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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Bungle on April 02, 2020, 11:52:38 pm
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
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Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Who is offering us 80% of our net profit to stay home and chill?
Would you like to try again?
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So my question is what money are we meant to live on till june because seriously in a weeks time they are not gonna lift all the rules they have in place when he reviews it ,savings dont last long and not everyone has savings ,not worried about losing customers not bored just trying not to touch my savings i have which isn't a great deal so in all honesty im working to pay my bills hope this makes sence to you
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Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Who is offering us 80% of our net profit to stay home and chill?
Would you like to try again?
So your reason to go to work on Monday is that you don’t believe you will be given 80% of your net pay from the government?
There, I tried again.
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So your reason to go to work on Monday is that you don’t believe you will be given 80% of your net pay from the government?
There, I tried again.
Still got it wrong though.
The bit I highlighted in italics for you in my first post.
When did Rishi say that? I heard him say that we could claim the 80% and carry on trading.
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And to be honest if i carry on working and the government doesn't cough up then i wont be dissatisfied, maybe thats why they are telling window cleaner s and gardiner s to carry on so they can say you have all been working so no cash for you guys
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So my question is what money are we meant to live on till june because seriously in a weeks time they are not gonna lift all the rules they have in place when he reviews it ,savings dont last long and not everyone has savings ,not worried about losing customers not bored just trying not to touch my savings i have which isn't a great deal so in all honesty im working to pay my bills hope this makes sence to you
Thanks for your input. An honest answer.
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So your reason to go to work on Monday is that you don’t believe you will be given 80% of your net pay from the government?
There, I tried again.
Still got it wrong though.
The bit I highlighted in italics for you in my first post.
When did Rishi say that? I heard him say that we could claim the 80% and carry on trading.
Thanks for your input. So it’s a possible win win in your case.
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Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Who is offering us 80% of our net profit to stay home and chill?
Would you like to try again?
He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
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I am baffled by this . I don't get as much as most on here in earnings . the bragging and advise seems to have stopped .
they seem to be the ones going to work , panicking .
and all the advice and posts I have done get ignored . like I am a numpty.
exposes them . they all feel like tits working because they know its like working on Christmas day .
no body would work in this climate unless they really have to.
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Who is this busby geezer?
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
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Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
Yeh, who is Busby?
;D
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Who is this busby geezer?
Wasn't he the one who wanted police and army snipers shooting anyone who broke curfew?
Sounds like a mentalist to me.
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Who is this busby geezer?
It's Og; you know, Perfect Clean?
It's a joke because someone keeps replying to the wrong post.
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I am baffled by this . I don't get as much as most on here in earnings . the bragging and advise seems to have stopped .
they seem to be the ones going to work , panicking .
and all the advice and posts I have done get ignored . like I am a numpty.
exposes them . they all feel like tits working because they know its like working on Christmas day .
no body would work in this climate unless they really have to.
You've been on the cider again. I'm going to make a decent guess that your apology for posting when drunk and getting on like a mentalist was made when you were drunk. And you're repeating it all again.
You used to be known as Sparrow Legs. I remember you now.
A good suggestion would be to step away from the keyboard, but I don't think you will.
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I am baffled by this . I don't get as much as most on here in earnings . the bragging and advise seems to have stopped .
they seem to be the ones going to work , panicking .
and all the advice and posts I have done get ignored . like I am a numpty.
exposes them . they all feel like tits working because they know its like working on Christmas day .
no body would work in this climate unless they really have to.
You've been on the cider again. I'm going to make a decent guess that your apology for posting when drunk and getting on like a mentalist was made when you were drunk. And you're repeating it all again.
You used to be known as Sparrow Legs. I remember you now.
A good suggestion would be to step away from the keyboard, but I don't think you will.
Sorry but I’ve got to ;D
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
I'll put my 80% worth in: I think it's all of the above. Maybe the last one not as much.
I don't blame anyone for working for valid reasons but some that I read are a little worrying. I can't believe the nervousness among a lot of window cleaners. I had one on the phone last night telling me what he was doing and how he'd lost customers before, after a spell out. I didn't tell him that a lot of people don't like him anyway.
A lot of window cleaners don't realise how serious this is. They are nervous but for the wrong reasons.
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Sorry but I’ve got to ;D
I do that at all the cider-fuelled hysterical posts.
This place would be boring without them.
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I am baffled by this . I don't get as much as most on here in earnings . the bragging and advise seems to have stopped .
they seem to be the ones going to work , panicking .
and all the advice and posts I have done get ignored . like I am a numpty.
exposes them . they all feel like tits working because they know its like working on Christmas day .
no body would work in this climate unless they really have to.
You're a little late to the party, Jim.
We did all the emotional stuff last week. We're all more hardened to this and accepting of others' points of view.
Only a very select few have not really been affected it. Even those that returned last week didn't do so without a lot of mental anguish. Those trying to play it cool are not really fooling anyone.
It's a lot easier for me because a lot of it is out of my hands anyway. But what I'm doing is right in my mind and I'm unwavering in that.
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
I'll put my 80% worth in: I think it's all of the above. Maybe the last one not as much.
I don't blame anyone for working for valid reasons but some that I read are a little worrying. I can't believe the nervousness among a lot of window cleaners. I had one on the phone last night telling me what he was doing and how he'd lost customers before, after a spell out. I didn't tell him that a lot of people don't like him anyway.
A lot of window cleaners don't realise how serious this is. They are nervous but for the wrong reasons.
Possibly it’s the thought of losing their business? I’ve always tried to be respectful to my customers and after sending out loads of texts saying I’m putting the business on hold I had over 170 texts back saying I was doing the right thing and they were sticking with me. Some haven’t replied to my text. I know for sure that over the coming months I’ll lose some work but at least I know I’ll have some sort of business to go back to. Many people won’t have a job at all.
May be I’m fortunate?
As I said, I’m not looking for an argument. Just trying to gauge why you feel the need to go out to work in the current situation.
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What a lot of people forget is that it's a two way thing.
We need customers and they need us. A good window cleaner is worth keeping hold of and everyone knows what's going on. There'll be loads of people thinking 'oh, I hope such-and-such comes back to do the windows. I don't want anyone else'.
If a customer isn't prepared to wait a few weeks or months for you to clean their windows then they weren't that good of a customer.
It's those with a load of commercial work that I feel sorry for.
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
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We are much more motivated I guess.
The grant is there to support businesses that 'can' t work' , not 'won't work' . Dont abuse it. The government have asked for the economy to continue by working from home where you can or in isolation if can't. The more you earn, the more tax you put back into the system. That's what they want unless you have symptoms and need to isolate.
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Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Who is offering us 80% of our net profit to stay home and chill?
Would you like to try again?
So your reason to go to work on Monday is that you don’t believe you will be given 80% of your net pay from the government?
There, I tried again.
I'd feel like a parasite burdening the Government for money at a time like this when I know I can go out and work full time hours window cleaning pay my bills including taxes whilst working safely.
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And to be honest if i carry on working and the government doesn't cough up then i wont be dissatisfied, maybe thats why they are telling window cleaner s and gardiner s to carry on so they can say you have all been working so no cash for you guys
I think you maybe spot on with that mate
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In answer to the OP
When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.
Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).
The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.
For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.
I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)
Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.
Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.
I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.
I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working?
this is why we are working...
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close – indeed it is important for business to carry on. (https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others/full-guidance-on-staying-at-home-and-away-from-others#going-to-work)
we are doing what we are being asked to do.
if the government ask us to stop we will
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I dont think the message from the Govt is ambiguous in any way.
You’ll get 80% of your average profits for the last three trading years.
The message was clear, there will be no lies, deceit, backdowns or anything else.
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Because I have been told by the government to carry on working..........simple as that.
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I am working because we don’t have any savings left , my other half is on full pay but sent home for 12 weeks as she is high risk , the problem being though is she is only 16 hours a week, it’s simply not enough to live on .
I also feel that the 80% grant may not come to fruition !
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
But looking from a different angle, if you qualify for £2500 a month, it will give you an idea of what you are potentially losing in income if you decide not to work when you’re perfectly entitled to do so.
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
My main reason is its instinctive for me to go to work....I've always been a grafter,also there is a fear of going back to my former life(where I lived hand to mouth and got myself into debt when I was a drinking alcoholic)and being on the bones of my arse financially .....even though I have money behind me I just cant stop working and wont unless the government enforce a stricter lockdown.
Another reason is my missus will need some financial support from me if this goes on for months as her income(and her daughter and sons)has disappeared overnight.....
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I am baffled by this . I don't get as much as most on here in earnings . the bragging and advise seems to have stopped .
they seem to be the ones going to work , panicking .
and all the advice and posts I have done get ignored . like I am a numpty.
exposes them . they all feel like tits working because they know its like working on Christmas day .
no body would work in this climate unless they really have to.
I'm working because I can......most customers are pleased to see me....👍
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I haven’t stopped working I’ve just carried on.
