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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Ronnie Bryce on May 21, 2013, 08:49:16 pm
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https://www.facebook.com/pages/Broxburn-Cleaning-Products/499135760108507?fref=ts
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aye looks good ronnie, he has been on this for a while, not sure how it works right enough, but knowing peter it will work
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
:) lol sounds about right.
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
:) lol sounds about right.
;D
I've tested it for him a few times over the last year and it works well and
Is finished as far as I know.
It's a lot lighter on the pole than the aqua adapter and a lot less
To go wrong with it think this will do well I will be getting a few of them.
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sorry, but even from the picture I am still clueless as to what it actually is or is supposed to do ? something along the lines of an aquadapter ???
Simon
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I think new Xl aqua dapter is good now, any issues they sort out and brilliant customer service.
Have you got the new Xl?
That's cheating and not very impartial.
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
:) lol sounds about right.
;D
I've tested it for him a few times over the last year and it works well and
Is finished as far as I know.
It's a lot lighter on the pole than the aqua adapter and a lot less
To go wrong with it think this will do well I will be getting a few of them.
I think new Xl aqua dapter is good now, any issues they sort out and brilliant customer service.
Have you got the new Xl?
No, think it will be the foggytap for me from now on ;)
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sorry, but even from the picture I am still clueless as to what it actually is or is supposed to do ? something along the lines of an aquadapter ???
Simon
+1. how does it work.?
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
:) lol sounds about right.
;D
I've tested it for him a few times over the last year and it works well and
Is finished as far as I know.
It's a lot lighter on the pole than the aqua adapter and a lot less
To go wrong with it think this will do well I will be getting a few of them.
how much? & how does it work.
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is this thing being advertised or has he just stuck it on pussbook. ::) roll nothing on his site about it.
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hi paul13
how do you stop it twisting by mistake and switching on and off, a bit like when you have a worn clamp the brush keeps moving around, the weight of the brush turning it on and off?
I would think most would fix a worn clamp and has gardiners not solved that
Problem with there new clamps.
There will be issues with most things if you try to find them and only
time will tell if the foggy tap will be a success but in my opinion it will.
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Will probably go into production in about 10 years
:) lol sounds about right.
;D
I've tested it for him a few times over the last year and it works well and
Is finished as far as I know.
It's a lot lighter on the pole than the aqua adapter and a lot less
To go wrong with it think this will do well I will be getting a few of them.
how much? & how does it work.
Your guess is as good as mine price wise.
It works by twisting the pole when the brush is on the glass just
a slight twist on/off
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Hi paul,
so what stops it twisting by gravity as the brush flops on ground floor windows when you clean with pole horizontal, can imagine it being careful not to switch it on off during use.
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Hi paul,
so what stops it twisting by gravity as the brush flops on ground floor windows when you clean with pole horizontal, can imagine it being careful not to switch it on off during use.
Hi Steven,
I'm not sure what stops it twisting but the last time I used it I was going
from top windows to bottom without it turning on and off.
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Hi everyone.
The tooling is being made at this very minute and it will be available the end of July. I have been working on this a while not so much the design but more making sure it is going to be a good reliable hard wearing product. I did have a bit of a delay with major manufactures showing a big interest. However it is all sorted now apart from the price and will be available soon.
Paul is right no tool will be suitable for every single scenario, but the AquaTap is ideal for a very high percentage of them.
It doesn't accidentally switch on and off in use. And yes there may be issues with worn clamps but not as much of an issue as your pole calapsing while in use:-)
I would say it is much much better than my Autobrush which was the first product ever specially made to address the problems of water control with a water fed pole.
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Hi peter,
Still cant get my head around that if the pole is horizontal (side ways) what stops the weight of the brush on the angle adapter flopping with gravity? or when you clean above a conservatory sideways?
I am trying to understand
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Hi Steven, if the brush was say pointing down to the ground and was turned off at the time, when you tilt the brush up to put it on the glass it will stay in the off position, and only when you turn the pole it will turn the water on. The Tool has a positive stop on and off, it only turns a 1/4 turn.
