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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: david mark on January 25, 2015, 08:41:24 am
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I've used gardener's poles for the past 6 years, the quality of there lateral clamps have extended the life of the pole I,e no spinning on the worn part of the pole even on the hybrid range.Looking on the videos of Ex-ceed poles I like the design of the hose less pole when not in use but they don't mention if there clamps automatically adjust when the pole starts to ware.
Does the clamp have to manually be adjusted when the pole starts to ware down.Also the new A.D does the spring still slap after a few months like the early models.
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Hi, I have the Gardiners 22 extreme SLX 18 and slx 30 all with new clamps.
Over Christmas I bought the exceed 22 carbon because I liked the tubeless idea and had the slx30 adapted to ake that tubeless too.
I have just finished the third week with the exceed set up.
Positives, love not having water leak from the pole hose, love the quality and stiffness of the pole, the quick release angle adapter, no pole hose loop and the ease of adding a section if needed
Average points, the aqua adapta. It still fails to operate 100% of the time and I find myself yanking the hose repeatedly like a 12 year old who has just found a Penthouse magazine. Steves a decent bloke but can be slow in any replies (although that may be a little harsh)
Negatives, the clamps, they are a backward step after the Gardiners sprung loaded improvement. When the pole is extended and the A/d is sticking and I'm yanking the hose, I have had the pole collapse down as the clamps are just not holding it tight enough. The levers flop about just as the first Gardiners one did.
Hth
Tony
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According to Steven Jones at exceed innovation, he doesn't look at other poles on the market while designing his, so it's doubtful this feature would be available for his pole. Also I believe Mr Gardiner has patented that particular idea.
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Thank you for your reply the clamps are in my mind the most important part of pole longevity we have 12 Gardiners poles various sizes some now need replacing so needed more info on Ex-ceed, thank you for your imput.Alex gardiner has developed a great clamp even,Nasa engineers would be proud of.
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Thank you for your reply the clamps are in my mind the most important part of pole longevity we have 12 Gardiners poles various sizes some now need replacing so needed more info on Ex-ceed, thank you for your imput.Alex gardiner has developed a great clamp even,Nasa engineers would be proud of.
Stephen did facebook message me last week saying he would send out some locking nuts to cure this. We shall see.
Tony
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The exceed pole has an oring in the place that Gardiners have the spring I assume to act in the same way so the clamp can adjust to pole wear. Wether it is as good only time will tell
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg.html)
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It's not. I took a Gardiners bolt asembly and fitted it to the exceed but it was just a tad to short and the hole was to small to accept the spring. I have the first clamp with a spring fitted onto the bolt in the void section of the clamp, it helps a little.
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I very rarely have a problem with operating the aquadapter, the only time is if I turn it in with wheel when I'm doing a downstairs window and leave the wheel in the wrong place.
The springs are always going to snap in time because they are in constant use, but the are not that hard to replace
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I very rarely have a problem with operating the aquadapter, the only time is if I turn it in with wheel when I'm doing a downstairs window and leave the wheel in the wrong place.
The springs are always going to snap in time because they are in constant use, but the are not that hard to replace
I love my Aqua Dapter. Best thing since sliced bread. Only thing is when I am putting pole back in van. If the hose catches on say my tyre. Water goes all over van ;D
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The exceed pole has an oring in the place that Gardiners have the spring I assume to act in the same way so the clamp can adjust to pole wear. Wether it is as good only time will tell
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg.html)
Hi Lee,
the o-ring, was to help with resistance, to help the bolt not come loose, but as In tlwcs case, the thumb adjustment still came loose, causing the handle to flop.
thankfully we have cracked it.
we tried locking nuts that stopped this but you could not turn the thumb wheel by hand as it was to tight.
but now we have found a nut that stops the handle coming loose but easy enough to turn.
I have contacted tlwcs, and said I will send him these locking nuts for free.
as regards aqua dapter not working 100%, we are going to harden the spring.
To be honest we only designed the aqua dapter for 18 to 25ft poles, that are everyday, and constantly extended up and down, so your able to save water between, these stages.
as standard now, we fit a flow valve at the brush head, with the aqua dapter as another option.