I have a good relationship with all my customers and they are happy to see me.
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Yea, sure your not with a question loaded with accusations and one way of thinking.
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I’m the same as dazmond.
I’ve always been a grafter I love working.
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?
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I’m the same as dazmond.
I’ve always been a grafter I love working.
Really?
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In answer to the OP
When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.
Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).
The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.
For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.
I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)
Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.
Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.
I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.
I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".
The thing is Malc, business is carrying on. It's to encourage us not to close our businesses in these difficult times.
It's the same with the employees. They are furloughed so that they might have a job at the end of the lockdown.
The government don't want to happen what's happening in America- a million unemployed in a week and more than that since.
They're saying to us, sit out the storm but don't shut up shop (see what I did there?).
They're giving us a loan to get a boat and a net instead of giving us a few fish, a week, indefinitely.
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.
Dry Clean is spot on.
Lot's of businesses are doing great; on-line retail for example. It's why Yodel delivery people are having a great time with no traffic.
Governments giving out the dosh to self employed who have been affected by Covid-19.
You're giving out false information.
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
You're just wrong and you shouldn't be giving out false information.
How do you know that your business hasn't been affected by the virus anyway? It's not even peaked yet and we're still locked down.
Dry Clean is spot on.
Lot's of businesses are doing great; on-line retail for example. It's why Yodel delivery people are having a great time with no traffic.
Governments giving out the dosh to self employed who have been affected by Covid-19.
You're giving out false information.
You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.
What are you going on about Yodel for? You do know why they didn't close, don't you?
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You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.
Because he's right and you are wrong and spreading fake news.
Speaking at the government’s daily press conference, Sunak said: “The government will pay self-employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus a taxable grant worth 80% of their average monthly profits over the last three years, up to £2,500 a month.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-uk-offers-self-employed-80-of-earnings
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You're wrong as well then. You're agreeing with Dry Clean, for crying out loud.
Because he's right and you are wrong and spreading fake news.
Speaking at the government’s daily press conference, Sunak said: “The government will pay self-employed people who have been adversely affected by the coronavirus a taxable grant worth 80% of their average monthly profits over the last three years, up to £2,500 a month.”
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/26/coronavirus-uk-offers-self-employed-80-of-earnings
Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?
Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
Incorrect.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585905000_Screenshot_20200403-100946.jpg)
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme
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Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?
Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.
You were wrong by telling Dry Clean that he's wrong.
He wasn't; he was spot on.
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
Yes, no proof needed. Most businesses have been affected, but you should have been affected.
Imagine I made anti-bac hand gels and sold them on-line. If I tried to claim that I'd been adversely affected by Covid-19 then I'm sure I'd get an investigation.
So government has used a broad brush to get us this payment, but it's not so broad that EVERY business will get it, because some will have made a killing.
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I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
You can't put two guys in one vehicle.
Job jobbed.
You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.
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I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
You can't put two guys in one vehicle.
Job jobbed.
You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.
Went in yesterday. I'm at 200 cancellations so far including most of my commercial work.
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
This is the win win situation we find ourselves in. Somebody is going to give us up to £2500 a month to sit on our backsides.
So does that mean you'll now have no problem staying at home with rest of the workshy?
Personally, if/when I work I'll be viewing the up to £2500 as free cash.
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
No you decided to stop earning money even though the government said it was ok for you to do so, I wonder is this the real reason behind some of the bile on here, when it comes to claiming the fact that many shiners where able to continue on as normal might go against those who didn't want to.
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Personally, if/when I work I'll be viewing the £2500 as free cash.
BoJo, best PM ever.
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Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?
Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.
You were wrong by telling Dry Clean that he's wrong.
He wasn't; he was spot on.
He was wrong. He said that you could only claim if...…..
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I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
You can't put two guys in one vehicle.
Job jobbed.
You've probably lost/got on pause a lot of commercial stuff too.
Royal mail have got around it and they have 60k employees.
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
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Show me where I'm wrong then.
You do know that Sunak said that during a press conference. Is it policy and how could they enforce it?
Now, tell me where I'm wrong and I'll show you that I'm not.
You were wrong by telling Dry Clean that he's wrong.
He wasn't; he was spot on.
He was wrong. He said that you could only claim if...…..
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585906191_OIPHHKUSA8T.jpg)
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Royal mail have got around it and they have 60k employees.
I'd imagine there's a list of key workers who can travel two to a vehicle, like ambulance drivers or police. Postal service will be classed as essential (we need our letters from the tax man, for example).
I doubt window cleaners would make the list.
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I have lost income due to covid-19 so I'm sitting this out for now and will receive the 80% grant. The 80% will cover all my bills no problem. I live in the countryside relatively isolated anyway so the lockdown doesn't really change much for my home life. To be honest, up to now I'm just enjoying it, making the most of a very unique situation. Spending quality time with my family in safety- something I have absolutely no problem continuing with.👍
Here's the information from the Government regarding the 80% grant. It's VERY clear and easy to understand.
Claim a grant through the coronavirus (COVID-19) Self-employment Income Support Scheme
Use this scheme if you're self-employed or a member of a partnership and have lost income due to coronavirus.
Published 26 March 2020
From:HM Revenue & Customs
ContentsWho can applyHow much you’ll getHow to applyAfter you’ve appliedOther help you can get
This scheme will allow you to claim a taxable grant worth 80% of your trading profits up to a maximum of £2,500 per month for the next 3 months. This may be extended if needed.
Who can apply
You can apply if you’re a self-employed individual or a member of a partnership and you:
have submitted your Income Tax Self Assessment tax return for the tax year 2018-19traded in the tax year 2019-20are trading when you apply, or would be except for COVID-19intend to continue to trade in the tax year 2020-21have lost trading/partnership trading profits due to COVID-19
Your self-employed trading profits must also be less than £50,000 and more than half of your income come from self-employment. This is determined by at least one of the following conditions being true:
having trading profits/partnership trading profits in 2018-19 of less than £50,000 and these profits constitute more than half of your total taxable incomehaving average trading profits in 2016-17, 2017-18, and 2018-19 of less than £50,000 and these profits constitute more than half of your average taxable income in the same period
If you started trading between 2016-19, HMRC will only use those years for which you filed a Self-Assessment tax return.
If you have not submitted your Income Tax Self-Assessment tax return for the tax year 2018-19, you must do this by 23 April 2020.
HMRC will use data on 2018-19 returns already submitted to identify those eligible and will risk assess any late returns filed before the 23 April 2020 deadline in the usual way.
How much you’ll get
You’ll get a taxable grant which will be 80% of the average profits from the tax years (where applicable):
2016 to 20172017 to 20182018 to 2019
To work out the average HMRC will add together the total trading profit for the 3 tax years (where applicable) then divide by 3 (where applicable), and use this to calculate a monthly amount.
It will be up to a maximum of £2,500 per month for 3 months.
We’ll pay the grant directly into your bank account, in one instalment.
How to apply
You cannot apply for this scheme yet.
HMRC will contact you if you are eligible for the scheme and invite you to apply online.
Individuals do not need to contact HMRC now and doing so will only delay the urgent work being undertaken to introduce the scheme.
You will access this scheme only through GOV.UK. If someone texts, calls or emails claiming to be from HMRC, saying that you can claim financial help or are owed a tax refund, and asks you to click on a link or to give information such as your name, credit card or bank details, it is a scam.
After you’ve applied
Once HMRC has received your claim and you are eligible for the grant, we will contact you to tell you how much you will get and the payment details.
If you claim tax credits you’ll need to include the grant in your claim as income.
Other help you can get
The government is also providing the following additional help for the self-employed:
deferral of Self Assessment income tax payments due in July 2020 and VAT payments due from 20 March 2020 until 30 June 2020grants for businesses that pay little or no business ratesincreased amounts of Universal CreditBusiness Interruption Loan Scheme
If you’re a director of your own company and paid through PAYE you may be able to get support using the Job Retention Scheme.
Published 26 March 2020
Contents
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
I've stopped earning money. I guess that qualifies as "impact".
No you decided to stop earning money even though the government said it was ok for you to do so, I wonder is this the real reason behind some of the bile on here, when it comes to claiming the fact that many shiners where able to continue on as normal might go against those who didn't want to.
Try not to worry about it dry.
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He was wrong. He said that you could only claim if...…..
Claiming otherwise would be breaking the law.
It's like me saying you can only have sex with someone if they give you consent.
And you say I'm wrong because you can ignore the 'if' part. ;D
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I noticed the bit about being 'adversely affected' too.
I know he's a journalist and not a government representative but I saw this on Martin Lewis moneysavingexpert
https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-self-employed-and-employment-help/
''Unlike the employee scheme, here you CAN keep working. You also do not need to prove coronavirus impact - all who qualify get it.''
If I did have to prove it I would say ''one customer said ''leave it this time because of coronavirus '', can I have my 80% now please?'