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stick a video of it in action on here.
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sorry, but even from the picture I am still clueless as to what it actually is or is supposed to do ? something along the lines of an aquadapter ???
Simon
+1. how does it work.?
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I've read what Peter wrote and I must be thick as well but I still havn't a clue how it works. ???
It seems a bit daft to advertise something without at least a basic video.
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My interpretation of it is with the brush on the glass, you twist the base of the pole, so the brush doesn't move, but the rest of the pole does, which turns the water on.
I may be wrong though
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Yes Lee that's right. It's like anything else in certain circumstances there may be a little getting used to. It's an everyday tool that will work perfectly in 99% of situations you will come across. If you find something that's out of the ordinary then don't use it for that. It only takes a few seconds to take it off the pole. A video of how it works will follow shortly.
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My interpretation of it is with the brush on the glass, you twist the base of the pole, so the brush doesn't move, but the rest of the pole does, which turns the water on.
I may be wrong though
Your not, spot on
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Yes Lee that's right. It's like anything else in certain circumstances there may be a little getting used to. It's an everyday tool that will work perfectly in 99% of situations you will come across. If you find something that's out of the ordinary then don't use it for that. It only takes a few seconds to take it off the pole. A video of how it works will follow shortly.
Would it work with a gardiner resineck swivel?
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Yes Lee that's right. It's like anything else in certain circumstances there may be a little getting used to. It's an everyday tool that will work perfectly in 99% of situations you will come across. If you find something that's out of the ordinary then don't use it for that. It only takes a few seconds to take it off the pole. A video of how it works will follow shortly.
what situations would'nt it work in. how about long goose necks, would it be difficult to twist the pole then? or when you clean side to side slipping over window frames not interfering with on off,be nice to see a vid thats shows it be compatible with these circumstances.
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It will but it won't work as effectively as without a swivel neck. As long as the brush is returned to the level position before turning the water on or off it will work fine. And before anyone asks about rinsing off the glass. The brush has to be on the glass to operate but only takes a second to put it against the bottom of the glass or frame when finished rinsing, and you are ready to turn the water off.
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Steven I would rather concentrate on the things that it works great on which is a very high percentage of the work anyone is doing or likely to do. And like I said it can be taken off the pole in seconds if there is something someone comes across that they can't use it on. Long goosenecks and slipping over frames are no problem.
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Steven1, Do you or do you not have a vested interest in Aqua/Dapter sales? A simple yes or no please. Some of your back post's indicate that you actually are the AD guy in person.
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Makes no difference to me. Probably best to get the negatives out the way, then we can concentrate on the positives which there are plenty.
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Makes no difference to me. Probably best to get the negatives out the way, then we can concentrate on the positives which there are plenty.
Agreed, look forward to more information. A video explaining how it works would do wonders, as I still have no understanding of how it actually works in practice.
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Makes no difference to me. Probably best to get the negatives out the way, then we can concentrate on the positives which there are plenty.
Agreed, look forward to more information. A video explaining how it works would do wonders, as I still have no understanding of how it actually works in practice.
+1 video please.
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It works very well. Need hands on to appreciate it though, a video doesn't do it justice. All you'll see is water on then water off!
You have to use it on a pole to understand the concept and how it works. Very clever device.
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Think peters getting a video organised fingers crossed :)
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Think peters getting a video organised fingers crossed :)
what year.?:-P
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Hopefully today sometime.
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http://youtu.be/HgCzyI9Na70
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To me I am still none the wiser after viewing that video. Opportunity missed to show clearly how it works.
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To me I am still none the wiser after viewing that video. Opportunity missed to show clearly how it works.
+1 ten seconds of a hand all i seen. the build up lasted 25 seconds.
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So you have to twist the pole to stop/start water?
That's a terrible idea! What if i want to twist the pole to get at gutter brackets or a particularly awkward window,.. the water would stop!! ::)roll
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So you have to twist the pole to stop/start water?
