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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Central Window Cleaners on April 23, 2013, 04:11:50 pm
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Had some muppet pull up and stop me today while I was delivering flyers saying you cant flyer round here this is my patch.
I told him there is no such thing as your patch and I can flyer anywhere I want.
He said if I loose any customers there will be trouble, so I gave him a flyer.
He said what do I want a flyer for? I said so you know how to get in touch with me :-)
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is this in nuneaton
my lad works the town centre he has been told a few time get of my patch lol ;D ;D
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I know Nuneaton very well. was there on Sunday.
wasn't round camp hill was it??
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camp hill nice area lol
was it short guy withs glasses he has not to pennys to his name :P
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That's my patch, so geroffit!!
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joke .
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I've had some leaflets delivered and had a few calls , texts , telling me to get off their patch. Makes me more determined to find work in that area.
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Ive had a couple of these idiots spout off since I've been in this game.
I started to leaflet and door knock a new area to work in about 3 years ago. Set up about 50 custies. After a couple of months, some bloke tips up a few doors down and starts working the windows. After about 5 mins I walk over and say hello etc and introduce myself. He gives it the "this is my patch" routine.
I said something like "what's the problem, lots of houses that we can both work on and more than enough for 2 of us" etc. No, it's his patch and windies should stay away when someone is already in an area etc.
He had around 30 custies he said, and at that time I said nothing, just leafleted again and pulled another 75 + custies. After about another 3 or 4 months, he told his custies that he was no longer able to provide a service and was moving away.
There are still mongs like this about. Easy to spot, as their knuckles have scratches on them where they drag them along the ground.
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I was in Polesworth, Have not done Camp Hill yet as Nuneaton is currently over run with new window cleaners everywhere.
Seem to pass two or three on every street I work on these days.
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Had some muppet pull up and stop me today while I was delivering flyers saying you cant flyer round here this is my patch.
I told him there is no such thing as your patch and I can flyer anywhere I want.
He said if I loose any customers there will be trouble, so I gave him a flyer.
He said what do I want a flyer for? I said so you know how to get in touch with me :-)
I would have lamped him.
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Ive had a couple of these idiots spout off since I've been in this game.
I started to leaflet and door knock a new area to work in about 3 years ago. Set up about 50 custies. After a couple of months, some bloke tips up a few doors down and starts working the windows. After about 5 mins I walk over and say hello etc and introduce myself. He gives it the "this is my patch" routine.
I said something like "what's the problem, lots of houses that we can both work on and more than enough for 2 of us" etc. No, it's his patch and windies should stay away when someone is already in an area etc.
He had around 30 custies he said, and at that time I said nothing, just leafleted again and pulled another 75 + custies. After about another 3 or 4 months, he told his custies that he was no longer able to provide a service and was moving away.
There are still mongs like this about. Easy to spot, as their knuckles have scratches on them where they drag them along the ground.
brilliant
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
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just dont try and leaflet around some salford and bolton areas lads as you WILL get van windows smashed and tyres slashed!IT HAPPENS!! :( :(
luckily for me i only leaflet/canvass affluent areas!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
am on wirral and get it a lot over here too, what do you say to them?
U no there's a clean n clear already covering Liverpool wirral dont u lol
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
3 times I had it last week mike, only once this
Week so far! But it's 6 am on Tuesday morning
So there's plenty of time yet! ::)roll
Funny thing is I've had very little bother since I started
But since the start of this year it's happening more and more !
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I think i am going to get plenty of that over the next few weeks when i start targeting new areas cant wait bring it on . Mike
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colin its wednesday today mate!!and if i see you around canvassing near me then you know you ll have no van to work from.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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just dont try and leaflet around some salford and bolton areas lads as you WILL get van windows smashed and tyres slashed!IT HAPPENS!! :( :(
luckily for me i only leaflet/canvass affluent areas!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
When i started up, i lealfleted salford 6, had a run in with a tw*t there, ever since we just ignore each other, had a "warning "in Boothstown when i saw him, he just appologised and put it down to having a "bad day"
Talk is cheap!!!!
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colin its wednesday today mate!!and if i see you around canvassing near me then you know you ll have no van to work from.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Don't worry daz i can't stand dirty mancs anyway ;)
And your right I thought it was Tuesday
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There are some idiots about! What makes people think its there patch? Even if you have a whole weeks work in one estate you have no idea who is working in it the other 3 weeks in the month!!!!
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This used to happen to me on rare occasions. My response was to ask them how long they'd been cleaning windows in the area. Usual answer was something like 5-10 years. I told them I'd been cleaning all over the area for 40 years - they were on MY patch ;D
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Tell em to f%ck off and mind there own business! These idiots will die off soon anyway, there way of thinking is outdated and oldschool! ::)roll
This kind of thing isnt just in window cleaning either. i have a friend who does pc repairs and its the same with that trade too believe it or not! i laughed when i discovered this, thinking about little four eyed geeks threatening each other! lol.
In this life its suvival of the fitest my friends. you do or die, sink or swim. if you let people push you around then you dont stack up and your better off out the gene-pool... darwin's natural selection.
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Always a plus in Scotland......