Yes, no proof needed. Most businesses have been affected, but you should have been affected.
Imagine I made anti-bac hand gels and sold them on-line. If I tried to claim that I'd been adversely affected by Covid-19 then I'm sure I'd get an investigation.
So government has used a broad brush to get us this payment, but it's not so broad that EVERY business will get it, because some will have made a killing.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585906101_grin[1].gif).
Well, if you're sure...……I knew there'd be an anti-bac hand gel loophole to the broad brush policy.
You do know that an investigation is not the same thing as not being entitled to the grant?
You can get investigated without claiming the grant.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585906101_grin[1].gif).
Well, if you're sure...……I knew there'd be an anti-bac hand gel loophole to the broad brush policy.
You do know that an investigation is not the same thing as not being entitled to the grant?
You can get investigated without claiming the grant.
Just admit you were talking bollox and then you wouldn't have to throw dead cats on the table. ;D
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You only qualify for the 80% if your business has been ordered to close or has been effected by the virus, mine hasn't been on both counts so ill continue to work, that said I'm no martyr to work so if somebody was to give me £2500k a month to sit on my backside I would have no problem staying at home with the rest of you workshy.
This is the win win situation we find ourselves in. Somebody is going to give us up to £2500 a month to sit on our backsides.
So does that mean you'll now have no problem staying at home with rest of the workshy?
Personally, if/when I work I'll be viewing the up to £2500 as free cash.
You might as well because you're going to pay it back anyway.
Rishi said.
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585906101_grin[1].gif).
Well, if you're sure...……I knew there'd be an anti-bac hand gel loophole to the broad brush policy.
You do know that an investigation is not the same thing as not being entitled to the grant?
You can get investigated without claiming the grant.
Just admit you were talking bollox and then you wouldn't have to throw dead cats on the table. ;D
No, I'm not.
Tax investigations happened before the grant and they will happen after the grant.
I'm just trying to allay more of your fears.
No one can honestly say that their business hasn't been adversely affected by the virus. Yet. We're two weeks in, for Klopp's sake.
Even if that was a prerequisite of the grant. Which it's not.
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No one can honestly say that their business hasn't been adversely affected by the virus.
Aye they can. Delivery drivers, truck drivers, anti bac gel manufacturers, bog roll manufacturers, and judging by some of the posts on the forum, whoever makes Toilet Duck.
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585906101_grin[1].gif).
Well, if you're sure...……I knew there'd be an anti-bac hand gel loophole to the broad brush policy.
You do know that an investigation is not the same thing as not being entitled to the grant?
You can get investigated without claiming the grant.
Just admit you were talking bollox and then you wouldn't have to throw dead cats on the table. ;D
No, I'm not.
Tax investigations happened before the grant and they will happen after the grant.
I'm just trying to allay more of your fears.
No one can honestly say that their business hasn't been adversely affected by the virus. Yet. We're two weeks in, for Klopp's sake.
Even if that was a prerequisite of the grant. Which it's not.
Best advice I can give you Griff is to not stand there knocking when all the lights are out buddy, you can't put a staircase in a bungalow pal.👍 Clearly, there are "issues" here.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
What has that got to do with the grant?
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
Ltd company, not guaranteed any income if we are locked down fully although I am hopeful I may be able to furlough, it's not yet clear.
Yes if I was offered 80% now of my real take home pay (salary and dividend) I would pack it in today.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
Exactly this for me also. I can’t help but think there will be a sting in the tail further down the line for the self employed expecting this 80%, especially those still working. It’s just seems too good to be true doesn’t it?
I’ll be getting a big fat zero in financial help anyway so I’ll carry on doing what I can to make ends meet in as safe an environment as I possibly can.
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
What has that got to do with the grant?
The list of qualifying reasons are there to see.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
You believe everything your told or nothing?
Exactly, everything he knows about this virus has come through government channels.
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
What has that got to do with the grant?
The list of qualifying reasons is there to see.
For SSP and other benefits maybe but not for the 80% grant. These are Two completely different benefits.
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In answer to the OP
When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.
Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).
The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.
For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.
I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)
Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.
Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.
I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.
I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".
The thing is Malc, business is carrying on. It's to encourage us not to close our businesses in these difficult times.
It's the same with the employees. They are furloughed so that they might have a job at the end of the lockdown.
The government don't want to happen what's happening in America- a million unemployed in a week and more than that since.
They're saying to us, sit out the storm but don't shut up shop (see what I did there?).
They're giving us a loan to get a boat and a net instead of giving us a few fish, a week, indefinitely.
wow! you honestly read the statement saying 'go into work if you cant work from home.... it is important for business to carry on' as stay at home and collect handouts?
if you need to close because you've lost your profits margins, or because your not well, or because your scared, or you cant work safely... whatever... that is your call. the government have said they'll cover you with their offer.
but to read a clear statement telling business to carry on if you can, as 'sit at home and stop work'... take some mind gymnastics that.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
You believe everything your told or nothing?
Exactly, everything he knows about this virus has come through government channels.
Wrong, the issue is- the level of confidence in the knowledge and advice given by the government and it's advisors regarding this virus. Neither is it an attempt to blame them for what isn't known.
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
What has that got to do with the grant?
The list of qualifying reasons is there to see.
For SSP and other benefits maybe but not for the 80% grant. These are Two completely different benefits.
Ok then show me where he says you don't have to be sick, self isolating or have lost work to claim the 80%, I couldn't find it but I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on this one.
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
You believe everything your told or nothing?
Exactly, everything he knows about this virus has come through government channels.
Wrong, the issue is- the level of confidence in the knowledge and advice given by the government and it's advisors regarding this virus. Neither is it an attempt to blame them for what isn't known.
So you believe nothing that the government has said about this virus ?
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
I believe the government regarding the “working safely “ aspect. They were clear. Got to work, if you can do so safely.
On the other hand the 80% self employed scheme has too many grey areas. It’s not clear.
In fact they said 5% of self employed people would miss out on this.
Who are the 5%?
They have been clear in saying go to work.
They haven’t been clear to say ones who can work outside safely will still be eligible.
That’s my stand currently.
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but to read a clear statement telling business to carry on if you can, as 'sit at home and stop work'... take some mind gymnastics that.
Griff's good at mental gymnastics.
Expect him to reply with some nonsense; it may even be incoherent nonsense.
It's his 'go to' tactic when he's cornered.
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Dry Clean,
Whether you decide to work or not you will still get the grant if you are self employed. According to MSE you won't have to prove anything.
I cut this from the MSE website.
You can't get statutory sick pay if you're self-employed. But if you have to take time off work because you're sick or self-isolating – or if you've lost all your income due to coronavirus – you might be entitled to claim benefits. Plus further help has been announced in the form of the new Self Employed Income Support Scheme (SEISS)…
What has that got to do with the grant?
The list of qualifying reasons is there to see.
For SSP and other benefits maybe but not for the 80% grant. These are Two completely different benefits.
Ok then show me where he says you don't have to be sick, self isolating or have lost work to claim the 80%, I couldn't find it but I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on this one.
Unless you lose zero income or profit due to the impact of covid-19 you qualify for the grant. I find it hard to believe that you will continue throughout this episode without losing a single account?
Claim a grant through the coronavirus (COVID-19) Self-employment Income Support Scheme
Use this scheme if you're self-employed or a member of a partnership and have lost income due to coronavirus.
Published 26 March 2020
From:HM Revenue & Customs
ContentsWho can applyHow much you’ll getHow to applyAfter you’ve appliedOther help you can get
This scheme will allow you to claim a taxable grant worth 80% of your trading profits up to a maximum of £2,500 per month for the next 3 months. This may be extended if needed.
Who can apply
You can apply if you’re a self-employed individual or a member of a partnership and you:
have submitted your Income Tax Self Assessment tax return for the tax year 2018-19traded in the tax year 2019-20are trading when you apply, or would be except for COVID-19intend to continue to trade in the tax year 2020-21have lost trading/partnership trading profits due to COVID-19
Your self-employed trading profits must also be less than £50,000 and more than half of your income come from self-employment. This is determined by at least one of the following conditions being true:
having trading profits/partnership trading profits in 2018-19 of less than £50,000 and these profits constitute more than half of your total taxable incomehaving average trading profits in 2016-17, 2017-18, and 2018-19 of less than £50,000 and these profits constitute more than half of your average taxable income in the same period
If you started trading between 2016-19, HMRC will only use those years for which you filed a Self-Assessment tax return.
If you have not submitted your Income Tax Self-Assessment tax return for the tax year 2018-19, you must do this by 23 April 2020.
HMRC will use data on 2018-19 returns already submitted to identify those eligible and will risk assess any late returns filed before the 23 April 2020 deadline in the usual way.
How much you’ll get
You’ll get a taxable grant which will be 80% of the average profits from the tax years (where applicable):
2016 to 20172017 to 20182018 to 2019
To work out the average HMRC will add together the total trading profit for the 3 tax years (where applicable) then divide by 3 (where applicable), and use this to calculate a monthly amount.
