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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: slap bash on July 22, 2016, 01:15:42 pm
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I will give this tip only once. Add half a cup of household bleach to 25 liters of pure and use a back pack/trolly on first cleans a see your window shine and sparkle. Then clean/ rinse with pure. I have heard so many windies ask what they can use on really badly soiled window and feel pure will not do the . Its the bleach in so many cleaners like Virosol that does the cleaning. Don`t use this mix if your water goes through a R.O. before the pole. Warning, remember this will damage clothes so be careful and don't breath in . And to all the negative ones that will knock this , do some research.
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Shush don't tell everyone ??? ;D
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I thoughy Virosol was was a citrus degreaser. ???
Bleach um not sure the plants and grass would like it or anything in the fishpond. I've played about with acid based products and they work well too.
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I thoughy Virosol was was a citrus degreaser. ???
Bleach um not sure the plants and grass would like it or anything in the fishpond. I've played about with acid based products and they work well too
Dont believe everything you read on the bottle.For a company to claim its based on plant matter they only need to add 1% of the cituce into the formula.
Why bleach works so well, is because if it`s in small amount in a formula: because bleach / chlorine being a gas will dissolve grease and emulsify it into the water then the chlorine will evaporate into the air and by the time it hits the grass, not doing damage to the plants. Soft wash works in the same way but in a stronger way.
WE remove chlorine from water when we make pure to protect the Ro membrane because it will damage and degrade the membrane but it is exactly what we need in window cleaning pure water.
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Bleach isn't chlorine.
Bleach is usually sodium hypochlorite.
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Lets not split hairs, Its a chlorine gas/ salt activated with and oxygen/Hydrogen bond desolved in water. Bleach/sodium hypochlorite. would be the most common name we would use at home and would be recognized by many. This might help those boffs interested and Rosskesava my man.
Sodium Hypochlorite – Bleach, Swimming Pools & Cleaning Products
http://www.compoundchem.com/2014/07/06/sodium-hypochlorite-bleach-swimming-pools-cleaning-products/
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Lets not split hairs, Its a chlorine gas/ salt activated with and oxygen/Hydrogen bond desolved in water. Bleach/sodium hypochlorite. would be the most common name we would use at home and would be recognized by many. This might help those boffs interested and Rosskesava my man.
Sodium Hypochlorite – Bleach, Swimming Pools & Cleaning Products
http://www.compoundchem.com/2014/07/06/sodium-hypochlorite-bleach-swimming-pools-cleaning-products/
Ok.
I'm going to eat my hat.
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Salt and pepper or just like that.
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WE remove chlorine from water when we make pure to protect the Ro membrane because it will damage and degrade the membrane but it is exactly what we need in window cleaning pure water.
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in that case how come those of us that are di only don't get better results than those that use ro ?
as resin doesn't remove chlorine, unless i'm wildly wrong
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The reason for no better result is due to the low amount of chlorine in tap water. Its there as an anti-bacteria and more will evaporate out of the water in the preparation for drinking water. Windies are always looking to boost pure water for badly soiled windows and in the cases of detergents they leave a deposit on the glass( Virosol) Bleach is the active part in these type of cleaners.DI will not remove chlorine and its a gas not a soluble solid. Solids a mostly metals. EG Iron chrome mercury and lead/ oxides etc.
A small question for you. How do you know your results are not better than others ?.
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The reason for no better result is due to the low amount of chlorine in tap water. Its there as an anti-bacteria and more will evaporate out of the water in the preparation for drinking water. Windies are always looking to boost pure water for badly soiled windows and in the cases of detergents they leave a deposit on the glass( Virosol) Bleach is the active part in these type of cleaners.DI will not remove chlorine and its a gas not a soluble solid. Solids a mostly metals. EG Iron chrome mercury and lead/ oxides etc.
A small question for you. How do you know your results are not better than others ?.
quality answer cheers
as to results, if di only did make even a small difference it would be all over the forums like a rash
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do you think using domestic bleach or even yeeha would get rid of the tiger stripes on facias n frames that up to now i have to get up & magic sponge them
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It's grrrrrreat!