I just say 'do you have a licence, pal?'
9 times out of ten, end of conversation.
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i have heard said that Ionics behave in a similar way to their competitors :P
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Now get off my forum all of you! this is my cyber patch!!! ;D
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Not had this yet but if it does il just say politly go away if not il grab them and say its my patch now ;D
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The unfortunate thing regarding posting flyers or knocking on doors is that window cleaners in general are looked down upon by a lot of people as they either, think we do it as pocket money, beer money, thieves, or don't like that we earn more than them.
Speaking as a window cleaner who has mainly covered areas like manchester, Warrington, Bolton, there always have been loads of window cleaners and in general if I clean a street, but knew another window cleaner was cleaning the next street, I would make sure if anyone asked us to clean the windows on the street we didn't clean, then I would pass it to that window cleaner and would expect him to do the same.
Speaking as someone with over 27 years experience, I have been one to question anyone who constantly knocks or posts on streets where we are as I have been there for years.
However, if another window cleaner cleans any of the houses we clean, then I have no problem at all, as this means either we haven't done a good job, or they just want to penny pinch.
My reasons are that during my experiences, there have been so many thieves or scruffs that are out there pretending to want to earn a living as a window cleaner, but have other motives, giving genuine hard working window cleaners a bad name.
I can only speak as a window cleaner from the north, so it may sound primitive to others from different parts of the country, but I would rather be over protective regarding my work than have some plank trying it on.
I have seen an old lady from sale in manchester, black and blue from a beating she received after opening her door to someone saying he was the window cleaner.
If you are going to the expense of having flyers done, it shows you are determined to be successful, but people must accept some people have opinions regarding safeguarding their work.
Unfortunately some people don't need any excuse to be threatening to others without accepting times have changed, and not for the better.
Just my opinion
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The unfortunate thing regarding posting flyers or knocking on doors is that window cleaners in general are looked down upon by a lot of people as they either, think we do it as pocket money, beer money, thieves, or don't like that we earn more than them.
Speaking as a window cleaner who has mainly covered areas like manchester, Warrington, Bolton, there always have been loads of window cleaners and in general if I clean a street, but knew another window cleaner was cleaning the next street, I would make sure if anyone asked us to clean the windows on the street we didn't clean, then I would pass it to that window cleaner and would expect him to do the same.
Speaking as someone with over 27 years experience, I have been one to question anyone who constantly knocks or posts on streets where we are as I have been there for years.
However, if another window cleaner cleans any of the houses we clean, then I have no problem at all, as this means either we haven't done a good job, or they just want to penny pinch.
My reasons are that during my experiences, there have been so many thieves or scruffs that are out there pretending to want to earn a living as a window cleaner, but have other motives, giving genuine hard working window cleaners a bad name.
I can only speak as a window cleaner from the north, so it may sound primitive to others from different parts of the country, but I would rather be over protective regarding my work than have some plank trying it on.
I have seen an old lady from sale in manchester, black and blue from a beating she received after opening her door to someone saying he was the window cleaner.
If you are going to the expense of having flyers done, it shows you are determined to be successful, but people must accept some people have opinions regarding safeguarding their work.
Unfortunately some people don't need any excuse to be threatening to others without accepting times have changed, and not for the better.
Just my opinion
.I'm from up North too and as a rule window cleaners don't pinch each others work where I live.
If someone asks me to clean their windows I always ask if the have a WC already. If so I say I will do them in future but only if they they decide not to use the other wc.
Regarding each others streets iI'm not 100% who cleans what
I see the odd windie about some on my streets some nearby but I've no idea the extent of their rounds.
How can I expand without door knocking?
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.I'm from up North too and as a rule window cleaners don't pinch each others work where I live.
If someone asks me to clean their windows I always ask if the have a WC already. If so I say I will do them in future but only if they they decide not to use the other wc.
Regarding each others streets iI'm not 100% who cleans what
I see the odd windie about some on my streets some nearby but I've no idea the extent of their rounds.
How can I expand without door knocking?
This is the way i see life too! ;) i never knowingly take another windys jobs. its not my way. im on speaking terms with about 10 windys round my way and there all sound. as usual there are a couple of idiots. i lost my temper with one the other day when i said hello. he just looked at me and turned away and carried on. so i said " f%ck off then ya mardy c%nt" he must have heard me too, even though i said it slightly under mt breath. hehe ;D
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Dg cleaning,
Where abouts do you clean
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Dg cleaning,
Where abouts do you clean
Barnsley
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Had this lark the other week in area where I've steadily picked up a few
I said
1. It's anyone's patch ... How old fashioned is that comment to say this is my patch
2. If its yours then educate the people on your patch to call you not me
3. People on your patch have come to me I haven't gone to them
4. I don't canvass and I guarantee I don't undercut
Response I got was ...
Aye fair point there's enough windows out there for everyone !!
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I will not under cut another window clean if someone phones for a quote I give them my price and that is it.
90% of the windows on the estate were filthy, so either no one uses him or he is doing a very poor job.
I have since found out he has been round to one of his customers in the street that he has found out is a friend of mine,
swearing at her and telling her I am steeling his work and that he is going to break my legs.
