Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tlwcs on April 28, 2025, 08:50:12 am
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For those that don’t follow him he has reviewed a hotbox at a reasonable cost.
Worth a look to those considering hot water or a move away from an immersion element for hot on demand.
Tony
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQQvVYoJ1vA
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Looks great & a much more realistic price.
I’d be interested to hear what others think, especially Spruce.
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
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Is this the same squeaky clean Dave who said stainless steel springs didn't work in univalves? As they were....... Um.... Not springy enough🤔🤣🤣🤣
Stainless steel springs are just as 'springy' as the cheap, poor quality springs that come as standard, it's just that they last 10 times longer!! Makes you wonder who he's working for 🤔😉
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
He shows it running at 55*. I currently use an immersion but have taken a punt on this for the money.
The company only has one review, and that is poor so I’ve wiped it on a credit card so I have some protection if it’s pants.
Dave is normally quite good though.
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To be fair, I know Dave, and he is a fantastic chap and completely honest in what he does.
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
He shows it running at 55*. I currently use an immersion but have taken a punt on this for the money.
The company only has one review, and that is poor so I’ve wiped it on a credit card so I have some protection if it’s pants.
Dave is normally quite good though.
To be fair i turned it off as soon as he said 5kw ;D
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
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I heard Webasto discontinued their 5.2kw heaters and they seem to be refurbished Webasto Thermo Top C units. Only the brand new units come with a 3 year warranty so well worth finding out before one buys. I've had mine (9kw) for over 5 years now and still going strong so they seem to be bomb proof.
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
My opinion is it’d be nice having hot water, but it won’t make you any more money, it’ll only reduce your profit. The cost to buy it and then run it is going to cost more than any benefits.
There is no way it’s going to make you more money as you’re still cleaning the same amount of windows each day.
Anyway, I can’t be bothered to watch the whole video, does it recirculate through the tank? Does it have a frost stat to stop water freezing overnight?
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Hot water definitely allows me to work faster, and makes my day much more enjoyable.
Supple hoses, less tangles, birds mess and green facias are a doddle to clean.
I agree it can be a decent amount of outlay, but I’d happily purchase another heater when I have to replace mine.
My grippatank heater is currently 6 years old and still going strong.
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
Stick with cold water then.
Rather you than me though as I absolutely hate cleaning with cold water whether it's summer or winter.
This time of year the water is very hot so really helps with pollen spots,bee poo and of course bird droppings
I still clean f/s/g and conny roof jobs for some existing customers and it defo helps
In winter it's more about manageable,warm hose,better flow to the brush and warm hands.
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Looks great & a much more realistic price.
I’d be interested to hear what others think, especially Spruce.
I got a bit bored watching this tbh. Sorry Dave, but you need to present this video in a more professional manner if you want to make a sales commission from each unit someone buys with your link/code.
A Thermo Top C 5.2kw heater could only warm my test bench heater from a cold water temperature of 8 degrees to 35 degrees. Those V jet nozzles are tiny, so the heater was definitely not heating a high water flow rate IMHO, hence the reason why he managed to keep the heat up. A brush with 2mm jets will change things a bit heat wise.
What he never touched on was what provision was made to stop the heater switching off and back on again (cycling) once the internal coolant temperature reached its maximum temperature.
The new 5kw diesel heater is the Thermo Top Evo which replaces the Thermo Top C. However, the Chinese are making a copy of the Thermo Top C and selling it as brand new.
The same factory is selling 9kw Webasto Thermo 90s and ST. Webasto have discontinued this model and replaced it with Thermo Pro 90.
For all I know, it could be the same factory making current Webasto diesel heaters sold under the Webasto name in Europe at Webasto high prices.
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Ever wondered where all these refurbished thermo tops are coming from? I have, especially as all the accessories and the unit itself looks brand new.
I asked a seller on eBay once and was told they come from narrow boats. ;D
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Looks like he’s using the purple pole hose like me! Flexi-5 all the way!
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
On monthly cleans it's not going to make you any quicker, as you do the same amount of strokes whether it's hot or cold water.
It's basically £1600 to keep your hands warm through the winter, and I'm not going to lie, having your hands warm in winter makes a massive difference to your working day and will make it less of an effort to go out when its cold, or even staying out when it's cold, so it will pay for itself when you factor in that side of it.