That's a terrible idea! What if i want to twist the pole to get at gutter brackets or a particularly awkward window,.. the water would stop!! ::)roll
some people just clean windows
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The best way to see how something works is to have and to use. The mechanism is inside that does the stopping and starting of the water, and that won't be shown on any video. Even in a video of someone using it on a window doesn't really show you anything.
Steven tried to explain that earlier.
Nathanael I don't know what your problem is with me but you obviously have one, and this post is exactly what I have come to expect from you. I won't even bother commenting on how your above theories would be overcome. You won't have the problems you mentioned anyway, as you will have no intensions of buying one in the first place.
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Just to clarify, can you not show how it works, or do you not want to show how it works? The latter case would mean that you haven't patented it, or are unable to patent it, in which case, it seems rather silly to showcase it already?
If you are unable to show how it works, I suggest sending one over to Alex Gardiner. He seems to know how to make a video showing what exactly a product does and is able to show in detail how it works.
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The video did not really show how it would be used e.g. to control water flow cleaning upstairs windows. I still do not know if you twist the pole, twist an attachment to the pole, exactly where and how the device is fitted to the pole and how the device actually works.
Video a complete waste of time IMO. Sorry.
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The best way to see how something works is to have and to use. The mechanism is inside that does the stopping and starting of the water, and that won't be shown on any video. Even in a video of someone using it on a window doesn't really show you anything.
Steven tried to explain that earlier.
Nathanael I don't know what your problem is with me but you obviously have one, and this post is exactly what I have come to expect from you. I won't even bother commenting on how your above theories would be overcome. You won't have the problems you mentioned anyway, as you will have no intensions of buying one in the first place.
Peter - I rarely mention you or your products, I don't know why you think i have a problem with you. I have actually bought from you in the past.
I simply pointed out what appears to be a basic issue that would stop me (and I assume many others) from using a device that operates by turning the pole. If I'm incorrect in I disagreeumption of how it works, please correct me - but that is how it appears in the video.
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I know you have bought from me before Nathanel, but I have noticed in the last few exchanges, and not neceserly about the Aquatap you have been very negative towards me. No way is it sour grapes on my part because of your previous comment, as I like negative comments as much as positive ones, it gives me a chance to either overcome them, or explain them away. Ok that out the way here is an answer to your criticism.
The pole won't turn the valve off if its turned as long as the brush is not against the glass or something else. Only when the brush is held still will twisting the bottom of the pole turn the water on and off. Even if there was a case where the water was on when you wanted it off, or vice versa, it would only then take a second to turn it back on/off.
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Tim, I have no problem with showing how it works, it is patent applied for.
I just don't know how showing it on a window is going to make a difference. I did have a video and emailed it to Lee but he never received it, well hadn't the last time I spoke to him. More videos to follow.
Alex has had a prototype of the product, probably never done a video, if he has he is welcome to show it.
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Peter, what I think you've got there is a fantastic idea.. Do you have an idea of price, up against the Aquadapter?
Cheers
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Thanks David, not finalised a price yet but looks like it could be around £30 can't see it being any dearer, but could be a bit cheaper. How does that sound?
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That does look an extremely good idea if it works as well in use as it appeared to on that all too short video clip.
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Thanks David, not finalised a price yet but looks like it could be around £30 can't see it being any dearer, but could be a bit cheaper. How does that sound?
Sounds good to me Pete ;D
Where do I sign!
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love it, looks good and not over priced
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Not being funny but why are these inventions produced? What is the advantage over a simple push fit tap?
The only reason I can see to spend extra money and add more weight would be to eliminate the loop of hose produced by working with a tap on the hip?
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Dave, water is precious to the WFP window cleaner and the easier it is to stop it flowing when needed the more likely he is going to use it. Yes taps, remotes, triggers, are all being used to turn the water off and on, but they all have disadvantages over a device than can be at the top of the pole and be operated from the bottom.
Part of my Patent application has covered custom made goosenecks and angle joints with the Aquatap built in, and even a better valve for the bottom of the pole. The goosenecks and angle joints are something for the near future, but I can't see me ever wanting a valve for the bottom of the pole.