If that is the case why would he not take my details or come back to me.
Can't wait to bump in to him again when I go back to flyer the rest of the village.
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Mrs brown, yes I agree
How much water are you after
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In the 12 months I have been going I have never had this hostility when cleaning .
Whenever im cleaning and see another cleaner I always make a point to stop and talk to to them and I always give them my flyer ive even had jobs passed to me directly through them .
I did however have 1 neandrathal say to me I work all this area so dont bother but to be honest he's a bit of an inbred he wears socks and sandals with shorts in the snow .
He uses a trad pole and does his round on the bus lol . What a pleb !!!!
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Mrs brown, yes I agree
How much water are you after
Got sorted archer cheers mate ;) (had few jobs on & didn't think I had enough but got sorted) ps do u sell water ?
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I had one young feller (Irish traveller) come up to me one day and tell me he was the local window cleaner. I politely but firmly told him that I have a few customers on the estate and I will be continuing to service them, but that I was not about to take his or anyone else's customers.
This put him on the back foot, as he then said that that's ok with him, shook my hand and walked off.
I've never seen him work, and in fact I clean his mum's windows.
There's another windy I bump into occasionally. We have some customers in the same streets, but neither of us try to take each other's customers, and when we have time, stop and have a good chat. Once during one such chat we were both approached by a dodgy looking guy who wanted his windows cleaned. I gave the other windy first dibs on him. We both turned him down!
John
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ARCHER,
You said "but people must accept some people have opinions regarding safeguarding their work."
How would you safeguard your work?
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ARCHER,
You said "but people must accept some people have opinions regarding safeguarding their work."
How would you safeguard your work?
Have you met his mate stanley ???
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I think we have to be realistic on this subject. There are so many window cleaners now that 'treading on toes' is bound to happen.
I have my own ethical code when canvassing/quoting/following up enquiries:
I never ask whether someone already has a window cleaner - that's their business, if they want to tell me so they will.
If I do know they already have a window cleaner I never ask how much they're being charged.
If I'm canvassing, I knock and ask if the householder would like a quotation (having already delivered leaflets so they know who I am). If they say no, I thank them and move on. If they say yes then I give them my quotation, based on my current pricing structure.
They may or may not already have a window cleaner, I may or may not be cheaper - none of that matters. I have behaved ethically and given them my quotation together with a description of my service and its benefits. It is now up to the person to decide whether or not to accept that quotation.
This is based entirely on my pricing and my level of service. There has been no mention of whether or not they already have a cleaner and what he charges.
I would never decline an invitation to quote - I'm in business. If I win the job and it later transpires that I'm cheaper than the existing cleaner, that's business but I haven't tried in any way to deliberately undercut. If I'm more expensive then that just tells me the other man is not doing a good job.
Provided you always act ethically, no-one has any reason to complain and if they do I simply point out my operational methods as above.
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Chris Bacon,
I would try and get in touch with a scouse german to sort it for me, he would sort it 8)
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I think we have to be realistic on this subject. There are so many window cleaners now that 'treading on toes' is bound to happen.
I have my own ethical code when canvassing/quoting/following up enquiries:
I never ask whether someone already has a window cleaner - that's their business, if they want to tell me so they will.
If I do know they already have a window cleaner I never ask how much they're being charged.
If I'm canvassing, I knock and ask if the householder would like a quotation (having already delivered leaflets so they know who I am). If they say no, I thank them and move on. If they say yes then I give them my quotation, based on my current pricing structure.
They may or may not already have a window cleaner, I may or may not be cheaper - none of that matters. I have behaved ethically and given them my quotation together with a description of my service and its benefits. It is now up to the person to decide whether or not to accept that quotation.
This is based entirely on my pricing and my level of service. There has been no mention of whether or not they already have a cleaner and what he charges.
I would never decline an invitation to quote - I'm in business. If I win the job and it later transpires that I'm cheaper than the existing cleaner, that's business but I haven't tried in any way to deliberately undercut. If I'm more expensive then that just tells me the other man is not doing a good job.
Provided you always act ethically, no-one has any reason to complain and if they do I simply point out my operational methods as above.
Spot on Ian.
John
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I think we have to be realistic on this subject. There are so many window cleaners now that 'treading on toes' is bound to happen.
I have my own ethical code when canvassing/quoting/following up enquiries:
I never ask whether someone already has a window cleaner - that's their business, if they want to tell me so they will.
If I do know they already have a window cleaner I never ask how much they're being charged.
If I'm canvassing, I knock and ask if the householder would like a quotation (having already delivered leaflets so they know who I am). If they say no, I thank them and move on. If they say yes then I give them my quotation, based on my current pricing structure.
They may or may not already have a window cleaner, I may or may not be cheaper - none of that matters. I have behaved ethically and given them my quotation together with a description of my service and its benefits. It is now up to the person to decide whether or not to accept that quotation.
This is based entirely on my pricing and my level of service. There has been no mention of whether or not they already have a cleaner and what he charges.
I would never decline an invitation to quote - I'm in business. If I win the job and it later transpires that I'm cheaper than the existing cleaner, that's business but I haven't tried in any way to deliberately undercut. If I'm more expensive then that just tells me the other man is not doing a good job.