For £1600 I'd say it's worth it. Someone's said they have ordered one, I'm going to see what they think of it when it comes, and if everything seems okay with it. Il buy one at that price.
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
On monthly cleans it's not going to make you any quicker, as you do the same amount of strokes whether it's hot or cold water.
It's basically £1600 to keep your hands warm through the winter, and I'm not going to lie, having your hands warm in winter makes a massive difference to your working day and will make it less of an effort to go out when its cold, or even staying out when it's cold, so it will pay for itself when you factor in that side of it.
For £1600 I'd say it's worth it. Someone's said they have ordered one, I'm going to see what they think of it when it comes, and if everything seems okay with it. Il buy one at that price.
Hi Tam. I’ve ordered one, it’s in transit.
25 years in it’s all about comfort/convenience for me. Extreme poles, electric reel and hot water makes the day more bearable.
I see this as a step up from the immersion element I use.
As long as it’s reliable, creates water hot to the touch, I will be well happy..
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Only 5kw it won't get that hot.
Genuine question... how hot does it need to get then?
I still struggle with being convinced hot water is faster on routine maintenance cleans. Were all creatures of habit and work to our own default speed, it would be hard to break that habit after all these years. 1st cleans and facias, yeah, i can get that but as an established wc who rarely does facias these days and lets face it, not all 1st cleans are that dirty, plus an additional £25 a week plus initial outlay to recoup.... ??? Squeaky says it will pay for itself over winter yet there seems to be an increasing number of hot water users on here who wont go out when its freezing!!! why is that? Genuine question again, are they scared of breaking a window given temperature extremes of water against freezing glass? Seems bizarre that they don't when this is a perfect opportunity to work when us cold water boys cant. Im definitely not knocking hot water users and at this price for the heater itself then it certainly starts to warrant a further look, but im still yet to see a convincing argument for it.
Also, whilst i have a lot of time for Squeaky, telling viewers he gets a commission on sales for it through his link sort of nullifies his impartiality.
On monthly cleans it's not going to make you any quicker, as you do the same amount of strokes whether it's hot or cold water.
It's basically £1600 to keep your hands warm through the winter, and I'm not going to lie, having your hands warm in winter makes a massive difference to your working day and will make it less of an effort to go out when its cold, or even staying out when it's cold, so it will pay for itself when you factor in that side of it.
For £1600 I'd say it's worth it. Someone's said they have ordered one, I'm going to see what they think of it when it comes, and if everything seems okay with it. Il buy one at that price.
Hi Tam. I’ve ordered one, it’s in transit.
25 years in it’s all about comfort/convenience for me. Extreme poles, electric reel and hot water makes the day more bearable.
I see this as a step up from the immersion element I use.
As long as it’s reliable, creates water hot to the touch, I will be well happy..
Do a review of it on here agter you have had it a few weeks and tell us what it's like.
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Here is another hot water diesel heater. It looks like an Eberspatcher/Webasto furnace, but not totally sure.
What ever, he has incorporated a simple back to tank bypass to stop cycling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=516qlsneZAk
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imo hot water is quicker bird poo, pollen ,cob webs. snail trails all come off a lot quicker with hot then you have easy hoses to reel in water flows faster through the hose then if you add 10 mill of dimond shine its quicker again ;D
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imo hot water is quicker bird poo, pollen ,cob webs. snail trails all come off a lot quicker with hot then you have easy hoses to reel in water flows faster through the hose then if you add 10 mill of dimond shine its quicker again ;D
Even luke-warm water in winter makes all the difference to hose management.
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Which is why at £1600 I’m thinking it may be worth a punt?
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I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.
I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.
I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.
If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.
The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.
My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.
Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼
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The only time I've ever found hose management an issue (8mm minibore) was when I made the mistake of getting hose from "cleaning spot", it really was a pita, but latest I'm using is from daqua as recommended by others on here and it's not an issue. Yeah I get the odd snag but nothing that concerns me. As for warm hands ;D, £5k plus £25 a week diesel and service costs buys alot of very good quality gloves. Anyway, surely the only time you touch the hose is when your reeling in and out and thats only one hand.
I'm sure I'd llke working with hot water but I put it n the same bracket as buying a new van. I'm sure I'd love driving around in a brand spanking new van but if won't make me any more dosh, it's my profits I'm spending. Each to their own.
