Been checking out some vids on YouTube of these poles have seen a 22ft with 4ft extention, im after a new pole looking at gardiner aswell but considering buying 2 one for me and my dad, so maybe one of each make?
Been checking out some vids on YouTube of these poles have seen a 22ft with 4ft extention, im after a new pole looking at gardiner aswell but considering buying 2 one for me and my dad, so maybe one of each make?
This is a gardiner loving forum,
Some of us have phoenix carbon poles and highly rate them as well, they are very good! I have two, 18ft and 25ft, both lighter than gardiner poles of equivalent heights, and really rigid in use, good poles, the facelift brush is also really very good, lots of good feedback on them too.
I also own gardiner poles for the record
My 18ft phoenix is lighter than an slx18... 980g to 1050g
Yep your right the 25ft is marginally heavier, my mistake. I like
And trust your poles Alex, but I personally find the clamps easier on the facelift, a friend has 2 slx2 poles, one 18 and one 25 and I just find the facelift easier. However I purchased the 35ft from you because as I've always said I believe the quality of your poles to be superior, but I was very suprises at the bend and whip on it...
Yeah I understand that is of course a problem all pole manufacturers have with height, Its the massive support you have on here that persuaded me to part cash wih you rather than facelift on the 35ft. I had high expectations on rigidity, and was genuinely suprised how bendy it was, I use it for commercial work, and also ordered the 45cm super lite brush, but found that it was too heavy for the slx, had to revert to the standard super lite,
Now if your xtremes were cheaper, I'd buy one, but they are very pricy! I'd rather go on a nice holiday with the wife...
Yeah I don't over extend it for that reason, im humble enough to admit defeat Alex, howevee I won't be buying abother 35ft pole for the sake of a test, but if I do I'll
Be in touch!
Interesting you say about the clamps and long term injury, however my technique for releasing the clamps is left hand thumb flipping the lever in a lateral way on the phoenix poles, which feels very natural, and easy.
I've got another offer, I'll eat my shorts if you send me an xtreme, if it's as good as people say, I'll sell phoenix my poles within 24 hours...
I'll send you a video Alex... What's your email? I'm sure I'll find a 35ft phoenix to use, but I'm also sure it will bend a lot as well...
Video is too long! Won't let me email, how else can I send it...
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
Dave you don't use the top section unless you purposly buy it, I don't own it and have two facelift poles, it's an accessory for extra reach should you wish to use it.
My 18ft phoenix is lighter than an slx18... 980g to 1050g
Yep your right the 25ft is marginally heavier, my mistake. I like
And trust your poles Alex, but I personally find the clamps easier on the facelift, a friend has 2 slx2 poles, one 18 and one 25 and I just find the facelift easier. However I purchased the 35ft from you because as I've always said I believe the quality of your poles to be superior, but I was very suprises at the bend and whip on it...
No problem just wanted to clarify the weight - of course this is all on 'published' weights which does rely on a similar set of scales being used.
I realize that clamp use is down to personal preference :) (although a lateral action clamp has less chance of RSI later in life due to the more natural action on the wrist/elbow).
You have mentioned the whip on the 35ft pole previously hence my above comment. We have found that the whole dynamics of poles and sections change when you exceed about the 30ft mark and again after about 45ft. Materials that feel incredibly rigid at about 25ft seem to be very different an extra 10ft higher.
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
I quickly lost interest when I found out Stephen Fox was involved!! ;D It's just WCW who bought the rights to Facelift poles!
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
Dave, I know you are not a 'fan' but introducing a new concept, some people simply won't get it. Especially if they have never tried it
I think the pheonix poles are great! Just i think the gardiner poles are greater.
Both quality poles that do the job they are designed for, all of it is overpriced chinease rubbish anyway lol... Just lenghs of carbon tube cut to different sizes with clamps and a brush's added by other companies.
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
Dave, I know you are not a 'fan' but introducing a new concept, some people simply won't get it. Especially if they have never tried it
We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!