Provided you always act ethically, no-one has any reason to complain and if they do I simply point out my operational methods as above.
cheaper than you doesn't mean that the man is not doing a good job!!
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
3 times I had it last week mike, only once this
Week so far! But it's 6 am on Tuesday morning
So there's plenty of time yet! ::)roll
Funny thing is I've had very little bother since I started
But since the start of this year it's happening more and more !
Colin u get any trouble ring me ASAP
As il be straight over
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colin its wednesday today mate!!and if i see you around canvassing near me then you know you ll have no van to work from.YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Daz I'm thinking of doing quite abit
Around Salford ways but if u give me lessons
On the drums il reconsider and tell
That Colin Purewater guy Salford is crap !!!
What u saying ???
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Chris (archer) spking on my
30+ yrs in the game reading yr
Words was a testament to yrself
Some ppl need take a leaf outa yr
Book n treat me to a coffee lol
Or il have their work nxt !!!
Seriously chris thanks for yr hospitality
But that lap dancing bar was too much
Coffee was spot on though lol see ya soon !!!
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Oh boys b4 u think iv gone soft
I own all of north wales Cheshire and
Most of the world !!!
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Oh boys b4 u think iv gone soft
I own all of north wales Cheshire and
Most of the world !!!
Thats what you think ha ha ha .
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
3 times I had it last week mike, only once this
Week so far! But it's 6 am on Tuesday morning
So there's plenty of time yet! ::)roll
Funny thing is I've had very little bother since I started
But since the start of this year it's happening more and more !
Colin u get any trouble ring me ASAP
As il be straight over
would you turn up in your convertible and pirate outfit gav?
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Chris (archer) spking on my
30+ yrs in the game reading yr
Words was a testament to yrself
Some ppl need take a leaf outa yr
Book n treat me to a coffee lol
Or il have their work nxt !!!
Seriously chris thanks for yr hospitality
But that lap dancing bar was too much
Coffee was spot on though lol see ya soon !!!
Gav, spare a thought for those of us on here who speak English and not Bingo / Nokia!!!
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Chris Bacon,
I would try and get in touch with a scouse german to sort it for me, he would sort it 8)
;D ;D
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spare a thought for those of us on here who speak English and not Bingo / Nokia!!!
;D
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Oh boys b4 u think iv gone soft
I own all of north wales Cheshire and
Most of the world !!!
me thinks mr gavin was on the alcohol last nite
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Had some muppet pull up and stop me today while I was delivering flyers saying you cant flyer round here this is my patch.
I told him there is no such thing as your patch and I can flyer anywhere I want.
He said if I loose any customers there will be trouble, so I gave him a flyer.
He said what do I want a flyer for? I said so you know how to get in touch with me :-)
I would have lamped him.
No you wouldn't
You mean that would have been the first thought that came into your head. You possibly also mean that would have seemed the easiest and most appropriate response due to your lack of social skills and english language. Maybe what you are really trying to say is that you are unaware of the need to be rational in your responses to other people, that you have no social skills and sometimes this requires counting to 10, thats the first number after 9 by the way, so we don't respond with inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour that is likely to cause us more trouble than it is actually worth.
But you surely aren't that stupid are you.
You are! Oh, okay. Crack on.
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I think we have to be realistic on this subject. There are so many window cleaners now that 'treading on toes' is bound to happen.
I have my own ethical code when canvassing/quoting/following up enquiries:
I never ask whether someone already has a window cleaner - that's their business, if they want to tell me so they will.
If I do know they already have a window cleaner I never ask how much they're being charged.
If I'm canvassing, I knock and ask if the householder would like a quotation (having already delivered leaflets so they know who I am). If they say no, I thank them and move on. If they say yes then I give them my quotation, based on my current pricing structure.
They may or may not already have a window cleaner, I may or may not be cheaper - none of that matters. I have behaved ethically and given them my quotation together with a description of my service and its benefits. It is now up to the person to decide whether or not to accept that quotation.
This is based entirely on my pricing and my level of service. There has been no mention of whether or not they already have a cleaner and what he charges.
I would never decline an invitation to quote - I'm in business. If I win the job and it later transpires that I'm cheaper than the existing cleaner, that's business but I haven't tried in any way to deliberately undercut. If I'm more expensive then that just tells me the other man is not doing a good job.
Provided you always act ethically, no-one has any reason to complain and if they do I simply point out my operational methods as above.
cheaper than you doesn't mean that the man is not doing a good job!!
If he were doing a good job, why would the customer change to me when I'm more expensive?
(Perhaps that line in red should have been "If they accept my quote and I'm more expensive.............")
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9/10 if hes cheaper and the customer is looking for someone else and accepts a quote that's more expensive then something is wrong somewhere with his cleaning or relationship. its up to the customer who they want cleaning there windows... the same if you get a 2/3 quotes for a plumber its up to you who u choose.
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Oh boys b4 u think iv gone soft
I own all of north wales Cheshire and
Most of the world !!!