It will be up to a maximum of £2,500 per month for 3 months.
We’ll pay the grant directly into your bank account, in one instalment.
How to apply
You cannot apply for this scheme yet.
HMRC will contact you if you are eligible for the scheme and invite you to apply online.
Individuals do not need to contact HMRC now and doing so will only delay the urgent work being undertaken to introduce the scheme.
You will access this scheme only through GOV.UK. If someone texts, calls or emails claiming to be from HMRC, saying that you can claim financial help or are owed a tax refund, and asks you to click on a link or to give information such as your name, credit card or bank details, it is a scam.
After you’ve applied
Once HMRC has received your claim and you are eligible for the grant, we will contact you to tell you how much you will get and the payment details.
If you claim tax credits you’ll need to include the grant in your claim as income.
Other help you can get
The government is also providing the following additional help for the self-employed:
deferral of Self Assessment income tax payments due in July 2020 and VAT payments due from 20 March 2020 until 30 June 2020grants for businesses that pay little or no business ratesincreased amounts of Universal CreditBusiness Interruption Loan Scheme
If you’re a director of your own company and paid through PAYE you may be able to get support using the Job Retention Scheme.
Published 26 March 2020
Contents
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I’m still working because I feel I can do so safely, and the government/Experts are encouraging me to do so.
I also feel that we won’t be eligible for the 80% scheme and id rather not be a burden on the government having to accept a hand out.
Let me know when the first window cleaner receives contact from HMRC saying they are eligible. I will be happy if that ever happens but I also won’t hold my breath.
So you believe the Government on one hand and not on the other?
I believe the government regarding the “working safely “ aspect. They were clear. Got to work, if you can do so safely.
On the other hand the 80% self employed scheme has too many grey areas. It’s not clear.
In fact they said 5% of self employed people would miss out on this.
Who are the 5%?
They have been clear in saying go to work.
They haven’t been clear to say ones who can work outside safely will still be eligible.
That’s my stand currently.
The 5% are those with profits over 50k, ltd companies, self employed less than a year , not returned self assessments on time etc.
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No one can honestly say that their business hasn't been adversely affected by the virus.
Aye they can. Delivery drivers, truck drivers, anti bac gel manufacturers, bog roll manufacturers, and judging by some of the posts on the forum, whoever makes Toilet Duck.
You missed the 'yet' from my post.
We're just over a week since the chancellor's announcement and some of you are already knee jerking. I'm here to help, if you need it.
Btw, are all the above self employed? I'm pretty sure that a lot of them are not and they haven't been shut down and are not eligible for a grant anyway.
Would you like to try again?
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Dry Clean,
''Ok then show me where he says you don't have to be sick, self isolating or have lost work to claim the 80%, I couldn't find it but I'm more than happy to be proved wrong on this one.''
I'm pretty sure you won't find it. But that's got nothing to do with it. I think it's called negative proof fallacy.
Don't get me wrong. I felt the same as you with initial doubts on getting the 80% grant.
But it now seems clear to me that the government mean it when they say that about 95% of the 5 million self employed are going to get the 80% grant. I really don't think they would not stick to what they've said.
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''If you’re self-employed, you’ll get up to £2,500 a month in grants for at least 3 months''
It's on the front page.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
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In answer to the OP
When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.
Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).
The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.
For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.
I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)
Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.
Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.
I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.
I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".
The thing is Malc, business is carrying on. It's to encourage us not to close our businesses in these difficult times.
It's the same with the employees. They are furloughed so that they might have a job at the end of the lockdown.
The government don't want to happen what's happening in America- a million unemployed in a week and more than that since.
They're saying to us, sit out the storm but don't shut up shop (see what I did there?).
They're giving us a loan to get a boat and a net instead of giving us a few fish, a week, indefinitely.
wow! you honestly read the statement saying 'go into work if you cant work from home.... it is important for business to carry on' as stay at home and collect handouts?
if you need to close because you've lost your profits margins, or because your not well, or because your scared, or you cant work safely... whatever... that is your call. the government have said they'll cover you with their offer.
but to read a clear statement telling business to carry on if you can, as 'sit at home and stop work'... take some mind gymnastics that.
My business is still open, Richard.
It'll still be open after three months.
Government wants us to stay open. They are not telling us when to work, they are telling us to stay open, if we can.
Don't knee jerk, Richard.
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What a lot of people forget is that it's a two way thing.
We need customers and they need us. A good window cleaner is worth keeping hold of and everyone knows what's going on. There'll be loads of people thinking 'oh, I hope such-and-such comes back to do the windows. I don't want anyone else'.
If a customer isn't prepared to wait a few weeks or months for you to clean their windows then they weren't that good of a customer.
It's those with a load of commercial work that I feel sorry for.
Excellent post. Totally agree with the part about good customers waiting for you.
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''If you’re self-employed, you’ll get up to £2,500 a month in grants for at least 3 months''
It's on the front page.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
Only if you've been showing average profits at that level for the last 3 years.
The £2500 maximum =80% of profits > 100% = £3125 X 12 = £37500 p.a.
If you've been earning say £18000 don't think for a minute they will say "Fine here's £7500"
I'm sure the maximum you could claim then would be 80% of £1800 = £1440
Math boffins please check.
I'm being home schooled ;D
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''If you’re self-employed, you’ll get up to £2,500 a month in grants for at least 3 months''
It's on the front page.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
And you can claim if you're sick.
Here we are trying to help out and we get all this stick. I think we should be classed as frontline.
People are going to work out of fear but going out into a pandemic.
We're here to help.
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''If you’re self-employed, you’ll get up to £2,500 a month in grants for at least 3 months''
It's on the front page.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
Only if you've been showing average profits at that level for the last 3 years.
The £2500 maximum =80% of profits > 100% = £3125 X 12 = £37500 p.a.
If you've been earning say £18000 don't think for a minute they will say "Fine here's £7500"
I'm sure the maximum you could claim then would be 80% of £1800 = £1440
Math boffins please check.
I'm being home schooled ;D
I do English too, Granny.
Some call it mental gymnastics though.
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''If you’re self-employed, you’ll get up to £2,500 a month in grants for at least 3 months''
It's on the front page.
https://www.gov.uk/coronavirus
Only if you've been showing average profits at that level for the last 3 years.i
The £2500 maximum =80% of profits > 100% = £3125 X 12 = £37500 p.a.
If you've been earning say £18000 don't think for a minute they will say "Fine here's £7500"
I'm sure the maximum you could claim then would be 80% of £1800 = £1440
Math boffins please check.
I'm being home schooled ;D
That’s why Jackie says ‘ up to £2500 ‘
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In answer to the OP
When Boris made his announcement I was in London clearing out my youngest daughter's flat (Monday night) I had not planned to work the Tuesday and it gave me time to reflect.
Driving back from London late that evening there was a three way whatsapp conference call between my wife and (me driving) youngest daughter and my two eldest daughters (both married to Window Cleaners, one who had just lost her job).
The subject was whether to work, "moral" and personal decisions, could we work etc. etc.etc.
For the rest of that week I posted on here that I was thinking it through and that my personal view was that I should not work. My sons-in-law made their decisions to start again on the Thursday or Friday of last week.
I had read the regulations and I believed that the "stay at home" outweighed the "should go to work" in the government guidelines. (FOR ME)
Then I had a couple of calls from customers asking what I was doing as they were happy for me to clean with "social distancing" and I told them that for "the time being" I wouldn't be working but was "watching this space.
Some one on here referenced Lee Pryor's site (and that he had started his business working again) and his website referencing the relevant page of the government regulations. (Highlighted below in red)
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
So this made me think that I should re-evaluate. I have and I started working again with practical safeguards in place.
I have the "luxury" by good fortune and possibly rainy day saving to have been able to sit this out for far longer than 3 months; but I believe that FOR ME the balanced view is to work FOR THE TIME BEING.
I fully respect the view of others that they wish to follow the overarching view of stay at home but FOR ME AND MY WORK I believe that I can cover a significant proportion of it within Government guidelines on Social Distances and that as I can "I should work".
The thing is Malc, business is carrying on. It's to encourage us not to close our businesses in these difficult times.
It's the same with the employees. They are furloughed so that they might have a job at the end of the lockdown.
The government don't want to happen what's happening in America- a million unemployed in a week and more than that since.
They're saying to us, sit out the storm but don't shut up shop (see what I did there?).
They're giving us a loan to get a boat and a net instead of giving us a few fish, a week, indefinitely.
wow! you honestly read the statement saying 'go into work if you cant work from home.... it is important for business to carry on' as stay at home and collect handouts?
if you need to close because you've lost your profits margins, or because your not well, or because your scared, or you cant work safely... whatever... that is your call. the government have said they'll cover you with their offer.
but to read a clear statement telling business to carry on if you can, as 'sit at home and stop work'... take some mind gymnastics that.