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DaveG, the end of July is when they will be available, I will probably take orders about 2 weeks before.
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Cheers
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Dave, water is precious to the WFP window cleaner and the easier it is to stop it flowing when needed the more likely he is going to use it. Yes taps, remotes, triggers, are all being used to turn the water off and on, but they all have disadvantages over a device than can be at the top of the pole and be operated from the bottom.
Part of my Patent application has covered custom made goosenecks and angle joints with the Aquatap built in, and even a better valve for the bottom of the pole. The goosenecks and angle joints are something for the near future, but I can't see me ever wanting a valve for the bottom of the pole.
Yes, I understand that but when a £9 valve does the same thing on a hip holster, what actually drives you to invent something more complex? Same with Aquadapter - why go to all that trouble to invent something that in my eyes isn't needed?
I'm not saying your tap is a bad thing I'm just interested to know why a tap is a bad thing?
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Mixed bag of comments on this new product. Personally, I'm impressed that Peter is attempting to solve a very real problem, and look forward to trying out the finished product. I was in the process of maybe purchasing a One-Shot remote control, but I think I'll hold off for the AquaTap. If it works well, it'll defo make life a lot easier for a lot of people. Well done Mr. Fogwill!
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Dave, water is precious to the WFP window cleaner and the easier it is to stop it flowing when needed the more likely he is going to use it. Yes taps, remotes, triggers, are all being used to turn the water off and on, but they all have disadvantages over a device than can be at the top of the pole and be operated from the bottom.
Part of my Patent application has covered custom made goosenecks and angle joints with the Aquatap built in, and even a better valve for the bottom of the pole. The goosenecks and angle joints are something for the near future, but I can't see me ever wanting a valve for the bottom of the pole.
Yes, I understand that but when a £9 valve does the same thing on a hip holster, what actually drives you to invent something more complex? Same with Aquadapter - why go to all that trouble to invent something that in my eyes isn't needed?
I'm not saying your tap is a bad thing I'm just interested to know why a tap is a bad thing?
Dave, I worked for 2 or 3 years using taps.. First I just used to have it dragging on the ground but they used to get damaged and caught on everything. Then I had a holster and got fed up with "wet leg syndrome". I then fixed it to my pole and thought I could live with the loop and it was great (turning water off between every window etc).. but that loop was soooo annoying!!
I went over to Aquadapters around 18 months ago and haven't looked back. I think Peters idea is great and will be serious competition for the Aquadapter, especially if its lighter and cheaper ;D
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As I thought it's the loop then?
Strangely, I don't get a wet leg ever ???
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Yep, for me it's definitely the loop. Can't speak for others tho..
Have you tried an Aquadapter?
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The single most annoying thing for me about wfp was that bloody loop, got cought up on everything including my feet every single job. Anything that get's rid of that is a good thing in my book.
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No I haven't. Although the loop drives me nuts I've never felt any urge to buy one.
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But one you tight git ;)
Mind you, my lad doesn't like the A/d and prefers a tap on the pole.. ::)roll
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Dave necessity is the mother of invention, if there was no advantages then I for one wouldn't have needed to invent something to solve a problem that doesn't exist. Why do we all use WFP's when a squeegee cleaned a window nearly as good? Why did we even use a squeegee when a chamois and scrim cleaned a window as good as a squeegee? It's not just the loop that a tool like the AquaTap is benificial for, there is also the fact that a lot of people use poles they want to add and take away sections from. Why fumble about with anything when a simple twist of the bottom of the pole you already have you hand on is all that's needed? Maybe if you were turning the water off a couple if times a day, but how many times does a window cleaner need to do that in a day. It's a bit like having to go underneath the sink to turn the tap on everytime you wanted water in the sink.
I must have sold over 1000 systems and every one of them has had some kind of water control starting with a remote, then moving on to the AutoBrush, and from now on the Aquatap. I for one think easy water control is a big advantage while using a WFP. Thanks for asking though.