Apart from my few pitiful customers
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We had an irrate answer phone message from a window cleaner today unhappy because his customers had received a leaflet off us. he said it was out of order. he told us that we should do what he did and only flyer houses with dirty windows! :P
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Richard,
To be honest if ever we had posted leaflets, it has only been through houses with dirty windows.
We are in north west area, and can create all kinds of trouble depending on who's work gets them posted at
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am in the North West area and would post leaflets into every house, dont care what anyone says its completely down to the customer who they would like to use its as simple at as stright foward as that.
If you get a plumper a spark a gardener a roofer you choose who you want to use. why would it be any different for window cleaning? what your actually saying to the customer is you either have me clean your windows.. or no one else ???.. as if get a grip
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Richard,
To be honest if ever we had posted leaflets, it has only been through houses with dirty windows.
We are in north west area, and can create all kinds of trouble depending on who's work gets them posted at
I was asked to price up one of your jobs once. I declined only cos I knew you had it. Not due to being worried but simply as I know you already had it. If I didn't know who it was though who cleaned it then I'd price it up, simple as that
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Richard,
To be honest if ever we had posted leaflets, it has only been through houses with dirty windows.
We are in north west area, and can create all kinds of trouble depending on who's work gets them posted at
there's going to be all sorts of trouble then because there's loads of em going out each month now through every house on the street. i employ people to leaflet drop so they have to go through every door :o
if you give us a list of your customers i'll ask the leafleters to miss your clients of if you like ;)
i found when i canvas that the houses with dirty windows never want window cleaners anyhow. if they wanted their windows done they ll do them themselves until a window cleaner turns up.
its up to the customer if they want to try out a new service.
i have houses that we clean leafleted all the time. don't loose business to them though. even though we're about the most expensive in the area.
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Richard,
To be honest if ever we had posted leaflets, it has only been through houses with dirty windows.
We are in north west area, and can create all kinds of trouble depending on who's work gets them posted at
I was asked to price up one of your jobs once. I declined only cos I knew you had it. Not due to being worried but simply as I know you already had it. If I didn't know who it was though who cleaned it then I'd price it up, simple as that
we quote over the phone or online, and we dont undercut either.
likewise i know ive lost work to bob and ian in my area at times... it's just the nature of customers
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When I canvass I knock every door. If I am told they already have someone, I simply thank them for their time and go next door. I am looking, not to take another guy's work, but to find customers who don't already have a windy but would like to use my service.
There's too much of this territorialism going on. We all have to earn a living, and just because someone has work in an area doesn't give them the right to stop anyone else.
John
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Dave01203,
not sure if your reply was aimed at me, saying get a grip
but I was merely explaining that I would only post leaflets through the doors of houses with dirty windows, as I would BELIEVE that the clean windows would already have a customer and would not want to step on anyones toes, just the way I operate, and have operated for the past 25 years.
There is just an unwritten code of practice that USED TO happen between window cleaners, which is what I have just explained, but nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.
I also believe that it is entirely up to the customer who they choose to use as their window cleaner.
If im asked that's different, or if like someone has posted which is what I would do, I would always say if you have a window cleaner stay with him if your happy, if they are not then I will definatly give them a price in the hope of picking up the extra work.
However, with there being so many arseholes that pretend or think they are window cleaners, either weighing up houses, or just not giving a toss, it is these people that give genuine window cleaners a bad name.
I have worked hard over the years building my business and have worked stupid hours in the process, so I will look out for my business and also my customers,
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So what would your reaction be to someone blatantly undercutting you and taking your work then archer?
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Its a strange one this.
A mate of mine has in the past been undercut and lost work he's then found out who did it and they've given him the house back.
Its not something I would do if they want someone else then I'm happy to let them go.
If I canvass I'll do every house in the road but if I knew they definitely had a windie I'd give them a miss but I've no way of knowing.
I've found the ones with dirty windows in my area dont want them done as a rule.
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Chris (archer) spking on my
30+ yrs in the game reading yr
Words was a testament to yrself
Some ppl need take a leaf outa yr
Book n treat me to a coffee lol
Or il have their work nxt !!!
Seriously chris thanks for yr hospitality
But that lap dancing bar was too much
Coffee was spot on though lol see ya soon !!!
Gav, spare a thought for those of us on here who speak English and not Bingo / Nokia!!!
Nokia hell no if your having trouble
reading my text think you could be living in a different
Decade to the rest of us but that could just be
my opinion , still more important things to me
worry about than you needing to understand me
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There is just an unwritten code of practice that USED TO happen between window cleaners, which is what I have just explained, but nowadays that doesn't seem to be the case unfortunately.
it might have been better for the window cleaners, but not better for the customers. i would guess that the territorial window cleaners (and I dont think you are one of these by the way) would tend to be the traditional type (and by this i mean in terms of service style not cleaning style) who's service is in my experience often inferior to the newer breed of WCs. customers get better service now and they can choose which window cleaner's service style suits them best.
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Ste m,
I think people on here are missing my point.
If I lose work to someone undercutting me, then that is ok in my current position as I have quite a bit of work so wouldn't create too many problems in money sense.