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Lmao
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Nope yehaa don't get rid of all stubborn tiger stripes on plastic fascias but it helps somewhat.
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Always had trouble with tiger stripes think you really need to get up there and remove by hand. Don't really want to do that so explain to customer may not remove all ingrained marks. Not rally happy with the finish myself sometimes. Don't think there much more you can do from the ground
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Always had trouble with tiger stripes think you really need to get up there and remove by hand. Don't really want to do that so explain to customer may not remove all ingrained marks. Not rally happy with the finish myself sometimes. Don't think there much more you can do from the ground
You are there to wash windows and frames. Stains aren't part of the job. They aren't paying for a upvc restore.
I hate leaving frames with stains but a upvc restore costs a lot more.
My personal opinion is that you have to be very careful with bleach. At height you have little control where the droplets of bleach end up. Plants and pond life are concerns and so is one's skin, eyes and clothes.
Calling it softwash doesn't make it any less 'dangerous'.
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Always had trouble with tiger stripes think you really need to get up there and remove by hand. Don't really want to do that so explain to customer may not remove all ingrained marks. Not rally happy with the finish myself sometimes. Don't think there much more you can do from the ground
You are there to wash windows and frames. Stains aren't part of the job. They aren't paying for a upvc restore.
I hate leaving frames with stains but a upvc restore costs a lot more.
My personal opinion is that you have to be very careful with bleach. At height you have little control where the droplets of bleach end up. Plants and pond life are concerns and so is one's skin, eyes and clothes.
Calling it softwash doesn't make it any less 'dangerous'.
yeah but when they are paying for a pvc finding something that works from the ground would be a result eh, as it doesn't completely remove the stains its still down to ladders & magic sponges
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I have used this method for about 3 years and I know it might be controversial but for the brave at heart can try it if they wish. I am sure when the first water fed pole hid the windows. |Many also thought the chap was mad. I will always push the bar higher as it`s in my nature to try to improve my results. It might have seemed crazy using a dangerous gas heater to clean glass. But if you never try you will never win. I have put quite a few bleach based threads lately and I see from the remarks that many cannot put two and two together. Bleach is already in most of the cleaning agent we love and use of conservatories. I was the first to use 10lpm pump at full wack and then many followed and claimed it worked better than 2 LPM. But its was the crazy me that did it first. I will continue pushing the envelope as I have always done.
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What does it taste like?
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I don't know what it tastes like as use one of these to protect my eyesight more so when soft washing with SH or any other chem for that matter. http://www.screwfix.com/p/face-shield-clear/6540d#_=p
I also wear a face shield when pressure washing too. Also handy in bright sunlight as you can wear sunglasses as normal underneath the face shield when required.
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What does it taste like?
Chicken
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What does it taste like?
Chicken
Sounds fowl.
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if a first clean is really filthy then i just spray virosol (in a pressure sprayer) at the windows and frames,leave for a few minutes and wfp off(with hot water).results are really good.normally i just use hot pure for first cleans though.
i would never use bleach.
1.i hate the smell of the stuff!
2.its a very strong chemical that could damage a customers property/plants etc(i wouldnt like to take the chance).
the end. ;D
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if a first clean is really filthy then i just spray virosol (in a pressure sprayer) at the windows and frames,leave for a few minutes and wfp off(with hot water).results are really good.normally i just use hot pure for first cleans though.
i would never use bleach.
1.i hate the smell of the stuff!
2.its a very strong chemical that could damage a customer's property/plants etc(i wouldn't like to take the chance).
the end. ;D
Ninty percent of the time the bleach will never kill plants as it will evaporate into the air before it did any damage. Why does adding rubbing alcohol clean glass so well and not kill pond life or plants for the same reason it will evaporate before it damage is don. I have a water but outside with had tadpoles in so I added a cup of bleach to rid them it took nearly a liter t ride them. Household bleach is about 2% or less pure and soft wash is max 14/15 % and when you mix it its 3/4 % pure but the are buffers in the surfactant and an oxygenator involved.