Us lefties are the chosen ones..... ;D
Darran
So, I take its a no to a direct comparison then??
That's a shame...
Darran
nore me m8 . stevon how much is is for a new 1 an 2 section for my 22ft pheonix x full carbon pole not the ul section cant find any details on price??
We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!
We've got the Phoenix mk2 poles which are leaking out there at the moment, I would love to see a comparison with these against anything on the market. When we have windies turn up with anything interesting we often do a comparison, but don't post the results up on CIU.....Alex can tell you all about it!
That's great news. Whenever a competitor gets close to catching up, Gardiners always seem to move the goalposts even further just after!! ;D ;D
When the Pheonix poles first came out I was initially quite interested in them that was until they released a video.
First off the top section was for 'occasional use' then they were advising you could get more reach by extending the sections past all the extended marks on the pole. ???
Quickly lost interest after that.
I quickly lost interest when I found out Stephen Fox was involved!! ;D It's just WCW who bought the rights to Facelift poles!
Snap...
Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole :-\
It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything
Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole :-\
It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything
No numbers at all?
Actually. Does anyone know how to tell the Phoenix Hybrid from the Phoenix X apart, cuz Iv'e got a feeling I have been sent the wrong pole :-\
It just has a Phoenix sticker on it. No 'X' or anything
No numbers at all?
No nothing. obviously on receipt it says phoenix 'x'. The ends are blue where you stop extending the lengths. I'm wondering if they are colour coded to the different types. The pole seems very bendy compared to SLX
what are the phoenix full carbons like compared to slx for stiffness when fully extended or lightness?
what are the phoenix full carbons like compared to slx for stiffness when fully extended or lightness?
Smudged, between me and you I don't know why I get so much hate on this forum. Every time we release something new there is a Gardiner's sale which never happened before... They should be thanking us!
We've got the mark 2 range of phoenix coming out now, I think a few on here may even have some... I wonder if Alex will offer this to all his customers, it's only fair... And may prove expensive ;D!
Well, it turns out that I have been sent the wrong pole. I have got the hybrid pole. Apparently the Hybrid has blue ends and the 'X' has silver ends.
I was quite mad when I phoned them today and found out, because if I hadn't already got a full carbon pole I wouldn't have known the difference, and would have been ripped off for 80 or so quid. He assured me it was a mistake.
When sending out poles that look the same, they should be checking them to make sure customers get the right ones. I bet no dearer poles have been sent out, mistaken for cheaper ones.
Mistake or con. I don't know but my faith in WCW has been shaken.
Anyway, they said they sending someone out tomorrow to exchange the pole.
Is Fox hunting still legal?
. I can assure you we have sent out full carbons before to customers when they have only order composites, funny enough they don't complain!
. I can assure you we have sent out full carbons before to customers when they have only order composites, funny enough they don't complain!
I've had no complaint from any service i've recieved from WCW, they've been great. But now with this one sentence you have destroyed any faith that they know what they're doing. How are you finding out, after the event, with no complaint you've sent out the wrong gear ? Looks to me like you're trying to make inaccuracy acceptable by the fact a recipient may benefit from it. Thats neither here nor there, your ordering system is inefficient, or so it appears from what you say , and works or it doesn't ?
Come on CleanClear lets get real.....
Easy mistake to make for the warehouse staff if you ask me.
I many of times in the past have cleaned the wrong house or bought the wrong dog food getting the puppy brand instead etc. everyone makes mistakes.
That's the problem nowadays ;)Easy mistake to make for the warehouse staff if you ask me.
I many of times in the past have cleaned the wrong house or bought the wrong dog food getting the puppy brand instead etc. everyone makes mistakes.
Agree 100%, colours could be a challenge for the staff, especially if English isn't their first language and they can't read the boxes.
http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/facelift-phoenix-s-22.html
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http://www.windowcleaningwarehouse.co.uk/facelift-phoenix-s-22.html
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Notice how it has a big fat 's' on it
It'll e a crap pole though...