It is the principal of not respecting each other, and for that reason alone I will protect what I have worked hard for, although I am only as good as my last job, so if I do a bad job, then it's obvious the customer will want a different window cleaner,,,,,,, I wouldn't blame them wanting a new window cleaner and cancelling me, not a problem
There is no point in me commenting anymore because it gets either twisted, or newer window cleaners don't share similar views.
I HAVE seen one of my customers, lady in her 80s black and blue from someone saying they where a window cleaner, not nice at all, completely sick.
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Richard,
I totally disagree with what you have said relating to traditional window cleaners being inferior to newer breed of window cleaners.
Window cleaning is not something that has just happened, it been going for years.
Speaking as a very good traditional window cleaner, and also a water fed pole window cleaner, I cannot separate the 2, apart from the safety aspect, which is well worth investing in and to promote our business as a very good job, rather than some people's views, like looking down on the window cleaner, and a lot of the time thinking we are to blame for everything.
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Everybody's work isn't safe really, there's no stopping anyone going to our customers and offering there service's., its whether you've built up a good relationship with your client's as to whether you keep there custom. There is for some of us on here respect for your fellow window cleaner's.
And sometimes from my experience even people you no take advantage of your kind nature by approaching customers you told them about, but hey thats business for you. Just my opinion. ;D
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Chris (archer) spking on my
30+ yrs in the game reading yr
Words was a testament to yrself
Some ppl need take a leaf outa yr
Book n treat me to a coffee lol
Or il have their work nxt !!!
Seriously chris thanks for yr hospitality
But that lap dancing bar was too much
Coffee was spot on though lol see ya soon !!!
Gav, spare a thought for those of us on here who speak English and not Bingo / Nokia!!!
Nokia hell no if your having trouble
reading my text think you could be living in a different
Decade to the rest of us but that could just be
my opinion , still more important things to me
worry about than you needing to understand me
iniit. ;D
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Amir Khans cousin iinniitt all the way from Bolton Tiwn iinniitt ;D
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Wire 1078 who you saying is Amir
Khan's cousin plz tell me !!!
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Come on wire 1078
Don't be shy who you having a dig
at Chris fr Archer???
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You never heard that said before, why would I be calling anyone on here ?
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You never heard that said before, why would I be calling anyone on here ?
No m8 I hadn't I took it you were
Having a pop at Archer I thought you
May of been jealous of his achievements
In the world of window cleaning !!
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I'm from Bolton does that mean Khan is my cousin as well ???
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No just com commenting on one of the post he said iiniit just a personal joke lol.
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omg lol pmsl i like your style though :D
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omg lol pmsl i like your style though :D
innit
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This can be pretty commonplace in Liverpool. They don't just see another cleaner and mind their own business, they're right over to you !!!
am on wirral and get it a lot over here too, what do you say to them?
U no there's a clean n clear already covering Liverpool wirral dont u lol
Just to answer this Dave i already know there is a clean n clear on the wirral. I've been threatened with legal action from him over the similarity in names. He can do what he likes, he's had his answer from me and i've not heard from him for about 9 months...........or more.
As for what do you say to them? I would say this.....i've been threatened and gave work up because of it, i've been threatened and stayed my ground and still have the work. I've made excuses to some cleaners why i'm there and others i've told to sling their hook !! Its never been an exact science. But if i'm 100% honest its a big downer on my day when i hear the clatter of ladders and some numpty comes over to me asking ......what do i think i'm doing? Had people ring up and tell me that unless my van is out such and such a road my legs will be broken, been stopped coming out of an estate asking where i've just been. To cut a story short my advice on what to say is this without any bravado................
Hold your ground, don't take the defensive. It can be hard to do especially if big guys are confronting you in an agressive manner. Do not try and justify why you are there, they'll name a million reasons why you shouldn't be there. Just accept the fact you are and its nothing to do with them. If you feel threatened then just say if you're after trouble or causing trouble i'll involve the police (straightaway). That should make them back off.
The worst thing i've ever done is to say i just do this or that one etc..because they then hold you to that and want to cause murder when you pick up more. So just chase them from the start.
These retards will have the same approach...........just chase them from the start. So if you dismiss them straightaway you should be good to go !!! I just try to dismiss them totally. i'm here for my customer, i'm not interested in your round, leave me alone, i don't wanna know, i'm not interested etc..
Report any incident to the police and you'll get an incident/log number, even if you've had a bit of a do in the day and nothing so much happened. They won't go investigate it but what you tell them will be on record, Its all on file for later use if need be.
I'm sure trading standards would be interested if approached in the correct manner of how many window cleaners conduct their business. Anyway, always remember one thing...........they're only window cleaners !!! ;D ;D
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its war time >:( lol
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Just to answer this Dave i already know there is a clean n clear on the wirral. I've been threatened with legal action from him over the similarity in names. He can do what he likes, he's had his answer from me and i've not heard from him for about 9 months...........or more.
As for what do you say to them? I would say this.....i've been threatened and gave work up because of it, i've been threatened and stayed my ground and still have the work. I've made excuses to some cleaners why i'm there and others i've told to sling their hook !! Its never been an exact science. But if i'm 100% honest its a big downer on my day when i hear the clatter of ladders and some numpty comes over to me asking ......what do i think i'm doing? Had people ring up and tell me that unless my van is out such and such a road my legs will be broken, been stopped coming out of an estate asking where i've just been. To cut a story short my advice on what to say is this without any bravado................