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The exceed pole has an oring in the place that Gardiners have the spring I assume to act in the same way so the clamp can adjust to pole wear. Wether it is as good only time will tell
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg.html)
Hi Lee,
the o-ring, was to help with resistance, to help the bolt not come loose, but as In tlwcs case, the thumb adjustment still came loose, causing the handle to flop.
thankfully we have cracked it.
we tried locking nuts that stopped this but you could not turn the thumb wheel by hand as it was to tight.
but now we have found a nut that stops the handle coming loose but easy enough to turn.
I have contacted tlwcs, and said I will send him these locking nuts for free.
as regards aqua dapter not working 100%, we are going to harden the spring.
To be honest we only designed the aqua dapter for 18 to 25ft poles, that are everyday, and constantly extended up and down, so your able to save water between, these stages.
as standard now, we fit a flow valve at the brush head, with the aqua dapter as another option.
That's quite an admission
Darran
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The exceed pole has an oring in the place that Gardiners have the spring I assume to act in the same way so the clamp can adjust to pole wear. Wether it is as good only time will tell
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg.html)
Hi Lee,
the o-ring, was to help with resistance, to help the bolt not come loose, but as In tlwcs case, the thumb adjustment still came loose, causing the handle to flop.
thankfully we have cracked it.
we tried locking nuts that stopped this but you could not turn the thumb wheel by hand as it was to tight.
but now we have found a nut that stops the handle coming loose but easy enough to turn.
I have contacted tlwcs, and said I will send him these locking nuts for free.
as regards aqua dapter not working 100%, we are going to harden the spring.
To be honest we only designed the aqua dapter for 18 to 25ft poles, that are everyday, and constantly extended up and down, so your able to save water between, these stages.
as standard now, we fit a flow valve at the brush head, with the aqua dapter as another option.
yes we could never see the benefit of using aqua dapter on highrise poles, as it is not a pole that is constantly extended and different situations.
aqua can be used on high poles but will not work as well.
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Can you use rectus 26 on your Exceed poles or is the set up only for rectus 21
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Can you use rectus 26 on your Exceed poles or is the set up only for rectus 21
Hi Mark,
rectus 21only
they are lasting alot longer,(4 x) since being in ejector sleeve.
There easy to change if they do wear, take a look at video's at www.ex-ceedinnovation.co.uk
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The exceed pole has an oring in the place that Gardiners have the spring I assume to act in the same way so the clamp can adjust to pole wear. Wether it is as good only time will tell
(http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w202/sierragls/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg) (http://s177.photobucket.com/user/sierragls/media/9D089238-406C-4FD5-9B2D-B09A4471CA55.jpg.html)
Hi Lee,
the o-ring, was to help with resistance, to help the bolt not come loose, but as In tlwcs case, the thumb adjustment still came loose, causing the handle to flop.
thankfully we have cracked it.
we tried locking nuts that stopped this but you could not turn the thumb wheel by hand as it was to tight.
but now we have found a nut that stops the handle coming loose but easy enough to turn.
I have contacted tlwcs, and said I will send him these locking nuts for free.
as regards aqua dapter not working 100%, we are going to harden the spring.
To be honest we only designed the aqua dapter for 18 to 25ft poles, that are everyday, and constantly extended up and down, so your able to save water between, these stages.
as standard now, we fit a flow valve at the brush head, with the aqua dapter as another option.
So you have to turn the valve on (tap) then extend pole, do window, lower then turn tap off? Don't like that idea at all
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Hi duncan,
That is an option, but there is a dropdown Box on densité, add an aqua dapter.
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Aqua adaptor for me is simply AWESOME
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I've taken the nipple bit out of mine cleaned it and refitted. Hopefully this will help.
Can wd40 be sprayed on the wheel bit?
But yes, great bit of kit.
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Aqua adaptor for me is simply AWESOME
Me too mate. I love them
Pointless having tap at head. Bottom YES, Top NO
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Hi duncan,
That is an option, but there is a dropdown Box on densité, add an aqua dapter.
Not sure whats going off at your place. Since before Christmas, prices are all over the place. A 18ft carbon is now £40 extra for Aqua Dapter. Total £270. Then you have to buy a brush :o :o
Gardiner is £207 then you have to buy Aqua Dapter. You are now charging more than Alex. Before it worked out at much less
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Hi duncan,
My pole isnt a gardiner pole, its a tubeless pole,
so its in a different League.