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Mixed bag of comments on this new product. Personally, I'm impressed that Peter is attempting to solve a very real problem, and look forward to trying out the finished product. I was in the process of maybe purchasing a One-Shot remote control, but I think I'll hold off for the AquaTap. If it works well, it'll defo make life a lot easier for a lot of people. Well done Mr. Fogwill!
Thanks Barryy.
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Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.
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Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.
I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?
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Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.
I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?
No I have not Lee, in case of the aquadapter I do not want to use equipment that trades one downside for two more. Again, Peter's device looks like a step in the right direction, but again, like you say it looks like there is a downside of having to have the brush against something to turn it off. I would have to try this in real life to see how I would cope with it.
The reason I don't use an aquadapter is that it's more weight, especially being at the top of the pole, taller closed pole, more awkward operation. I don't understand why anyone would want to move one hand to grab the pole hose to shut off the flow? To me it's incredibly awkward. That is, if you are used to pinching the hose or using a trigger. It's a major downside. The device performs well that it shuts off the water, but it's got too many downsides.
When it comes to the actual control over the water, pinching the pole hose is effective.
An actual device that comes nearest to an ideal is a trigger, that gives you split second control of the water, and you don't have to move your hands.
Of course, there is a downside to that, the loop in the pole hose. But it does give you the option to grab and drag the actual microbore around corners, without having the stretch or tangle of a pole hose. A pole hose tidy doesn't weigh much, and allows you to keep the pole hose off the ground, reducing wear. There is a little bit more weight on the pole when using it on downstairs windows (the pole hose being on the pole), but when extending the pole, this disadvantage actually disappears completely, as the pole hose goes up the pole. Again, it has downsides, but I consider it to be better then a tap or aquadapter.
In short, what we want is a device that cuts off the flow without having to move your hands. I don't yet understand exactly how this tap works, but it looks like it at least achieves that.
The other big issue is that of the pole hose. If you really think about it, it's useless. It drags over the floor, collects dirt, wears the pole, it stretches when pulling around corners, it can get punctured more quickly.
The future is a pole that doesn't use an external pole hose.
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Tim, I think the Aquatap would solve the problems you mentioned, and can assure anyone that the brush being on the glass to operate is not a problem. Even if someone is rinsing with the brush off the glass then you are only a second away from leaning it against something to operate. Thinking about what you said about pole hose I set up customers to use the hose on the outside as standard and advise them to try and get used to that because of the advantages, and the disadvantages of an internal hose. Again some think it has to be on the inside because the guy down the road has it that way. Anyway I know what your saying about a pole without any hose either inside or outside but that would be a nightmare with seals to each section. It would need some kind of tubing running up each section, as if the pole sections them self filled with water it would add too much weight. Even if that was to be done you still need a hose to feed the pole.
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Tim, I think the Aquatap would solve the problems you mentioned, and can assure anyone that the brush being on the glass to operate is not a problem. Even if someone is rinsing with the brush off the glass then you are only a second away from leaning it against something to operate. Thinking about what you said about pole hose I set up customers to use the hose on the outside as standard and advise them to try and get used to that because of the advantages, and the disadvantages of an internal hose. Again some think it has to be on the inside because the guy down the road has it that way. Anyway I know what your saying about a pole without any hose either inside or outside but that would be a nightmare with seals to each section. It would need some kind of tubing running up each section, as if the pole sections them self filled with water it would add too much weight. Even if that was to be done you still need a hose to feed the pole.
Look forward to seeing more of the foggytap.
I agree that a no pole hose pole is unfeasible.
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Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.
I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?
Hi Lee, the twisting of the pole is a lot easier than pulling the hose, I work a bit up from bottom of pole and found myself searching for Hose especially on downstairs
and as for having the brush against something all glass has a frame and can't think
of a situation where you couldn't turn on or off.
I used peters auto brush (which I think was the first water saving device at the brush end) and it was good at the time but along came the aqua adapter which I changed
to and preferred due to the auto brush being difficult to switch on and off in certain
situations but after using the aqua tap that's what I will be using.
To be honest until you have had a chance to try it yourself it's hard to compare.