My business is still open, Richard.
It'll still be open after three months.
Government wants us to stay open. They are not telling us when to work, they are telling us to stay open, if we can.
Don't knee jerk, Richard.
i honestly can't see what you mean.
if the government wanted us to close our business they wouldn't mean, sack your staff, stop trading a close your bank account, they would mean stop working unless you can work from home.
but hey ho, if thats what you want to do thats fine by me.
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They don't want us to close our businesses. You can be open but not working.
The grant is to help over the next three months, so that you can stay open even though you might not be able to work.
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Right, the employers grant and the self employed grant have the same aim.
It's so that many of us could have a job or business at the end of this. Hundreds of thousands, or even millions, of unemployed wouldn't be good for the government. And if you can do your bit to keep the economy ticking over in the meanwhile, great.
Thousands still will lose their jobs and businesses but the grant is like a kick start for the economy coming out of the lockdown.
It's much easier to re-employ someone that is already on your books and it's much easier to run a business that is already open.
There's no free money and there's nothing to be afraid of. It's a grant that you will pay back through the lessening of tax breaks.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?
Correct
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They don't want us to close our businesses. You can be open but not working.
The grant is to help over the next three months, so that you can stay open even though you might not be able to work.
But only certain businesses qualify for a grant
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Another point, it’s probably been debated already. As I said I’m not looking for arguments but if we do get the 80% and you make the decision to carry on working then basically when you do your tax return next year you will have only been paid for 4 out of every 5 houses you’ve cleaned over the period that we get the 80%. You could even see yourself moving up into the 40% tax bracket. Or to put it another way you will have worked one day a week for free. Yes I know some of you need money right now.
^^ that was probably as clear as mud but I know what I meant :D
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?
Correct
Incorrect.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585918973_Screenshot_20200403-140201.jpg)
If employers were having to pay 20% everyone would be sacked. Would be kinda pointless, don't you think?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-for-wage-costs-through-the-coronavirus-job-retention-scheme
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Another point, it’s probably been debated already. As I said I’m not looking for arguments but if we do get the 80% and you make the decision to carry on working then basically when you do your tax return next year you will have only been paid for 4 out of every 5 houses you’ve cleaned over the period that we get the 80%. You could even see yourself moving up into the 40% tax bracket. Or to put it another way you will have worked one day a week for free. Yes I know some of you need money right now.
^^ that was probably as clear as mud but I know what I meant :D
A maximum of £2.5k a month wouldn't see anyone go in the 40% tax bracket ?
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still working here as advised by scottish government,however i am unable to do lots of my better work due to closures,i will not make the same money as i was making but i am ploughing on just because i can,
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
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Another point, it’s probably been debated already. As I said I’m not looking for arguments but if we do get the 80% and you make the decision to carry on working then basically when you do your tax return next year you will have only been paid for 4 out of every 5 houses you’ve cleaned over the period that we get the 80%. You could even see yourself moving up into the 40% tax bracket. Or to put it another way you will have worked one day a week for free. Yes I know some of you need money right now.
^^ that was probably as clear as mud but I know what I meant :D
A maximum of £2.5k a month wouldn't see anyone go in the 40% tax bracket ?
If you qualify for the £2.5k per month, £7.5k in total and your work is unaffected, you could quite easily go into the 40% tax bracket, or 41% if you’re in Scotland.
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You are not Guaranteed to be contacted by HMRC it will be a long wait. Some people still have not received there 80% Wages as said they would .
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Like Degee and Gomo if I remember right , I don’t qualify for any handouts as a limited business director. So I will get into financial difficulty real quick . Not to mention the effect it was having on my stress levels
So as I absolutely can’t do my work at home and can maintain safe distancing at work I can work. The government is allowing it, my customers still want me and I’m showing no signs of the virus . This has all been said over and over already
Now if I was included in the help I might think again . But I would still be worried when that money would come in and how many hoops I would have to jump through. I just can’t imagine seeing a government deposit on my statement !
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
FAKE NEWS!
Stop getting it wrong. It can be spread via objects and surfaces.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
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The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
But you can't explain why?
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The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
But you can't explain why?
No surprise it's you asking this question Tosh.😘
Read it, think about it and see if you can see the irony!!
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The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
But you can't explain why?
'Cos he's from Cork!
Because he's finding the simplest of things hard to understand. I don't think it's the simplest thing to understand but it is simple to understand and he doesn't understand it.
Neither do you though.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
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It doesn't have to spread by person to person contact!
Plenty have had plenty to say about this over the past few weeks and they clearly don't know what they are talking about.
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It doesn't have to spread by person to person contact!
Plenty have had plenty to say about this over the past few weeks and they clearly don't know what they are talking about.
Correct. A lot here must think some other countries are spreading disenfectant over their streets for a laugh. And of course, that could be a sideline to offer from someone who does have all the softwashing gear, get out there, disinfect................ Wonga.........
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The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
But you can't explain why?
Off course he cant, like the forums idiot he doesn't realise that social distancing also means not touching things that others could touch after or before you.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?
So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?
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I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.
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It doesn't have to spread by person to person contact!
Plenty have had plenty to say about this over the past few weeks and they clearly don't know what they are talking about.
Correct. A lot here must think some other countries are spreading disenfectant over their streets for a laugh. And of course, that could be a sideline to offer from someone who does have all the softwashing gear, get out there, disinfect................ Wonga.........
Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ? when it comes to continuing to work Griff cant give a sensible answer as to why we shouldn't so resorts to his usual wibble to hide that fact.
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The first paragraph of dryclean's statement here is a Corker!!🤣🤣
But you can't explain why?
Off course he cant, like the forums idiot he doesn't realise that social distancing also means not touching things that others could touch after or before you.
Don't be ridiculous.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?
So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?
You said the government need to clarify as to who can and cant work and I'm saying it couldn't be any clearer.
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Many things you can pick it up from I’ve heard,it’s doing my head in though I haven’t been able to my Thai massage for nearly a month 🤣🤪🤪🤪🤪.
Think I’ll give the old Thai ones a miss from now on 😷😷😷😷😷
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I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.
Don't worry, according to Griff getting the virus from contact with other people is fake news.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
FAKE NEWS!
Stop getting it wrong. It can be spread via objects and surfaces.
Using social distancing to slow down the spread of the virus is fake news, you live and learn.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers [social gatherings) and social distancing, surely?
To summarise, Malc; their doors are closed and we don't have any to close. Apart from the likes of that capitalist Soupy.
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When it was first mentioned it was almost in brackets as long as they work on there own,we can’t see why it would be a problem as long as they keep to the 2 meter rule.
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Sean, are you and Tosh a tag team? 😂
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
You said this.
Why didn't you mention the other ways that it could spread?
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
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Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?
I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
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Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?
I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?
I can name at least person that is so confident in his social distancing because it includes not touching things that others could touch before or after him.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
He won't get it because he hasn't lost any profits from March 'til June.
And we're at the beginning of April (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585942786_grin[1].gif)
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?
So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?
You said the government need to clarify as to who can and cant work and I'm saying it couldn't be any clearer.
I said that asking the government to say who can travel to work so we can have peace of mind. I understand that you’ve interpreted that you can travel to work. All I’m asking for is concise clarification from the government, not a junked up journalist.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.
Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.
6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?
Correct
Where did you get this info from?
Government website disagrees with you.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.
Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.
6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
If it's open (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585944178_grin[1].gif).
And ours is.
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He didn't say you couldn't. Is it that frightening a prospect for you?
Busby asked a question; either answer it or chill.
I think it's a fair question.
Fair questions have to be honest; it was based on a false premise. The self employed are not going to be given 80% to 'stay home and chill'.
That implies that the government want us to stop working.
They don't.
Don't be daft.
The grant is available to most self employed people and they can't tell us what to do with it. They don't tell us when to work during normal times, so they can't tell us to work during a pandemic. Especially during a lockdown with the slogan 'Stay Home'.
The key point is that they don't want us to shut our businesses and cause them more problems. That is not the same as not wanting us to stop working.
It's no wonder many think that it's a free holiday (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585872546_rolleyes[1].gif).
Well this is what they are doing with the Employed. You only get UP to 80% if you pay your workers the other 20% of their wages. So if I have a worker who earns a £1000 per month the government are APPARENTLY going to give me £800 for them through the PAYE system and then I make the wages up to the £1000. If I only pay them 80% i.e. £800 then the government will only reimburse me £640. On top of that my workers MUST NOT WORK FOR ME. So if you all have the self employed bit right and you can have the 80% and go to work, employers are far worse off.
So you only get 80% of the 80% if you don't make it up to 100%?
Correct
Where did you get this info from?
Government website disagrees with you.
And so does that capitalist Soupy. Soupy is quite switched on.
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I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.
You're wearing masks in public?
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Gimp masks going by the other posts.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.
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Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?
I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?