Plus theres no vat to Pay on my Poles at the Moment.
selling with the aqua dapter was not an option, that everyone wanted.
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Hi duncan,
My pole isnt a gardiner pole, its a tubeless pole,
so its in a different League.
Plus theres no vat to Pay on my Poles at the Moment.
selling with the aqua dapter was not an option, that everyone wanted.
You might get promoted.
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Thank you for your reply the clamps are in my mind the most important part of pole longevity we have 12 Gardiners poles various sizes some now need replacing so needed more info on Ex-ceed, thank you for your imput.Alex gardiner has developed a great clamp even,Nasa engineers would be proud of.
;D
Not sure I would make that comparison. After all, the story goes that Nasa spent millions on designing a pen that would write in zero gravity and position in space. The Russians just gave their astronauts pencils to write with. ;D
Personally I think the spring loaded clamp assist is very simple but brilliant in its concept. Being patented would mean that the other manufacturers clamps just wouldn't work as well.
My everyday SLX22 pole is over 3 years old and still on its original clamps which still work well. There is no reason why the new Ex-ceed pole should be any different as far as the operation of its clamps are concerned. The only future issue Ex-ceed will have to address is the wear rate of the pole and the clamps effectiveness when this starts to become a factor.
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Hi Spruce,
There is no need for a spring in our clamp.
what happens with the clamp we use is where the pole may become uneven, the clamp flexes more, in those places
It is very simple but affective.
Steven.
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When you say flex's more do you mean it's thinner and cheaply made ?? ;D
Darran
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Hi Smudger
Very funny ;D
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Always 2 ways to look at a statement ;D ;D
Darran
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Hi duncan,
My pole isnt a gardiner pole, its a tubeless pole,
so its in a different League.
Plus theres no vat to Pay on my Poles at the Moment.
selling with the aqua dapter was not an option, that everyone wanted.
Not arguing that fact Steve.
My point is, the price keeps going up by massive amounts. Aqua Dapter was free. Its now £40 extra.
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
They get a valve !
You should be able to reduce it by something. Surely they cost something to produce :) and less than a valve
Now you have people like me, who want Aqua Dapter. Who was original interested in trying a new product, which was cheaper(than SLX) and included Aqua Dapter as a bonus incentive(£50). This no longer is available, but worse. Its now extra.
It just doesn't make sense.
You cant bring a new product out, saying Aqua Dapter comes free, then remove that bonus shortly after it hits the market
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
They get a valve !
You should be able to reduce it by something. Surely they cost something to produce :) and less than a valve
Now you have people like me, who want Aqua Dapter. Who was original interested in trying a new product, which was cheaper(than SLX) and included Aqua Dapter as a bonus incentive(£50). This no longer is available, but worse. Its now extra.
It just doesn't make sense.
You cant bring a new product out, saying Aqua Dapter comes free, then remove that bonus shortly after it hits the market
Hey Duncan, get in touch with him off the forum and I'm sure he may do you a deal.
He's a descent bloke, just busy
Tony
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
They get a valve !
You should be able to reduce it by something. Surely they cost something to produce :) and less than a valve
Now you have people like me, who want Aqua Dapter. Who was original interested in trying a new product, which was cheaper(than SLX) and included Aqua Dapter as a bonus incentive(£50). This no longer is available, but worse. Its now extra.
It just doesn't make sense.
You cant bring a new product out, saying Aqua Dapter comes free, then remove that bonus shortly after it hits the market
He can, it's his choice. No doubt things have changed for them business wise & although he may have offered the AD as part of the deal initially obviously this isn't financially viable any longer. Personally I think it's better to have the choice with these things- nothing is just thrown in for free & I don't want to be paying for something I don't require. ;)
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
They get a valve !
You should be able to reduce it by something. Surely they cost something to produce :) and less than a valve
Now you have people like me, who want Aqua Dapter. Who was original interested in trying a new product, which was cheaper(than SLX) and included Aqua Dapter as a bonus incentive(£50). This no longer is available, but worse. Its now extra.
It just doesn't make sense.
You cant bring a new product out, saying Aqua Dapter comes free, then remove that bonus shortly after it hits the market
Hey Duncan, get in touch with him off the forum and I'm sure he may do you a deal.
