[the king]

imo hot water is quicker bird poo, pollen ,cob webs. snail trails  all come off a lot quicker with hot then you have easy hoses to reel in water flows faster through the hose then if you add 10 mill of dimond shine its quicker again   

[Spruce]

imo hot water is quicker bird poo, pollen ,cob webs. snail trails  all come off a lot quicker with hot then you have easy hoses to reel in water flows faster through the hose then if you add 10 mill of dimond shine its quicker again 

Even luke-warm water in winter makes all the difference to hose management.

[Simon Trapani]

Which is why at £1600 I’m thinking it may be worth a punt?

[zesty]

I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.

I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.

I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.

If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.

The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.

My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.

Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼

[NBwcs]

The only time I've ever found hose management an issue (8mm minibore) was when I made the mistake of getting hose from "cleaning spot", it really was a pita, but latest I'm using is from daqua as recommended by others on here and it's  not an issue. Yeah I get the odd snag but nothing that concerns me. As for warm hands  , £5k plus £25 a week diesel and service costs buys alot of very good quality gloves. Anyway, surely the only time you touch the hose is when your reeling in and out  and thats only one hand.
I'm sure I'd llke working with hot water but I put it n the same bracket as buying a new van. I'm sure I'd love driving around in a brand spanking new van but if won't make me any more dosh, it's my profits I'm spending. Each to their own.

[Simon Trapani]

I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.

I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.

I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.

If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.

The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.

My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.

Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼

I’m at the time in life where it’s not all about the money but just making my life easier & this job more bearable. I can turn my hand to most things but for an unskilled job you aint gonna beat the money.

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

What I can't understand is this. Most of us work for ourselves so why wouldn't we make it as easy as possible. The moment I changed over to wfp I forced myself to spend spend spend and make it the most efficient I could. Its all there now and the money pours in if I start early and work most of the day. Using hot water makes it that bit easier, I have found. I have never thought how much diesel I go through, I just see it as the cost to do the job. I suppose it all comes down to choice.

[dazmond]

I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.

I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.

I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.

If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.

The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.

My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.

Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼

Personally from my own experience this post seems crazy to me!

Using 8mm minibore AND cold water must make your working days much harder than they need to be. Ive used both and it's way way easier with microbore and hot water pumping through my system especially in winter!

[zesty]

I’ve never really had a problem with hose management in the winter, perhaps because i use 8mm minibore, so it’s let ‘wiry’ than 6mm micro.

I still can’t make the numbers work, it’s another cost for no more profit.

I’d love hot water, but the cost to run these things and the initial outlay puts me off. Especially the maintenance, extra battery’s needed etc.

If I was going to actually make me more money, then I’d go for it.

The real way to make more money in this game is getting more work. Or better paid work.

My round is at a lovely sweet spot these days, nothing really needs to be added, it’s all in a very healthy place.

Be interesting to see how some of you guys get on with this cheaper heater 👍🏼

Personally from my own experience this post seems crazy to me!

Using 8mm minibore AND cold water must make your working days much harder than they need to be. Ive used both and it's way way easier with microbore and hot water pumping through my system especially in winter!

I honestly don’t know what you think is so hard about it daz?

I’ve got an electric reel, there is literally nothing about my working day that’s hard, except for awkward windows and very high work.

I use xtreme poles and and xtreme brushes.

I use 8mm hose for greater flow rate, and of course it’s better for winter work. 6mm is obviously going to be more like wire in winter.

If you’d struggle with my setup, then you need to work harder in the gym Daz, because it’s easy peasy.

I don’t see any major benefit to hot water, I’m not against it. I just prefer to keep costs down so I can spend the maximum amount of money on the things I enjoy.

Cold system is simple, no maintenance, no extra weight in the van, no extra batteries, no extra diesel. It’s just simple and effective.

[dazmond]

If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.

[zesty]

If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.

Never found it a problem, just doesn’t affect my day at all…

[AuRavelling79]

If it works for you then that's perfectly fine zesty however from my experience 8mm hose is just too cumbersome and awkward to use when 6mm is just so much more manageable,even worse without hot water.

Never found it a problem, just doesn’t affect my day at all…

Funny how we all work differently.

I have an immersion for supple hoses in the winter. Reinforced pole hose on my reels (first 50 metres) - light as a feather.

No flow controller.

Extreme poles of course.

[Stoots]

If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.

Maybe one day i will though

[zesty]

If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.

Maybe one day i will though

That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.

Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.

[Spruce]

If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.

Maybe one day i will though

That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.

Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.

It's all about what works for you or what you make work. We haven't had the heater on since the weather warmed up.