You don't need to understand it clear, just keep away from other people, try not to touch their stuff or pee on their doorsteps.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
Where in my post did I say it didn’t spread?
Where in my post did I say you said it didn't spread ?
So what are you saying I don’t understand exactly?
You said the government need to clarify as to who can and cant work and I'm saying it couldn't be any clearer.
I said that asking the government to say who can travel to work so we can have peace of mind. I understand that you’ve interpreted that you can travel to work. All I’m asking for is concise clarification from the government, not a junked up journalist.
The government has told you that as long as you keep within certain guidelines you can work, it couldn't be clearer.
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https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do/coronavirus-outbreak-faqs-what-you-can-and-cant-do
I’m not a critical worker and I can’t work from home. What should I do?
If you cannot work from home then you can still travel to work. This is consistent with the Chief Medical Officer’s advice.
Critical workers are those who can still take their children to school or childcare. This critical worker definition does not affect whether or not you can travel to work – if you are not a critical worker, you may still travel to work provided you cannot work from home.
Anyone who has symptoms or is in a household where someone has symptoms should not go to work and should self-isolate.
6. How can I find out if my work is essential or not?
The government is not saying only people doing “essential” work can go to work. Anyone who cannot work from home can still go to work.
There's a list of key workers, you can google it, shiners aren't on it, and yes if you have symptoms or a family member who lives with you has symptoms you have to self isolate for 7 days, before the lockdown it was 14 days if you had been in contact with someone who had tested positive for the virus.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
Work it out ? without doubt its the stupidest thing that anybody has ever written on here, I only put the lol reply to stop you deleting it, happy reading when you sober up.
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It's gone 2300 hrs (that's well past cider o' clock) and things are looking pretty calm here.
What's going on?
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I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.
You're wearing masks in public?
Peavey Wolfy goes the whole hog, masks, gloves, the full shebang...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585952645_1.jpg)
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Thats it i have decided to stay at home 😭😭😭😭
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Till monday 😁😁😁😁😁
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I put surgical gloves on when I leave the house and change them at each job so about 4 times a day 😂😂,I’m not looking forward to tomorrow it’s shopping day the riskiest day of the weekend.
Mind you we’ve had proper masks delivered today the ones with the filters in so we will be a bit more relaxed when we go shopping.
You're wearing masks in public?
Peavey Wolfy goes the whole hog, masks, gloves, the full shebang...
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585952645_1.jpg)
🤣🤣🤣🤣👍
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Name me one person on this forum who has said that it can only be spread by person to person contact ?
I can't. Because we all know it spreads in ways that we don't fully understand. We can agree on that bit , yes ?
You don't need to understand it clear, just keep away from other people, try not to touch their stuff or pee on their doorsteps.
Are those the Irish guidelines?
We do overcomplicate our understandings over here.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.
Pride comes before a Falls, Dryo.
You'll never know when you might need a helping hand, young fellow m'Jim.
I'm always here for you.....but make sure it's after closing time.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
Work it out ? without doubt its the stupidest thing that anybody has ever written on here, I only put the lol reply to stop you deleting it, happy reading when you sober up.
If that's the stupidest thing that you think anybody has ever written on here, I suggest that you look at my post history.
There's far worserer back there. I recently did a thesis that Eddie Large would liver forever and what happeneded.
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I've read all 9 pages of this and here's my penny's worth.
I'm staying home. After the lockdown was initially announced by Boris in his address to the nation I still went to work. When I came home my neighbour was in the garden and asked "Is window cleaning an essential service then?". I get on really well with her and I explained that I was permitted to work as I couldn't work from home. I worked through until the Thursday evening when Sunak announced the self-employed grant. Indeed I went to work on the Friday morning, then...
On that Friday, the 27th March: 1st customer was fine, 2nd was surprised to see me and let me know so, 3rd fine, 4th was again surprised to see me and made it clear I should be at home. I decided that long-term working during this partial lockdown might be counter-productive long term, both in terms of hacking people off and driving round in a sign-written van. Reluctantly I decided to stay home.
It didn't help because Boris was been ambiguous with what he originally said ("you can go to work if it's essential" - essential to who? did he mean key workers only?). It didn't help that on the evening of his address when the lockdown was announced the No. 10 Twitter feed published the wrong slide (see below - genuine screen shots from No 10. Twitter feed) quickly changing it after 20 mins by which time much confusion had been sown.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585978454_ET0-NqXWkAIHuKG.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585978455_ET0-NqWXkAQRF5G.jpg)
The grant is 80% of net profit UP TO £2500 per month. Not a flat £2500. It's also taxable, so will have to be declared, obvs. Direstors should be able to get 80% of their taxable salary (exc. dividends) if they are furloughed. For most this will be 80% of £12500, as that's when income tax kicks in and we all know why small company directors formed a company in the first place, to reduce their tax liability in an easy and legal way.
The 5% of self employed who will NOT qualify are those earning over £50k pa and those without 3 year's worth of tax records. Everyone else should get it...
Frankly no-one knows how the virus can be spread vis a vis surfaces. I've seen various accounts of how long it can survive on different surfaces. No-one knows. First masks were of no use to prevent you catching the disease, now they might be. It's all fluid.
Personally I think that working alone as a window cleaner on domestic jobs is one of the lowest risk jobs out there if sensible precautions are taken, but certainly I've been let know by some custies that I should be at home. I do worry that what was said on the telly when Sunak announced it (such as you can continue working and still get it) might be changed when it comes to June.
This is direct from the HMRC page "HMRC will contact you if you are eligible for the scheme and invite you to apply online." and "Once HMRC has received your claim and you are eligible for the grant, we will contact you to tell you how much you will get and the payment details." My italics. Will they deem me eligible?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme)
At the end of the day if I stay home I'm keeping myself, my family and my customers safe and not creating fear, annoyance or anxiety for those custies who don't want me (but might be reluctant to say so). In the long run I'm hoping my strategy will be for the best. I know everyone is different and no-one should judge anyone who IS going to work whilst permitted to do so.
Keep safe one and all.
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Since the lockdown Ive had four new customers call for a window cleaning quote. They’ve been visited, quoted, cleaned and paid.
One £1,350 pressure washing job enquiry which has been done.
Two walk ups outside my house enquiring about window cleaning.
An old customer enquiring about a gutter, fascia, conservatory roof and window clean.
Which part of ‘go to work if you cannot work from home’ means dont go to work?
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If it’s that boring go and do something.
I have.
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If it’s that boring go and do something.
I have.
Why the hostility?
Need a hug?
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If it’s that boring go and do something.
I have.
Why the hostility?
Need a hug?
Isn’t hostility sweetheart, a suggestion.
Being bored isnt good for your mental wellbeing. Just trying to help.
BTW, you do a very good Tosh impression.
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OK. I'm not bored though but thanks for the heads up.
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Hi mate I’m doing about 3-4 mornings a week, but only the ones I text the night before and pay into bank, I’ve also had a few requests for us to come,in 3 weeks I’ve only had about 4-5 who said leave it,it’s as safe as going for a walk, but wear gloves, take care bungle
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I've read all 9 pages of this and here's my penny's worth.
I'm staying home. After the lockdown was initially announced by Boris in his address to the nation I still went to work. When I came home my neighbour was in the garden and asked "Is window cleaning an essential service then?". I get on really well with her and I explained that I was permitted to work as I couldn't work from home. I worked through until the Thursday evening when Sunak announced the self-employed grant. Indeed I went to work on the Friday morning, then...
On that Friday, the 27th March: 1st customer was fine, 2nd was surprised to see me and let me know so, 3rd fine, 4th was again surprised to see me and made it clear I should be at home. I decided that long-term working during this partial lockdown might be counter-productive long term, both in terms of hacking people off and driving round in a sign-written van. Reluctantly I decided to stay home.
It didn't help because Boris was been ambiguous with what he originally said ("you can go to work if it's essential" - essential to who? did he mean key workers only?). It didn't help that on the evening of his address when the lockdown was announced the No. 10 Twitter feed published the wrong slide (see below - genuine screen shots from No 10. Twitter feed) quickly changing it after 20 mins by which time much confusion had been sown.
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585978454_ET0-NqXWkAIHuKG.jpg)
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1585978455_ET0-NqWXkAQRF5G.jpg)
The grant is 80% of net profit UP TO £2500 per month. Not a flat £2500. It's also taxable, so will have to be declared, obvs. Direstors should be able to get 80% of their taxable salary (exc. dividends) if they are furloughed. For most this will be 80% of £12500, as that's when income tax kicks in and we all know why small company directors formed a company in the first place, to reduce their tax liability in an easy and legal way.
The 5% of self employed who will NOT qualify are those earning over £50k pa and those without 3 year's worth of tax records. Everyone else should get it...
Frankly no-one knows how the virus can be spread vis a vis surfaces. I've seen various accounts of how long it can survive on different surfaces. No-one knows. First masks were of no use to prevent you catching the disease, now they might be. It's all fluid.
