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Ronnie Bryce

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #60 on: May 24, 2013, 08:02:18 pm »
The single most annoying thing for me about wfp was that bloody loop, got cought up on everything including my feet every single job. Anything that get's rid of that is a good thing in my book.

Dave Willis

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #61 on: May 24, 2013, 08:03:21 pm »
No I haven't. Although the loop drives me nuts I've never felt any urge to buy one.

DaveG

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #62 on: May 24, 2013, 08:07:57 pm »
But one you tight git  ;)

Mind you, my lad doesn't like the A/d and prefers a tap on the pole..  ::)roll

You can't polish a turd

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #63 on: May 24, 2013, 09:39:13 pm »
Dave necessity is the mother of invention, if there was no advantages then I for one wouldn't have needed to invent something to solve a problem that doesn't exist.  Why do we all use WFP's when a squeegee cleaned a window nearly as good? Why did we even use a squeegee when a chamois and scrim cleaned a window as good as a squeegee? It's not just the loop that a tool like the AquaTap is benificial for, there is also the fact that a lot of people use poles they want to add and take away sections from.  Why fumble about with anything when a simple twist of the bottom of the pole you already have you hand on is all that's needed?  Maybe if you were turning the water off a couple if times a day, but how many times does a window cleaner need to do that in a day.  It's a bit like having to go underneath the sink to turn the tap on everytime you wanted water in the sink.

I must have sold over 1000 systems and every one of them has had some kind of water control starting with a remote, then moving on to the AutoBrush, and from now on the Aquatap.  I for one think easy water control is a big advantage while using a WFP.  Thanks for asking though.

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #64 on: May 24, 2013, 10:18:22 pm »
Mixed bag of comments on this new product. Personally, I'm impressed that Peter is attempting to solve a very real problem, and look forward to trying out the finished product. I was in the process of maybe purchasing a One-Shot remote control, but I think I'll hold off for the AquaTap. If it works well, it'll defo make life a lot easier for a lot of people. Well done Mr. Fogwill!

Thanks Barryy.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #65 on: May 25, 2013, 12:29:40 pm »
Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.

Lee GLS

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #66 on: May 25, 2013, 12:35:13 pm »
Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.

I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #67 on: May 25, 2013, 02:04:27 pm »
Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.

I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?

No I have not Lee, in case of the aquadapter I do not want to use equipment that trades one downside for two more. Again, Peter's device looks like a step in the right direction, but again, like you say it looks like there is a downside of having to have the brush against something to turn it off. I would have to try this in real life to see how I would cope with it.

The reason I don't use an aquadapter is that it's more weight, especially being at the top of the pole, taller closed pole, more awkward operation. I don't understand why anyone would want to move one hand to grab the pole hose to shut off the flow? To me it's incredibly awkward. That is, if you are used to pinching the hose or using a trigger. It's a major downside. The device performs well that it shuts off the water, but it's got too many downsides.

When it comes to the actual control over the water, pinching the pole hose is effective.

An actual device that comes nearest to an ideal is a trigger, that gives you split second control of the water, and you don't have to move your hands.

Of course, there is a downside to that, the loop in the pole hose. But it does give you the option to grab and drag the actual microbore around corners, without having the stretch or tangle of a pole hose. A pole hose tidy doesn't weigh much, and allows you to keep the pole hose off the ground, reducing wear. There is a little bit more weight on the pole when using it on downstairs windows (the pole hose being on the pole), but when extending the pole, this disadvantage actually disappears completely, as the pole hose goes up the pole. Again, it has downsides, but I consider it to be better then a tap or aquadapter.

In short, what we want is a device that cuts off the flow without having to move your hands. I don't yet understand exactly how this tap works, but it looks like it at least achieves that.

The other big issue is that of the pole hose. If you really think about it, it's useless. It drags over the floor, collects dirt, wears the pole, it stretches when pulling around corners, it can get punctured more quickly.

The future is a pole that doesn't use an external pole hose.

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #68 on: May 25, 2013, 03:11:16 pm »
Tim, I think the Aquatap would solve the problems you mentioned, and can assure anyone that the brush being on the glass to operate is not a problem. Even if someone is rinsing with the brush off the glass then you are only a second away from leaning it against something to operate.  Thinking about what you said about pole hose I set up customers to use the hose on the outside as standard and advise them to try and get used to that because of the advantages, and the disadvantages of an internal hose.  Again some think it has to be on the inside because the guy down the road has it that way.  Anyway I know what your saying about a pole without any hose either inside or outside but that would be a nightmare with seals to each section.  It would need some kind of tubing running up each section, as if the pole sections them self filled with water it would add too much weight. Even if that was to be done you still need a hose to feed the pole.