There are just too many experts who have not idea how soft work as hypo is only a part of the formula used . It boils down to a stronger Virosol and we all love that stuff. I can see from the input into some of the remarks on this subject that many have a scant or no scientific understanding, except for the E U crazy rules on safety. The best potential in the U K has been killed off with E U crap ideas with the nanny state etc.
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A weak softwash mix does work on glass, plastics etc as I've been known to use this method myself.
A good example of this for instantce is Benz blackwash (SH mix) which so happens to also be H&S approved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAeX0k27nB4
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;D this forum should carry a warning. Caution: contains nuts! I bet those tadpoles were 'gone in a flash'. Toad you so.
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A Sign saying "This forum has Dave Willis as a member" and a voice backing for the hard of hearing.
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Pardon ???
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A Sign saying "This forum has Dave Willis as a member" and a voice backing for the hard of hearing.
That was a tad(pole) harsh.
But Dave is being hypo-critical.
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Just done a first clean with fsg,
sprayed the fsg and top windows with a mix of 500ml asda bleach n 20 ltrs water then washed it all down with pure
The fsg n tops were pretty bad but it all came up sparkly white.
Got splashed a fair bit but I'm not blind n no stains or holes in my clothes. Tidy job
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Did the windows come up shiny too? ;D
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Ooh yes
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good init ;D
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Interesting..... I may give this a try!
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Mind you need to wear a cowboy hat too... YEHAA!
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Mind you need to wear a cowboy hat too... YEHAA!
I don't get it..... Do you call bleach yehaa?
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Mind you need to wear a cowboy hat too... YEHAA!
I don't get it..... Do you call bleach yehaa?
Some might say only cowboys spray hypo/bleach about hence it's nicknamed yehaa
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good init ;D
yes it is
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1470161127_side-view-pair-cowboy-boots-spurs-isolated-white-30419906.jpg)
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Mind you need to wear a cowboy hat too... YEHAA!
I don't get it..... Do you call bleach yehaa?
Some might say only cowboys spray hypo/bleach about hence it's nicknamed yehaa
Aha I see!
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Ooh yes
At last someone with the guts to try something new. Most find it easier to rubbish some good advice. Just take a look at all the crap on the thread
Good advice must come from certain quarters to be accepted as correct.
Thank you Simon for trying.
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thanks for the top tip, that's what it's all about
out of interest i've just put a splash of asda special & a splash of 11% hypo on my kitchen window sill in a bit that's fairly green just to see what kind of difference they make, i'll get a pic tomorrow
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thanks for the top tip, that's what it's all about
out of interest i've just put a splash of asda special & a splash of 11% hypo on my kitchen window sill in a bit that's fairly green just to see what kind of difference they make, i'll get a pic tomorrow
I hope they were not plastic :o Yehaa! ridem cowboy ;D
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We;; Simon its your cill and your window so the results will be interesting. If you never try you will never learn a thing.
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they're not but maybe i should try it on the frames , tomorrows job now
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1% mix is all you really need on plastics & glass. Anything more is overkill and should be avoided.
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Just done a first clean with fsg,
sprayed the fsg and top windows with a mix of 500ml asda bleach n 20 ltrs water then washed it all down with pure
The fsg n tops were pretty bad but it all came up sparkly white.
Got splashed a fair bit but I'm not blind n no stains or holes in my clothes. Tidy job
Isn't that overkill, then?
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It is if you dont really need it in the first place I guess
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Think I will try it tomorrow but what happens if you don't rinse enough off will it damage the glass
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http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/bleach/bleachh.htm
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It's grrrrrreat!
Rather a Frostie response?
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It is if you dont really need it in the first place I guess
And should be avoided?
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Well, you wouldn't want to become a cereal user.
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http://www.chm.bris.ac.uk/motm/bleach/bleachh.htm
Interesting link that dave. Nice one ;)
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It is if you dont really need it in the first place I guess
And should be avoided?
Strong SH is very corrosive & hazardous on all counts. That's why the likes of Benz on the instructions of blackwash (SH 10%) are very clear on the dilution rates that fall within acceptable levels of use and methods used to be granted approval by HSE.