He's a descent bloke, just busy
Tony
I know he his mate
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Hi duncan,
The problem we would have is if people just wanted the pole like some do, they would expect to pay £40 less.
They get a valve !
You should be able to reduce it by something. Surely they cost something to produce :) and less than a valve
Now you have people like me, who want Aqua Dapter. Who was original interested in trying a new product, which was cheaper(than SLX) and included Aqua Dapter as a bonus incentive(£50). This no longer is available, but worse. Its now extra.
It just doesn't make sense.
You cant bring a new product out, saying Aqua Dapter comes free, then remove that bonus shortly after it hits the market
He can, it's his choice. No doubt things have changed for them business wise & although he may have offered the AD as part of the deal initially obviously this isn't financially viable any longer. Personally I think it's better to have the choice with these things- nothing is just thrown in for free & I don't want to be paying for something I don't require. ;)
If Alex banged £40 on ever pole, there would be a riot lmao ;D
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Hi duncan,
What size pole you want and i will do you a deal ;)
Steven.
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Do me a deal. I'm after the 25 full carbon with Ad
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
Hes got videos. Its got connection in first section, inside pole. You then join thin pipe to reel hose with a joiner/straight connector. Unfortunately its not hoseless. They don't do WIFI for water YET :D ;D ;)
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
Hes got videos. Its got connection in first section, inside pole. You then join thin pipe to reel hose with a joiner/straight connector. Unfortunately its not hoseless. They don't do WIFI for water YET :D ;D ;)
Hi Duncan, very funny Wifi!!! :-)
If there was wifi for water filling my ibc and tank would be easy! Lol :-)
Obviously there is some type of tube inside the pole, what if this leaks, it must be a type of flexible hose so what if it wears or snaps???
I've seen the videos and having no hose out the bottom makes sense!
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Hi Mr Smiles,
Hose is very easy to change, takes around 2 mins to do, but it will be unlikely it needs changing.
Steven.
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So it isn't tubeless then, it just has a shorter hose with a connector to remove the hose sticking out at the bottom.
Would I be right in saying that the connector just travels up the inside of the pole as you extend it.
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
Hes got videos. Its got connection in first section, inside pole. You then join thin pipe to reel hose with a joiner/straight connector. Unfortunately its not hoseless. They don't do WIFI for water YET :D ;D ;)
You don't need a hose in a pole I have one for cleaning my caravan that extents without a hose inside so you can understand
the confusion.
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
Hes got videos. Its got connection in first section, inside pole. You then join thin pipe to reel hose with a joiner/straight connector. Unfortunately its not hoseless. They don't do WIFI for water YET :D ;D ;)
You don't need a hose in a pole I have one for cleaning my caravan that extents without a hose inside so you can understand
the confusion.
A 25ft pole full of water would be heavy!
Steve has just stated there is a hose and takes 2 mins to change!
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So it isn't tubeless then, it just has a shorter hose with a connector to remove the hose sticking out at the bottom.
Would I be right in saying that the connector just travels up the inside of the pole as you extend it.
Steve, is that how it works?
If so you wouldn't be able to unplug unless pole was shortened again?
Cheers Craig
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Hi Mr smiles,
That is correct.
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Thanks Steven for the clarification!
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hi steve...will you be selling individual sections separately
for example if i were to purchase a 30ft pole now could i purchase 2 more sections at a later date thereby extending my pole to 40ft
tony
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Hi Steve, I've been looking at your pole as in in the market to renew mine!
Not been able to find info on how it is hoseless? Is there a hose inside of type if do does/ will it ever need replacing? Looks good , I just like to understand how things work?
Hes got videos. Its got connection in first section, inside pole. You then join thin pipe to reel hose with a joiner/straight connector. Unfortunately its not hoseless. They don't do WIFI for water YET :D ;D ;)
You don't need a hose in a pole I have one for cleaning my caravan that extents without a hose inside so you can understand
the confusion.
A 25ft pole full of water would be heavy!
Steve has just stated there is a hose and takes 2 mins to change!
ACTUALY. Steve or Alex could have a tubeless pole made. Water could travel inside the sections. If the hose hole was 2 or 3mm thick. Very difficult to invent with telescopic poles and keeping the weight down. Rubber seals would wear etc