Hold your ground, don't take the defensive. It can be hard to do especially if big guys are confronting you in an agressive manner. Do not try and justify why you are there, they'll name a million reasons why you shouldn't be there. Just accept the fact you are and its nothing to do with them. If you feel threatened then just say if you're after trouble or causing trouble i'll involve the police (straightaway). That should make them back off.
The worst thing i've ever done is to say i just do this or that one etc..because they then hold you to that and want to cause murder when you pick up more. So just chase them from the start.
These retards will have the same approach...........just chase them from the start. So if you dismiss them straightaway you should be good to go !!! I just try to dismiss them totally. i'm here for my customer, i'm not interested in your round, leave me alone, i don't wanna know, i'm not interested etc..
Report any incident to the police and you'll get an incident/log number, even if you've had a bit of a do in the day and nothing so much happened. They won't go investigate it but what you tell them will be on record, Its all on file for later use if need be.
I'm sure trading standards would be interested if approached in the correct manner of how many window cleaners conduct their business. Anyway, always remember one thing...........they're only window cleaners !!!
Reading through the posts it appear's to be a bigger problem than i thought throughout the country i did not realize its happened to most on here.. i Started in early 2004 after working for a large company and ive had one or two of the usual get off my road or estate or what ever usually because am cleaning the house they used to clean and the customers got rid for the previous cleaners swearing to each other in the garden and when the home owner asked them to keep there voice down had a right go at her... then hes having a right go at me for taking the job ???
It does ruin your day when your having a happy day at that happens it certainly appears that you get it more over in Liverpool than wirral though, i try not to take much notice to them i just carry on cleaning but i tend not to try giving anything back as i dont want anything damaged like the van booted in lol.
As i said probably in 10 years ive had about 4/5 "your on my patch thing"
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Reading through the posts it appear's to be a bigger problem than i thought throughout the country i did not realize its happened to most on here.. i Started in early 2004 after working for a large company and ive had one or two of the usual get off my road or estate or what ever usually because am cleaning the house they used to clean and the customers got rid for the previous cleaners swearing to each other in the garden and when the home owner asked them to keep there voice down had a right go at her... then hes having a right go at me for taking the job ???
It does ruin your day when your having a happy day at that happens it certainly appears that you get it more over in Liverpool than wirral though, i try not to take much notice to them i just carry on cleaning but i tend not to try giving anything back as i dont want anything damaged like the van booted in lol.
As i said probably in 10 years ive had about 4/5 "your on my patch thing"
Dave there's real world and there's a CIU world. In the CIU world they're fine unless someone undercuts them. IN the real world they don't want another cleaner in the same road as them. And who is ever going to admit they lost a job because they where crap and someone came along and gave a bigger quote and got the job ?!! Archer makes me laugh, because whilst he's keen to protect his work and the vunerable old people he looks after he thinks nothing of darting to Formby to clean a solar panel courtesy of an offer here. Yep, a solar panel, all the way from Manchester and still maintaines his neighbourhoodwatch scheme. Now that wants some beating !!! ;D
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Clean clear,
Just to completely prove you wrong I have NEVER cleaned in formby, whether it be a solar panel or a huge building, so why would you come out with so much crap?
That's the problem with this forum, people like you coming out with rubbish.
Please tell me when you have apparently seen me in formby ::)roll? Because you havent
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
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;D ;D
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There's another E&M and I occasionally get customers ringing me from Fife. I point out I'd be happy to clean their windows but 800 miles is a rather a long commute. Still, if they pay travelling time...
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
PMSL. what, and have a punch up every time you meet another windy in the street? "Hey you, this is my street" wack, kapow!!! Just like in the old 60's Batman series! I love this forum.
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Clean clear,
Just to completely prove you wrong I have NEVER cleaned in formby, whether it be a solar panel or a huge building, so why would you come out with so much crap?
That's the problem with this forum, people like you coming out with rubbish.
Please tell me when you have apparently seen me in formby ::)roll? Because you havent
You're correct. It wasn't Formby i was misinformed !! I take it back.
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
PMSL. what, and have a punch up every time you meet another windy in the street? "Hey you, this is my street" wack, kapow!!! Just like in the old 60's Batman series! I love this forum.
All them Jujitsu fellas spend about half an hour rolling round on the floor. Seems like hard work to me.
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Cleanclear,
why did you say I would travel all that way to clean 1 solar panel, and who misinformed you.
Just for the record, I refuse a hell of a lot of work and certainly wouldn't travel distances like that for jobs like that.
Please tell me where it was, if it wasn't Formby ? because what I wrote was true and correct, I don't lie
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*voice of reason*
Cleanclear is getting ARCHER confused with Ronnie Patton. Ronnie recently replied to Solar Steves request for somebody to clean a small array of solar panels in Formby and carried out the work.
*Carry on as you were*
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*voice of reason*
Cleanclear is getting ARCHER confused with Ronnie Patton. Ronnie recently replied to Solar Steves request for somebody to clean a small array of solar panels in Formby and carried out the work.