Personally I think that working alone as a window cleaner on domestic jobs is one of the lowest risk jobs out there if sensible precautions are taken, but certainly I've been let know by some custies that I should be at home. I do worry that what was said on the telly when Sunak announced it (such as you can continue working and still get it) might be changed when it comes to June.
This is direct from the HMRC page "HMRC will contact you if you are eligible for the scheme and invite you to apply online." and "Once HMRC has received your claim and you are eligible for the grant, we will contact you to tell you how much you will get and the payment details." My italics. Will they deem me eligible?
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme (https://www.gov.uk/guidance/claim-a-grant-through-the-coronavirus-covid-19-self-employment-income-support-scheme)
At the end of the day if I stay home I'm keeping myself, my family and my customers safe and not creating fear, annoyance or anxiety for those custies who don't want me (but might be reluctant to say so). In the long run I'm hoping my strategy will be for the best. I know everyone is different and no-one should judge anyone who IS going to work whilst permitted to do so.
Keep safe one and all.
Your neighbour is a poopbag
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Your neighbour is a poopbag
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Why ? They've only interpreted the government advice same as rest of general public and asked a valid question. We've interpreted it differently to suit ourselves.
I'm not saying its right or wrong to be working btw.
I've worked the last week and have a a full days job booked for Monday. Beyond that I may review my decision as this situation escalates. In answer to the OP's question.......I've worked while safe and possible to do so, hand picking appropriate work that I know will carry a negligible risk to myself, customer or public, to put enough money in the bank to tide me over until I hear from HMRC in June. I've had only positive comments for this approach. Some asked me by text. Others I asked by text. Some I just turned up to and they saw me and gave a smile and thumbs up through the window. The only exception was a text last night. Customer thanked me and paid online, concerned for my health requested I stay home but she'd continue to pay me anyway , not that I'm going to accept free money from her, I will do from the government though. We'll all be paying it back in higher taxes/ni anyways whether we take it or not.
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I would say his neighbour is more of an idiot than a poopbag, probably a teacher or public sector worker sitting at home on full pay or married to one, 3months off on the sick yearly with full pay will be nothing new to most off them.
When this is all over and has to be paid for the first thing I would do is remove full salary sick pay for all public sector workers with the exception of our NHS staff who more than deserve it.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.
Pride comes before a Falls, Dryo.
You'll never know when you might need a helping hand, young fellow m'Jim.
I'm always here for you.....but make sure it's after closing time.
Believe me Griff pride has nothing to do with it, I have had been on the dole, luckily if wasn't for long as it wasn't a pleasant or financially rewarding experience, its also what makes me very suspicious of generous no strings attached handouts being promised by the government.
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BTW, you do a very good Tosh impression.
No he doesn't, he just cuts and pastes my stuff. :-\
The bloke has no panache.
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Isn’t hostility sweetheart, a suggestion.
But you're nicking my stuff too.
Stop it.
Go and get your own insults, ffs, and stop using mine.
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It can't be your 'stuff'.
I have far more panache than you.
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Which part of ‘go to work if you cannot work from home’ means dont go to work?
If you work in a pub.
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Question for Griff.
With the exception of the organisations covered above in the section on closing certain businesses and venues, the government has not required any other businesses to close - indeed it is important for business to carry on.
The bit in red.
The businesses which the government has closed are bars, restaurants, "non-essential shops" etc. - yes?
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
The bit in purple.
The "other businesses" are not required to close.
How do they "remain open" by your definition?
What is the difference in operation between businesses required to close by the government and businesses not required to close?
My business is open but I'm not working. Have I closed, temporarily? Maybe. But I haven't closed my business and neither has my old local. It's not open but it's not closed.
But the open/closed thing is to keep people 'in work' even though they might not be working.
We know why window cleaners and gardeners are allowed to work but pubs are 'closed'. It's to do with the numbers, surely?
LOL.
Don't try and work it out, Dry.
You just worry about the grant, lad.
The grant's got him, I think it's the plain English part..... the same struggle as Tosh!!😬🤐
If I was interested in grants/handouts I would have spent my life on the dole, Ill pay my own way if you don't mind.
Pride comes before a Falls, Dryo.
You'll never know when you might need a helping hand, young fellow m'Jim.
I'm always here for you.....but make sure it's after closing time.
Believe me Griff pride has nothing to do with it, I have had been on the dole, luckily if wasn't for long as it wasn't a pleasant or financially rewarding experience, its also what makes me very suspicious of generous no strings attached handouts being promised by the government.
The chancellor mentioned a string. We'll get less tax breaks. Pay it back in some way. We always do.
It's an economic decision that is will also help the government too, hopefully.
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I'm working because I have no savings.
I can't wait until June for money.
I'm also working because I'm allowed to.
But I'm also staying safe..
All my customers are at home , so I signal to them to pay online without leaving a slip (most of them ).
Those who pay cash leave it on a wheelie bin or something. Then the cash goes in a carrier bag and stays untouched for a couple of days..
I decided to return to work on Monday and I have not been in contact with one person all week . From a distance everyone is happy to see me, as are dog walkers and passers by , strangers wave and chat from a good distance.
One passer by said its nice to see me, it brings a little normality to the street.
I live alone and work alone.
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Some good advice for those who're still working...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHWVYl5eDMg&feature=youtu.be
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The chancellor mentioned a string. We'll get less tax breaks. Pay it back in some way. We always do.
It's an economic decision that is will also help the government too, hopefully.
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Yep, he's going to make sure that our National Insurance matches those on PAYE. Currently we pay less. Hopefully though there will be parity in welfare benefits too.
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We don’t get enough benefits being self employed anyway,I think anyone being there own boss having the get up and go to get out in the morning and earn there own living should get more breaks.
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The way I see it atm is the 5% who will lose out are the directors and people who earn over £50k. On one hand I think the government will look after us and on the other I think they won’t. They have thrown money all over the shop though so I’m inclined to think they’re going to bail us all out and have us pay it back through taxes when we’re on the other side. I do have a niggling suspicion that they will weasel out of it for us. They’re Tories, Tories don’t splash the cash normally. Yes I know it’s not normal circumstances.
I think the government really need to clarify who can travel to work. We are in a unique position where our work involves travel to work and having to work in different places. I’m trying to think of how many trades are similar to us...gardeners, mobile car valeters any more? I just googled mobile car valeting forums to see if they were working/staying home but I didn’t find anything.
Why do so many find the simplest of things so hard to understand, the virus spreads from person to person by contact which is why we are using social distancing to slow it down.
Therefore if you are able to practice social distancing while working you can work, it couldn't be any clearer.
That could seriously mislead some window cleaners. They might have to work it out on a desk on their front seat.
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If they told me the country wouldn’t suffer if we all had to pay another £50 a month Nat Ins I’d happily pay it to help cover the debts.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
No need to worry about it. It’s definitely going to happen. Nothing you or I can do about it.
Going to be a bad un too.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
No need to worry about it. It’s definitely going to happen. Nothing you or I can do about it.
Going to be a bad un too.
A recession brings opportunities.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
No need to worry about it. It’s definitely going to happen. Nothing you or I can do about it.
Going to be a bad un too.
A recession brings opportunities.
The last recession brought on my the banking crisis seen a 0.5% drop in GDP they reckon this one will be closer to 15%, some are even saying it could be as much as 35%, even at 15% its bound to have a knock on effect on our businesses.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
No need to worry about it. It’s definitely going to happen. Nothing you or I can do about it.
Going to be a bad un too.
A recession brings opportunities.
The last recession brought on my the banking crisis seen a 0.5% drop in GDP they reckon this one will be closer to 15%, some are even saying it could be as much as 35%, even at 15% its bound to have a knock on effect on our businesses.
I think you've got that wrong.
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Anything is better than having to worry about a recession.
No need to worry about it. It’s definitely going to happen. Nothing you or I can do about it.
Going to be a bad un too.
A recession brings opportunities.
The last recession brought on my the banking crisis seen a 0.5% drop in GDP they reckon this one will be closer to 15%, some are even saying it could be as much as 35%, even at 15% its bound to have a knock on effect on our businesses.
I think you've got that wrong.
You're right is was between 6% and 8%
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More window cleaners out there if we do get a lot of people unemployed..
Easy industry to start and run.
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That thought occurred to me a few days ago.
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There will definitely be more start ups.
I have had 2 customers call me because someone has been going round telling them "your old window cleaner is not coming back anymore, I am your new window cleaner".
Also last week some customers at some flats in another area I clean told me the same thing, most did not bite but 3 did have their windows cleaned by him. They were not happy with his work so I still cleaned them again.
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That’s an old 1 lol your old window cleaner has packed up,go back in a months time and say he won’t be coming anymore either he’s got 2 broken wrists and a nose like a cobblers thumb now.
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More window cleaners out there if we do get a lot of people unemployed..