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I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.
I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.
I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.
If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.
The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.
My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.
Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼
I’m at the time in life where it’s not all about the money but just making my life easier & this job more bearable. I can turn my hand to most things but for an unskilled job you aint gonna beat the money.
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What I can't understand is this. Most of us work for ourselves so why wouldn't we make it as easy as possible. The moment I changed over to wfp I forced myself to spend spend spend and make it the most efficient I could. Its all there now and the money pours in if I start early and work most of the day. Using hot water makes it that bit easier, I have found. I have never thought how much diesel I go through, I just see it as the cost to do the job. I suppose it all comes down to choice.
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I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.
I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.
I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.
If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.
The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.
My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.
Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼
Personally from my own experience this post seems crazy to me!
Using 8mm minibore AND cold water must make your working days much harder than they need to be. Ive used both and it's way way easier with microbore and hot water pumping through my system especially in winter!
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I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.
I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.
I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.
If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.
The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.
My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.
Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼
Personally from my own experience this post seems crazy to me!
Using 8mm minibore AND cold water must make your working days much harder than they need to be. Ive used both and it's way way easier with microbore and hot water pumping through my system especially in winter!
I honestly don’t know what you think is so hard about it daz?
I’ve got an electric reel, there is literally nothing about my working day that’s hard, except for awkward windows and very high work.
I use xtreme poles and and xtreme brushes.
I use 8mm hose for greater flow rate, and of course it’s better for winter work. 6mm is obviously going to be more like wire in winter.
If you’d struggle with my setup, then you need to work harder in the gym Daz, because it’s easy peasy.
I don’t see any major benefit to hot water, I’m not against it. I just prefer to keep costs down so I can spend the maximum amount of money on the things I enjoy.
Cold system is simple, no maintenance, no extra weight in the van, no extra batteries, no extra diesel. It’s just simple and effective.
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If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.
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If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.
Never found it a problem, just doesn’t affect my day at all…
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If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.
Never found it a problem, just doesn’t affect my day at all…
Funny how we all work differently.
I have an immersion for supple hoses in the winter. Reinforced pole hose on my reels (first 50 metres) - light as a feather.
No flow controller.
Extreme poles of course.
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If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.
Maybe one day i will though
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If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.
Maybe one day i will though
That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.
Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.
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If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.
Maybe one day i will though
That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.
Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.
It's all about what works for you or what you make work. We haven't had the heater on since the weather warmed up.
An extreme pole is important to you as it's an electric hose reel. We find a wheeled hose reel with outside ports and SLX poles work fine for us.
I purchased this twin operator diesel heater as spares or repair as it wasn't working. I paid less than a tenth of the price of a Heatwave today. I certainly wouldn't pay 5 grand for a new heater as I don't believe the benefits justify that cost.
I hate wearing gloves. Having a warm hose and warm pole does make it easier in the winter. But I don't believe it makes a huge difference in the cleaning rate. Maybe it's because we both share the heat. Mine leaves the heater at 55 degrees and my lads water leaves his at 47 degrees.
I use microbore hose and my son minibore. Although the microbore is easier to drag around as it's lighter, minibore definitely has a higher flow rate on the same controller setting. From a previous experiment, the pumps draws less current using minibore than microbore on the same flow setting.
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Yeah that’s why I use minibore spruce, the flow rate is better, especially in winter, the battery lasts longer and the hose is less wiry.
It’s looking likely I’ll be buying an E Transit Custom at some point in this tax year. That will mean going to cheap night rate EV tariff.
I could then experiment with an immersion heater as I’d have a very cheap night rate.
Ultimately, for me, a diesel heater is just an extra cost that won’t make me more money.
I absolutely agree having hot must be nice to use, but the cost puts me off big time…
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I was one of the first up here to run with hot water. Recently I was in a posh area and I saw another windy cleaner advertising he was a hot water cleaner. Its a good selling point when my customer points out there is steam coming off my brush. I run it everyday when I can because I believe its better for the heater to work everyday. Any machine should run everyday for 5 minutes to move the parts especially the pumps. Gas fitters are always busy in October because customers haven't run their heating since May and the pump can stick unless the closed system is clean.
Its funny, the moment I decided to forget about how much it cost me to run the heater, the work and money came in.