*Carry on as you were*
He didn't even apologize for that daft rant. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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deeege,
Thank you for your voice of reason, I hadn't got a clue what cleanclear was going on about.
Although from his original comment he WAS adamant in thinking it was me, and saying I travel such distances for 1 window.
Where do you clean ? what areas ?
Cleanclear,
what areas do you clean, and what type of work do you do ? just being nosey
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deeege,
Thank you for your voice of reason, I hadn't got a clue what cleanclear was going on about.
Although from his original comment he WAS adamant in thinking it was me, and saying I travel such distances for 1 window.
Where do you clean ? what areas ?
Cleanclear,
what areas do you clean, and what type of work do you do ? just being nosey
Solar panel specialist, anywhere in North west.
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*voice of reason*
Cleanclear is getting ARCHER confused with Ronnie Patton. Ronnie recently replied to Solar Steves request for somebody to clean a small array of solar panels in Formby and carried out the work.
*Carry on as you were*
Spot on, that why i said i take it back. But Archer does look after his customers and protects them from other maybe unscrupulous window cleaners. ;D He's a good guy.
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Cleanclear,
thanks.
Am I correct in believing you do solar panel cleaning then?
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
PMSL. what, and have a punch up every time you meet another windy in the street? "Hey you, this is my street" wack, kapow!!! Just like in the old 60's Batman series! I love this forum.
All them Jujitsu fellas spend about half an hour rolling round on the floor. Seems like hard work to me.
So let me get this right mate. If someone is on your "patch" or you find yourself working in an area that some other mong reckons is his patch, that's a cue to start pretending to be Bruce Lee and start hitting the guy? Your advice in "patch" disputes is to start knocking eachother about? That's the best solution for situations like this is it? ;D ;D ;D
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Chris Bacon,
after having many arguments with eachother, I cant help but laugh at your wit
I hate to admit it, but you make me laugh :D
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That's because I spill my spaghetti hoops down my bib when I talk mate ;D By the way, your brother's ya dad! ;)
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Ha ha, so do I......... my sisters my mum as ;) well
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Chris thought you were from Bolton, not Burnley!!
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
PMSL. what, and have a punch up every time you meet another windy in the street? "Hey you, this is my street" wack, kapow!!! Just like in the old 60's Batman series! I love this forum.
All them Jujitsu fellas spend about half an hour rolling round on the floor. Seems like hard work to me.
So let me get this right mate. If someone is on your "patch" or you find yourself working in an area that some other mong reckons is his patch, that's a cue to start pretending to be Bruce Lee and start hitting the guy? Your advice in "patch" disputes is to start knocking eachother about? That's the best solution for situations like this is it? ;D ;D ;D
@...Chris. You've got me all wrong buddy. when i said "you lot need to learn gracie jiu jitsu" to be more specific, what i men't was... You lot all need to learn 'self defense'. as so your all not afraid of other people. Not to anable you to fight just to give one the confidence To stand verbally stand up for yourself. I'll leave you with a quote from the head guy in self defence... "A few honest un-afraid words will put a bully in his place" :)
Thanks
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You lot all need to learn gracie jiu jitsu! end of! ;)
PMSL. what, and have a punch up every time you meet another windy in the street? "Hey you, this is my street" wack, kapow!!! Just like in the old 60's Batman series! I love this forum.
All them Jujitsu fellas spend about half an hour rolling round on the floor. Seems like hard work to me.
So let me get this right mate. If someone is on your "patch" or you find yourself working in an area that some other mong reckons is his patch, that's a cue to start pretending to be Bruce Lee and start hitting the guy? Your advice in "patch" disputes is to start knocking eachother about? That's the best solution for situations like this is it? ;D ;D ;D
@...Chris. You've got me all wrong buddy. when i said "you lot need to learn gracie jiu jitsu" to be more specific, what i men't was... You lot all need to learn 'self defense'. as so your all not afraid of other people. Not to anable you to fight just to give one the confidence To stand verbally stand up for yourself. I'll leave you with a quote from the head guy in self defence... "A few honest un-afraid words will put a bully in his place" :)
Thanks
I don't think we need to do a self defence course to be able to clean windows.
Anyway a bit of fear in these situations is healthy. :D
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Why do you think some of us are afraid of other windies? It's all bollix that you need some kung fu to help you run your business mate. I've had a mong over here try to scare me off once. I arranged to meet the prat and told him to concentrate on his own stuff and not to bother me anymore. Job done, no broken bones.
If these sort of people are still out there threatening anyone, you just need to report 'em. Someone already said what to do with a case number etc. No need to go off and paint fences or "wax on, wax off" stuff. Just get on with earning your money and leave the coppers to sort out the mongs. Simples.
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Fair play Chris and DG. Now lets all get along like good boys and play nicely with the other's!
Oh, and no spraying the other boy's with you water pistols! Sorry i mean water fed poles ;D
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Fair play Chris and DG. Now lets all get along like good boys and play nicely with the other's!
Oh, and no spraying the other boy's with you water pistols! Sorry i mean water fed poles ;D
;D ;D