be such a shame if it became obsolite......a bit like an animal becoming extinct!?
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well you are a bit of an animal Denis ;D
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lol...it has been said sir ;) GRRrrrr!
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well, even though i fell from my ladder last year and broke my feet ...
people do have accidents on ladders (sometimes) but we learn from our mistakes and carry on!
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its a shame that this old traditional way of working seems to be getting pushed out because of the modern way and rules and safety laws introduced!
i know this is probably due to the amount of accidents etc via ladder useage, but it would be such a shame if it became obsolite......a bit like an animal becoming extinct!?
Denis - you fell off a ladder and broke your feet! And you carry on? How is that learning from your mistakes? (With respect.)
I don't know how old you are, but that damage may come back and haunt you sooner than you think. Especially climbing up and down ladders.
Please think again.
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ive learnt by my mistakes, as in i'm very careful with the ladder when i use it, make sure the angle is safe and dont take any risks.
I cant afford a wfp setup anyway or a van for that matter. i use an estate car for work and to carry my kids etc around in. cant afford to run a van aswel as a car and i have just the one carparking space :)
maybe one day i will do wfp, who knows. but at the moment, as long as i think about my safety on the ladder and of my workmates then there shouldnt be a problem!?
i dont go up to high anyway so thats some of the risk eliminated!