A new £15 clean per month has cost me £30 now and I have only did it twice. First clean I broke the grey vent above the patio door. Can't get the exact vent so have bought 2 grey vents at £30 so on the next clean I will replace both vents so they look the same. I will write it on the card to tell him but I used to clean his old house. I have to fix it or it would play in my mind and its a new home. Will keep the other vent in the van in case I break another on the new estate. Home builders are trying to cut costs and using cheaper stuff which doesn't help us when using the brush.
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If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.
Maybe one day i will though
That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.
Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.
It's all about what works for you or what you make work. We haven't had the heater on since the weather warmed up.
An extreme pole is important to you as it's an electric house reel. We find a wheeled hose reel with outside ports and SLX poles work fine for us.
I purchased this twin operator diesel heater as spares or repair as it wasn't working. I paid less than a tenth of the price of a Heatwave today. I certainly wouldn't pay 5 grand for a new heater as I don't believe the benefits justify that cost.
I hate wearing gloves. Having a warm hose and warm pole does make it easier in the winter. But I don't believe it makes a huge difference in the cleaning rate. Maybe it's because we both share the heat. Mine leaves the heater at 55 degrees and my lads water leaves his at 47 degrees.
I use microbore hose and my son minibore. Although the microbore is easier to drag around as it's lighter, minibore definitely has a higher flow rate on the same controller setting. For a previous experiment, the pumps draws less current using minibore than microbore on the same flow setting.
Hot water helps more in the warmer months as it's way hotter at the brush end. Don't you have lots of glass and frames with the little yellow bug spots on at this time of year Spruce? Lots of my work is covered in it as I'm semi rural as well as baked on bird muck. With cold water it takes a lot longer to scrub these off.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
Yes i use the same method too on some jobs, it can be problematic on some jobs if there's a lot of flowers underneath or really windy it also turns the plastic yellow on some jobs.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
Yes i use the same method too on some jobs, it can be problematic on some jobs if there's a lot of flowers underneath or really windy it also turns the plastic yellow on some jobs.
Yeah that’s true.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
You must be using a hot mix of hypo to be able to not scrub? I still have to scrub , I use about100ml -200ml in my 15 litre backpack, not brave enough to go stronger for the reasons I mentioned above.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
You must be using a hot mix of hypo to be able to not scrub? I still have to scrub , I use about100ml -200ml in my 15 litre backpack, not brave enough to go stronger for the reasons I mentioned above.
We use 5-1 mix occasionally the plastic will go yellow but it always goes back to white within a few hours we do still give a light scrub with the pole around bracket then good rinse usually comes up like new .
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Yeah that’s why I use minibore spruce, the flow rate is better, especially in winter, the battery lasts longer and the hose is less wiry.
It’s looking likely I’ll be buying an E Transit Custom at some point in this tax year. That will mean going to cheap night rate EV tariff.
I could then experiment with an immersion heater as I’d have a very cheap night rate.
Ultimately, for me, a diesel heater is just an extra cost that won’t make me more money.
I absolutely agree having hot must be nice to use, but the cost puts me off big time…
As long as it isn't a hybrid.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/goivVkSLKL8
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Yeah that’s why I use minibore spruce, the flow rate is better, especially in winter, the battery lasts longer and the hose is less wiry.
It’s looking likely I’ll be buying an E Transit Custom at some point in this tax year. That will mean going to cheap night rate EV tariff.
I could then experiment with an immersion heater as I’d have a very cheap night rate.
Ultimately, for me, a diesel heater is just an extra cost that won’t make me more money.
I absolutely agree having hot must be nice to use, but the cost puts me off big time…
As long as it isn't a hybrid.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/goivVkSLKL8
Definitely not a hybrid. Either full diesel or full electric.
By the way, that’s the old hybrid custom in the vid spruce. They were utterly useless.
The new hybrid has a 2.5l petrol engine. The same unit they use in the Ford Kuga Hybrid etc.
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I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference, where it really shines is on f/s/g / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.
With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!
You must be using a hot mix of hypo to be able to not scrub? I still have to scrub , I use about100ml -200ml in my 15 litre backpack, not brave enough to go stronger for the reasons I mentioned above.
You need to go much stronger than that!
A powerful rinse with my siftwash machine means no scrubbing at all, it’s great. Does need a good 3-4% mix though.