Easy industry to start and run.
Its still hard to make a decent living from window cleaning.it takes years of dedication and hard work....
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
At present, a couple of customers have said "I wondered if you'd be carrying on". I'm glad we have, albeit at a reduced level. It means when we're unlocked we won't have a massive backlog which will - again - take time to get around.
Less chance of losing customers, and since we won't have a massive backlog, I'll have time to take on new ones (I don't tend to follow calls up when we've a backlog).
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Its still hard to make a decent living from window cleaning.it takes years of dedication and hard work....
We had a local guy about five years ago make a massive 'splash'. He'd leafletted EVERYWHERE - decent leaflet too - offering half price cleans for the first four months. Tom (from this forum called him 'Mr 50% guy'). Another window cleaner here asked me if he was legit because his granny wanted him.
He'd got a big - nicely sign written van - and he was everywhere - working his guts out.
I was quite impressed with his determination.
Unfortunately I've not seen him around in a couple of years. ;D
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Its still hard to make a decent living from window cleaning.it takes years of dedication and hard work....
We had a local guy about five years ago make a massive 'splash'. He'd leafletted EVERYWHERE - decent leaflet too - offering half price cleans for the first four months. Tom (from this forum called him 'Mr 50% guy'). Another window cleaner here asked me if he was legit because his granny wanted him.
He'd got a big - nicely sign written van - and he was everywhere - working his guts out.
I was quite impressed with his determination.
Unfortunately I've not seen him around in a couple of years. ;D
He should have known better than to wear those concrete wellies. ;D
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He should have known better than to wear those concrete wellies. ;D
We're not like that around here.
But that made me larf. ;D
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Do you think all that will be in place in less than three weeks?
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
i remember visiting my Grandma on the day of the twin towers. There was someone on the news saying nothing would ever be the same again after that.
she was really annoyed and irritated with what they said. she said bad things have always happened. she said she had lived though far worse events than that and the truth is things did go back to normal the world moved on.
just read your history. read about the battle of the Somme, or the blitz, or the nazi holocaust... and that is just the last century in europe.
the really crazy things about humans is we are crazy adaptable and we move on.
yeh of course some people will never be able to go out again. there were people with mental health problems before this who couldn't leave their own home. there will be some people who this has hit hard and their mental health deteriorates as a result.
the truth is most people will process it, and then carry on. some worse off financially. some health wise.
maybe just a little bit more grateful for what they have got.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
i remember visiting my Grandma on the day of the twin towers. There was someone on the news saying nothing would ever be the same again after that.
she was really annoyed and irritated with what they said. she said bad things have always happened. she said she had lived though far worse events than that and the truth is things did go back to normal the world moved on.
just read your history. read about the battle of the Somme, or the blitz, or the nazi holocaust... and that is just the last century in europe.
the really crazy things about humans is we are crazy adaptable and we move on.
yeh of course some people will never be able to go out again. there were people with mental health problems before this who couldn't leave their own home. there will be some people who this has hit hard and their mental health deteriorates as a result.
the truth is most people will process it, and then carry on. some worse off financially. some health wise.
maybe just a little bit more grateful for what they have got.
Well said, Richard.
Some are getting hysterical about it. I washed my hands before all this and I don't mind supermarkets being less congested.
They'll have to get used to it.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
Great! I hope you’re right. Everywhere’s too crowded anyway (or was).
Looking forward to quieter pubs, shops, cafes etc when this is over.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
i remember visiting my Grandma on the day of the twin towers. There was someone on the news saying nothing would ever be the same again after that.
she was really annoyed and irritated with what they said. she said bad things have always happened. she said she had lived though far worse events than that and the truth is things did go back to normal the world moved on.
just read your history. read about the battle of the Somme, or the blitz, or the nazi holocaust... and that is just the last century in europe.
the really crazy things about humans is we are crazy adaptable and we move on.
yeh of course some people will never be able to go out again. there were people with mental health problems before this who couldn't leave their own home. there will be some people who this has hit hard and their mental health deteriorates as a result.
the truth is most people will process it, and then carry on. some worse off financially. some health wise.
maybe just a little bit more grateful for what they have got.
Well said, Richard.
Some are getting hysterical about it. I used to wash my hands before and I don't mind supermarkets being less congested.
They'll have to get used to it.
Griff talking about people getting hysterical, well one things for certain it cant get any loopier. lol
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
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Going to buy a shotgun is not an essential journey.
Stay home & protect the NHS.
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I’m gonna start walking up and down my garden and get a go fund me page 🤣 bless him,seriously though you’ve got to get on with you’re life when this thing finishes you can’t live thinking about what ifs day to day you’d go mad.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
How could you put a shotgun to the side of your head? {without Jeremy Bamber helping you}
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
How could you put a shotgun to the side of your head? {without Jeremy Bamber helping you}
Sawn off he wasn’t the brightest spark was our Jeremy was he
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Coffee shops? Really? I’d have thought factories and any manufacturing companies.
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Coffee shops? Really? I’d have thought factories and any manufacturing companies.
Factories and manufacturing companies are still open non essential or other.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
It was happening before the lockdown NWH, the death of the high street, the death of the pubs, empty churches, even those who were still going out never took their face out of their phones, why go out and risk death when everything you need in life is right there on your computer screen.
My advice is to buy shares in any company producing vitamin D supplements.
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Coffee shops? Really? I’d have thought factories and any manufacturing companies.
Childrens clothes shops too.
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
How could you put a shotgun to the side of your head? {without Jeremy Bamber helping you}
Easy, butt on floor, head to the side, barrels in hands to side of head, big toe in trigger guard - - boom
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if I was able to get the govt help I wouldn't go in.
but profit over 50k so I get no help
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I don't think its ever going to get fully back to the way it was before, there was a pointy head on tv yesterday saying that there will be many people who will never feel comfortable or want to be in a crowded place again, add that to the fact that social media was already making us more anti social and it doesn't look good.
That’s a ridiculous way to live you’re life if you are going to get it you will get it,what’s the alternative stay indoors till you finally keel over lol,I think the best thing to do would be buy a shotgun and go for a walk down to the bottom of the garden and put it to the side of your head if that was the case.
The truth is nearly everyone will have had this in some form when they get a vaccine for it next year.
How could you put a shotgun to the side of your head? {without Jeremy Bamber helping you}
Easy, butt on floor, head to the side, barrels in hands to side of head, big toe in trigger guard - - boom
That's just the theory test...…...
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Three weeks is optimistic, imo.
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Three weeks is optimistic, imo.
Optimism is all there is left.
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Covid 19 - The new religion
Services held every evening on the BBC
No awkward questions please - Only mainstream media
Lots of hand gestures used in the sermon
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Covid 19 - The new religion
Services held every evening on the BBC
No awkward questions please - Only mainstream media
Lots of hand gestures used in the sermon
Does that make Boris the Messiah? Or is he still just a very naughty boy?
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I think once you get over the initial shock, working is pretty soon normalized. Customers are very welcoming and as long guidelines are maintained it Saul Goodman.
We’d have survived not working and furloughing but it would have been very tight but wouldn’t have been able to pay May’s salaries even if we were back mid May.
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The Government has to review the lockdown every three weeks. We've just past our first review and the next one will be in three weeks; I suspect at that point the daily deaths and new cases will have calmed down massively.
And the gov should have progressed with mass testing, which we need - I think - for the UK to be 'unlocked'.
Laura K said a source in the Treasury said the government cannot afford to keep on paying the 80% for much beyond three months. So we will be unlocked; economics will force that to happen.
And it'll take a while for the economy to get moving again (though there will be a 'burst' to begin with).
Stuff like social distancing, handwashing, no large gatherings (or even no gatherings at all), shielding the high risk, will still be part of the routine.
With no vaccine in sight for 12 to 18 months this is something we're all going to have to get used to living with.
Thats about the size of it.
In 3 weeks they'll start with some of the less risky relaxations. Coffee shops, D.I.Y. stores, garden centres. Some places of work will begin to meander back. At some point centres of education and childcare will have to be addressed. I reckon childcare will be first possibly with schools going back for the last 6 weeks prior to the summer holidays.
Three weeks is optimistic, imo.
Optimism is all there is left.
I'm not saying it won't happen.
It'll be a risk and will the government take that risk? Will mass testing and PPE be ready in three week from yesterday?
If they do unlock the country in three weeks, I think it'll kick off again.
A lot can happen in three weeks though (http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1587115391_undecided[1].gif).
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in answer to the op, you CLEARLY have not met the wife. 23 hrs a day locked inside with her, you must be joking
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Not trying to start any arguments. What is the reason you’re working? Is it because money is tight, bored, you need routine, fear of losing your customers, fear of not getting the 80%, you haven’t declared much profit?
Surely if someone offered you 80% of your net profit to stay at home and chill you’d do it, right?
no help as earnt over 50k so no option but to work or spend savings.or tax money saved