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I find the small pushfit tap in a holster is exactly where it needs to be. I have the holster to the front or very slightly offset. My hands never leave the pole I can also throttle the flow when above a vent or an open window.For me it's almost perfect bar the loop.
£9 a pop last for ages and can be changed in seconds. Why would I want to spend £60 a time for each pole and add weight?
Just can't get my head around either concept to be honest.
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I find the small pushfit tap in a holster is exactly where it needs to be. I have the holster to the front or very slightly offset. My hands never leave the pole I can also throttle the flow when above a vent or an open window.For me it's almost perfect bar the loop.
£9 a pop last for ages and can be changed in seconds. Why would I want to spend £60 a time for each pole and add weight?
Just can't get my head around either concept to be honest.
No disrespect, but you won't until you've tried them.
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I don't think anyone can make an honest judgement on what's the best solution until they have tried every single option on the market and, even then, it will be down to their own preference.....
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....I've tried them all, including hose pinching and, at the moment, Aquadapters are best for me. I like the look of AquaTaps but I use a swivel neck, so don't know how I would get on. Will definitely try one though.
Peter, how would they work with a modular pole?
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Modular pole is fine, the AquaTap is very smooth with very little resistance, so it will turn long before the sections would want to turn. I have opted for the inlet fitting to be on the outside of the AquaTap so that any type of hose or pole can be used.
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Modular pole is fine, the AquaTap is very smooth with very little resistance, so it will turn long before the sections would want to turn. I have opted for the inlet fitting to be on the outside of the AquaTap so that any type of hose or pole can be used.
Sounds good....
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what is the weight of the aquatap?
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Just over 70 grams.
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The latest Aquadapter is 125g according to their website....
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Just over 70 grams.
interesting... ;)
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I find the small pushfit tap in a holster is exactly where it needs to be. I have the holster to the front or very slightly offset. My hands never leave the pole I can also throttle the flow when above a vent or an open window.For me it's almost perfect bar the loop.
£9 a pop last for ages and can be changed in seconds. Why would I want to spend £60 a time for each pole and add weight?
Just can't get my head around either concept to be honest.
No disrespect, but you won't until you've tried them.
This is true. That's why I haven't rubbished them - I've never used either. It's the concept I can't understand that's all.
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For some people who are still struggling to get their head round the way the AquaTap works, below is an explanation I done in the window-tools forum..
Maybe this will help. Imagine just now you are holding the pole with your brush on the glass, you try and turn your pole a quarter turn and it won't move. Now imagine putting the AquaTap on the top of the pole, it can turn a quarter turn, so now when you turn the pole the bottom of your pole will make a quarter turn, and when it does it turns the water on. And when you turn it back a quarter turn it goes off again. If you hold the bottom and the top of the Aquatap it will turn and stop one way, then you can turn it back. That turning back and forth is moving something inside the Aquatap that allows the water to pass through, or its stopped by passing through depending if its open or shut.
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More information and video's here...
http://bit.ly/ZoMXLl
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More information and video's here...
http://bit.ly/ZoMXLl
peter that looks pretty good . all the best with it. not sure how itll fit into my gardiner set up. i didnt like the aquadapter purely because of the weight . interesting product and ill definitely check it out
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I would think a simple adapter which is probably available just now will make it compatible with the Gardiner pole. If not I will have one made as its a popular pole. Just want to get it on the market first, then look at all the options.
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For anyone that's interested I have set up a mobile site at aqua-tap.co.uk where I will be posting new information and videos when they become available, and also there will be a facility to buy one when they are ready for sale.
The site has just been put together quickly, and will be refined over the next month or so.
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think you need to change the release date it says april & its almost june. ;)
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Yes I will get that changed. Thanks.
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looks good, what happens if you need to work on an angle? with the pole off the glass or need the edge of the brush to clean down the side of the frame would it not turn the water off cus the pole twists?
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looks good, what happens if you need to work on an angle? with the pole off the glass or need the edge of the brush to clean down the side of the frame would it not turn the water off cus the pole twists?
No that shouldn't make any difference Dave, but the brush would have to be put back on the glass when your ready to turn the water back off.