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Yeah that’s why I use minibore spruce, the flow rate is better, especially in winter, the battery lasts longer and the hose is less wiry.
It’s looking likely I’ll be buying an E Transit Custom at some point in this tax year. That will mean going to cheap night rate EV tariff.
I could then experiment with an immersion heater as I’d have a very cheap night rate.
Ultimately, for me, a diesel heater is just an extra cost that won’t make me more money.
I absolutely agree having hot must be nice to use, but the cost puts me off big time…
As long as it isn't a hybrid.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/goivVkSLKL8
Definitely not a hybrid. Either full diesel or full electric.
By the way, that’s the old hybrid custom in the vid spruce. They were utterly useless.
The new hybrid has a 2.5l petrol engine. The same unit they use in the Ford Kuga Hybrid etc.
Thanks. I've lost track of the twists and turns of the ev and hybrid markets.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
The Crafter will probably be next.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
And that’s why I will either stick with my 2.2 chain driven transit custom. Or go full electric.
No way I’m getting a van with a wet belt.
Mate of mine spends all his time sorting out failed wet belts. They are a ridiculous design.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
And that’s why I will either stick with my 2.2 chain driven transit custom. Or go full electric.
No way I’m getting a van with a wet belt.
Mate of mine spends all his time sorting out failed wet belts. They are a ridiculous design.
Me too. I will have to make mine last. If it doesn't, then that will be the end of window cleaning for me.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
And that’s why I will either stick with my 2.2 chain driven transit custom. Or go full electric.
No way I’m getting a van with a wet belt.
Mate of mine spends all his time sorting out failed wet belts. They are a ridiculous design.
I just had my wet belt replaced last week as my van is coming up for six years old. Ford wanted £1400, ended up getting it done at an independent garage for £1000.
I was about to pull the trigger on a new 2.5 hybrid Custom Sport with tailgate and twin sliding doors but think I’ll stick with what I’ve got for now as it’s only done 22k miles.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
And that’s why I will either stick with my 2.2 chain driven transit custom. Or go full electric.
No way I’m getting a van with a wet belt.
Mate of mine spends all his time sorting out failed wet belts. They are a ridiculous design.
I just had my wet belt replaced last week as my van is coming up for six years old. Ford wanted £1400, ended up getting it done at an independent garage for £1000.
I was about to pull the trigger on a new 2.5 hybrid Custom Sport with tailgate and twin sliding doors but think I’ll stick with what I’ve got for now as it’s only done 22k miles.
I’d go full electric if you do jump ship, I’m not sure the hybrid will be the most reliable. Having the engine cut in at high revs whilst cold. Just doesn’t seem logical. Also it’s a cvt, rather than gearbox. I think that has a lot of potential for problems.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
I'm looking at a 24 plate rather than the digital dash one. If vehicle manufacturers get overwhelmed with wet belt failures from lease vehicles then they will drop the idea. No one understands why they went with this design in the first place. There must be a good reason, I guess.
The Crafter will probably be next.
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There's a mini recall on the Ford Kuga Hybrids as they can catch fire. They are taking them in from June and tell you if the play up then get out of the car immediately as they can catch fire. Stay away from wet belts because they are a nightmare and VW are using Ford transits as their Transporters that why I want to stick with a Crafter.
And that’s why I will either stick with my 2.2 chain driven transit custom. Or go full electric.
No way I’m getting a van with a wet belt.
Mate of mine spends all his time sorting out failed wet belts. They are a ridiculous design.
I just had my wet belt replaced last week as my van is coming up for six years old. Ford wanted £1400, ended up getting it done at an independent garage for £1000.
I was about to pull the trigger on a new 2.5 hybrid Custom Sport with tailgate and twin sliding doors but think I’ll stick with what I’ve got for now as it’s only done 22k miles.
I’d go full electric if you do jump ship, I’m not sure the hybrid will be the most reliable. Having the engine cut in at high revs whilst cold. Just doesn’t seem logical. Also it’s a cvt, rather than gearbox. I think that has a lot of potential for problems.
That’s food for thought. I don’t know too much about the hybrid mechanically to be honest. I did look at reviews and they seemed to be favourable. When I was considering the one I mentioned I thought the residuals would be very good on it as it had twin sliding doors and a tailgate, meaning it would make a great conversion project for someone after I had finished with it.