Still you have to screw yer loaf even using even a weaker 1% or 2% mix all the same.
Mind you that don't stop cowboys like me putting down when required neat 14-15% SH on pavers...I'm a trained pro don't you know...YEHAA! ;D
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Professor Bash
You don't suppose Vision has a hint of the stuff do you? :o
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Professor Bash
You don't suppose Vision has a hint of the stuff do you? :o
That's what I was thinking too
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I thought Vision was a dead cert already, surely we all know what it is.? Don`t expect the makers to tell, though. I was right from day one. They gave it away themselves.
Vision no bleach. Bleach leaves the skin slippery and vision does not do this, and not smell.
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I thought Vision was a dead cert already, surely we all know what it is.? Don`t expect the makers to tell, though. I was right from day one. They gave it away themselves.
Go on pray tell what is in it then?
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It`s the stuff that Rhino uses to seal surface repellent. I had the web site. But lost it when the computer crashed. It cost about £250 a 5 liter so I felt it would last too long for me. They don their very best to steer all away for the stuff. But Rhino let it out of the bag, then cancelled his remark within minutes. They make it for all sub straights to the preservative. This web said glass is quite difficult to coat due to its smoothness.It`s basically in many products like car polish etc. I now use a product called Sparkle from E Bay. Costs less. If they understood what they g=had and go all concerned singing from the same sheet. It`s could have been a great find. \instead everyone had a different take on it.
Funny all my customer's glass have become hydrophobic.
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Never mind tiger stripes will it get rid of bacon strips in my boxers?
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For tiger stripes , I'm thinking, fill trad bucket up with water , a squeeze of cif , squeeze of washing up liquid, dip the brush in and scrub. Rinse of with pure
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I am using Sparkle but smell reminds me of toilets so does it contain bleach .
Chlorine gas is that same as used in WW1
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I have not the reason to think it has bleach as it does not whiten window cills> What the guys have done is add a smell to the first product to keep us off the track of what it was. Sparkle is just the product smell. I think it`s an honest product. It`s quite easy to make a good smell. Just add a few drop of the car perfume they sell in the shop in the little bottles or the fresh air perfumes you plug into the wall socket. Free tip. WE are rid of the EU nanny state try and experiment.
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I am using Sparkle but the smell reminds me of toilets so does it contain bleach .
Chlorine gas is that same as used in WW1
You are quite right chlorine was used in the war but in much greater strengths and mixed with another chemical so it would choke you to death. The level we are talking is much less so you will not die. Most thing we consume will kill if you used too much of it. Cyanide is in fAgs yet most still smoke. Bleach is used in the wood to paper manufacture but we still wipe our backsides on it.
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Just done a first clean with fsg,
sprayed the fsg and top windows with a mix of 500ml asda bleach n 20 ltrs water then washed it all down with pure
The fsg n tops were pretty bad but it all came up sparkly white.
Got splashed a fair bit but I'm not blind n no stains or holes in my clothes. Tidy job
Isn't that overkill, then?
well i would of used tfr or virosol anyway & as people are now softwashing fsg all over the shop asda bleach seemed fine to try seeings as i've read a lot of slap bash posts & he knows what he's on about 'imo ;D '
ive no idea what a dose of tfr etc costs but the bleach cost 40p for a 20ltr mix
anyway on the left is a splash of 11% hypo on the right a glug of asda bleach
(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1470251323_sill.JPG)
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I have not the reason to think it has bleach as it does not whiten window cills> What the guys have done is add a smell to the first product to keep us off the track of what it was. Sparkle is just the product smell. I think it`s an honest product. It`s quite easy to make a good smell. Just add a few drop of the car perfume they sell in the shop in the little bottles or the fresh air perfumes you plug into the wall socket. Free tip. WE are rid of the EU nanny state try and experiment.
. Yeah! Lets Napalm those windows!
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Better idea lets Napalm spiders and bad payers .
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Apparently spiders don't like hypo very much nor do most living critters ;D
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Apparently spiders don't like hypo very much nor do most living critters ;D
Where can one buy this hypo?