[GQC] Tim

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #69 on: May 25, 2013, 03:19:23 pm »
Tim, I think the Aquatap would solve the problems you mentioned, and can assure anyone that the brush being on the glass to operate is not a problem. Even if someone is rinsing with the brush off the glass then you are only a second away from leaning it against something to operate.  Thinking about what you said about pole hose I set up customers to use the hose on the outside as standard and advise them to try and get used to that because of the advantages, and the disadvantages of an internal hose.  Again some think it has to be on the inside because the guy down the road has it that way.  Anyway I know what your saying about a pole without any hose either inside or outside but that would be a nightmare with seals to each section.  It would need some kind of tubing running up each section, as if the pole sections them self filled with water it would add too much weight. Even if that was to be done you still need a hose to feed the pole.

Look forward to seeing more of the foggytap.

I agree that a no pole hose pole is unfeasible.

paul13

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #70 on: May 25, 2013, 05:39:40 pm »
Does sound very interesting, look forward to seeing the finished product. There is definitely a gap in the market for this, as an Aquadaptor is just not ideal, having to pull the pole hose every time you want to cut the flow.

I think the aqua tap looks like a good idea, but the downside is having to have the brush against something to allow you to twist the pole to turn it off. Pulling to aquadapter is really easy, you hand is usually at the bottom of the pole anyway, it's so quick. Have you tried an aquadapter Tim?

Hi Lee,  the twisting of the pole is a lot easier than pulling the hose, I work a bit up from bottom of pole and found myself searching for Hose especially on downstairs
and as for having the brush against something all glass has a frame and can't think
of a situation where you couldn't turn on or off.
I used peters auto brush (which I think was the first water saving device at the brush end) and it was good at the time but along came the aqua adapter which I changed
to and preferred due to the auto brush being difficult to switch on and off in certain
situations but after using the aqua tap that's what I will be using.
To be honest until you have had a chance to try it yourself it's hard to compare.

Dave Willis

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #71 on: May 25, 2013, 06:25:51 pm »
I find the small pushfit tap in a holster is exactly where it needs to be. I have the holster to the front or very slightly offset. My hands never leave the pole I can also throttle the flow when above a vent or an open window.For me it's almost perfect bar the loop.
£9 a pop last for ages and can be changed in seconds. Why would I want to spend £60 a time for each pole and add weight?
Just can't get my head around either concept to be honest.

rg1

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #72 on: May 25, 2013, 08:16:40 pm »
I find the small pushfit tap in a holster is exactly where it needs to be. I have the holster to the front or very slightly offset. My hands never leave the pole I can also throttle the flow when above a vent or an open window.For me it's almost perfect bar the loop.
£9 a pop last for ages and can be changed in seconds. Why would I want to spend £60 a time for each pole and add weight?
Just can't get my head around either concept to be honest.

No disrespect, but you won't until you've tried them.
The pen is mightier than the sword (and a lot easier to write with!)

mattstanley

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #73 on: May 25, 2013, 08:28:30 pm »
I don't think anyone can make an honest judgement on what's the best solution until they have tried every single option on the market and, even then, it will be down to their own preference.....

mattstanley

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #74 on: May 25, 2013, 08:33:11 pm »
....I've tried them all, including hose pinching and, at the moment, Aquadapters are best for me. I like the look of AquaTaps but I use a swivel neck, so don't know how I would get on. Will definitely try one though.

Peter, how would they work with a modular pole?

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #75 on: May 25, 2013, 09:24:23 pm »
Modular pole is fine, the AquaTap is very smooth with very little resistance, so it will turn long before the sections would want to turn.  I have opted for the inlet fitting to be on the outside of the AquaTap so that any type of hose or pole can be used.

mattstanley

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #76 on: May 25, 2013, 09:26:39 pm »
Modular pole is fine, the AquaTap is very smooth with very little resistance, so it will turn long before the sections would want to turn.  I have opted for the inlet fitting to be on the outside of the AquaTap so that any type of hose or pole can be used.

Sounds good....

ben M

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #77 on: May 25, 2013, 09:39:31 pm »
what is the weight of the aquatap?

Peter Fogwill

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Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #78 on: May 25, 2013, 09:40:48 pm »
Just over 70 grams.

mattstanley

Re: Foggytap coming!!
« Reply #79 on: May 25, 2013, 09:44:48 pm »
The latest Aquadapter is 125g according to their website....