An extreme pole is important to you as it's an electric hose reel. We find a wheeled hose reel with outside ports and SLX poles work fine for us.

I purchased this twin operator diesel heater as spares or repair as it wasn't working.  I paid less than a tenth of the price of a Heatwave today. I certainly wouldn't pay 5 grand for a new heater as I don't believe the benefits justify that cost.

I hate wearing gloves. Having a warm hose and warm pole does make it easier in the winter. But I don't believe it makes a huge difference in the cleaning rate. Maybe it's because we both share the heat. Mine leaves the heater at 55 degrees and my lads water leaves his at 47 degrees.

I use microbore hose and my son minibore. Although the microbore is easier to drag around as it's lighter, minibore definitely has a higher flow rate on the same controller setting. For a previous experiment, the pumps draws less current using minibore than microbore on the same flow setting.

[zesty]

Yeah that’s why I use minibore spruce, the flow rate is better, especially in winter, the battery lasts longer and the hose is less wiry.

It’s looking likely I’ll be buying an E Transit Custom at some point in this tax year. That will mean going to cheap night rate EV tariff.

I could then experiment with an immersion heater as I’d have a very cheap night rate.

Ultimately, for me, a diesel heater is just an extra cost that won’t make me more money.

I absolutely agree having hot must be nice to use, but the cost puts me off big time…

[Scottish Cleaning Service]

I was one of the first up here to run with hot water. Recently I was in a posh area and I saw another windy cleaner advertising he was a hot water cleaner. Its a good selling point when my customer points out there is steam coming off my brush. I run it everyday when I can because I believe its better for the heater to work everyday. Any machine should run everyday for 5 minutes to move the parts especially the pumps. Gas fitters are always busy in October because customers haven't run their heating since May and the pump can stick unless the closed system is clean.
Its funny, the moment I decided to forget about how much it cost me to run the heater, the work and money came in.
A new £15 clean per month has cost me £30 now and I have only did it twice. First clean I broke the grey vent above the patio door. Can't get the exact vent so have bought 2 grey vents at £30 so on the next clean I will replace both vents so they look the same. I will write it on the card to tell him but I used to clean his old house. I have to fix it or it would play in my mind and its a new home. Will keep the other vent in the van in case I break another on the new estate. Home builders are trying to cut costs and using cheaper stuff which doesn't help us when using the brush.

[dazmond]

If hot made me earn more money i would invest but i just cant see how it would. The purchase and running costs must outweigh any minor advantage when scrubbing. Nice to have when its cold no doubt but its strikes me as more of luxury ,like a new van vs an old one but financially it doesnt make sense.

Maybe one day i will though

That’s exactly how I see it, if my working day was really hard work and cold water didn’t clean the windows properly, I’d jump at it. The reality is it’s just a luxury. I can count on one hand how many times a month I’m stuck scrubbing a stubborn bird poo. Even then, I just soak it, and then come back to it. It’s easy.

Hot is great, I’m sure, I’m certainly not knocking it, it just isn’t ’needed’.

It's all about what works for you or what you make work. We haven't had the heater on since the weather warmed up.

An extreme pole is important to you as it's an electric house reel. We find a wheeled hose reel with outside ports and SLX poles work fine for us.

I purchased this twin operator diesel heater as spares or repair as it wasn't working.  I paid less than a tenth of the price of a Heatwave today. I certainly wouldn't pay 5 grand for a new heater as I don't believe the benefits justify that cost.

I hate wearing gloves. Having a warm hose and warm pole does make it easier in the winter. But I don't believe it makes a huge difference in the cleaning rate. Maybe it's because we both share the heat. Mine leaves the heater at 55 degrees and my lads water leaves his at 47 degrees.

I use microbore hose and my son minibore. Although the microbore is easier to drag around as it's lighter, minibore definitely has a higher flow rate on the same controller setting. For a previous experiment, the pumps draws less current using minibore than microbore on the same flow setting.

Hot water helps more in the warmer months as it's way hotter at the brush end. Don't you have lots of glass and frames with the little yellow bug spots on at this time of year Spruce? Lots of my work is covered in it as I'm semi rural as well as baked on bird muck. With cold water it takes a lot longer to scrub these off.

[SB Cleaning]

I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference,  where it really shines is on f/s/g  / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.

[zesty]

I have been using hot for 5 years now...I don't use it on regular window cleaning it doesn't make a massive difference,  where it really shines is on f/s/g  / conservatory roofs/solar panelsand first cleans...I did a first clean the other day started off with cold but the velux windows were thick with algae and lichen cold never touched it the hot melted it away.

With SFG i just spray hypo on and then rinse off, I don’t even scrub anymore. Essentially I just softwash them, sooo much easier!