Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: roundbuilder on December 13, 2012, 07:21:30 pm
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Hello Mike,
It was great speaking to you and as a follow-up on our call I wanted to send over the information discussed, please feel free to ask for any further information.
As you are interested in distributing within Blackheath, please see the demographic area map for SE3 attached. This map shows how we build our distribution areas and it shows the number of the residential delivery addresses on the right-hand side of the document. We use the Geoplan software for our maps and, as it counts the letterboxes, it gives a more accurate number of the delivery addresses and it’s also updated every three to six months. Please let me know if you would like to see any other maps.
January is a great time to and so please book your date as soon as you can as the calendar is already filling up for January. As you would like to distribute in Blackheath I would recommend expanding your area because there are only 13,893 residential delivery addresses in SE3 and you were interested in distributing 50,000 leaflets. You could expand to surrounding areas, and you could also expand to other areas in London.
We may not be the cheapest leaflet distribution company but we’re constantly improving our service and invest heavily in the service we provide. For instance we’ve just introduced GPS tracking for all of our residential delivery joggers and supervisors, as well as iPads for our supervisors to enable us to track the joggers in real-time, down to the door number. We’ve also retained every customer we’ve taken on, and we’re the biggest and fastest growing leaflet distribution company in the UK. We plough a lot resource back into our distribution service and are honest with our clients about the cost of carrying out distributions without cutting corners. In short we provide a much higher level of service than other leaflet distribution companies.
As you are interested in distributing 50,000 leaflets, the cost for this would be £2,500 + VAT. This distribution could be completed in one day with 5 teams of 8 joggers and a non-distributing supervisor for each team (5 supervisors). Please let me know if you’d like to break the distribution up over more than one day, this wouldn’t increase the cost of your distribution.
Standard Residential Distribution Quote
All our distributions are solus and this means that no other companies media will be distributed along with yours.
Leaflets Standard Price
1,250 - £100 + VAT
2,500 - £200 + VAT
3,750 - £250 + VAT
5,000 - £300 + VAT
6,250 - £350 + VAT
7,500 - £400 + VAT
8,750 - £450 + VAT
10,000 - £500 + VAT
50,000 - £2,500 + VAT
Each additional increment of 10k (above 10K) is charged at £500 + VAT.
We also offer print related services in the form of a print quote beating business and we are able to beat most of the quotes in the industry. Print runs take seven working days (or five working days when using accelerated delivery at an extra cost) and we would need cleared payment before being able to proceed with print runs. We also provide leaflet design services with an approximate turn-around time of two to five working days.
Please feel free to click on the link below to see our customer response at the independent ratings website Free Index (we are currently ranked number 1 out of over 500 leaflet distribution companies): http://www.freeindex.co.uk/profile%28jog-post-ltd%29_196180.htm.
You can see our promotional video by clicking on the link below: www.Jogpost.co.uk.
Feel free to get back to me with any questions at all, I would be more than happy to help.
Best regards,
Mbali Madi
Account Manager
Unit 7
River Brent Business Park
Trumpers Way
Hanwell
London
W7 2QA
www.jogpost.co.uk
T: +44(0)20 7731 8994
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Hold on hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why dont you just go on gum tree and employ a canvasser and get way more work thats more compact!?? :P
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They do seem verey professional and do all the research with percentages of houses, flats etc.
i have never leafleted myself before and was planning on doing it myself with my mrs, daughter and workers.
jogpost can do it all in 1 go same day for £2500+vat or i can do it for next to nothing but my time time.
guys who have done there own leaflets how many can you realisticly drop in a day per man/woman/kid.
Just trying to weigh it all up if worth it or not just to get it all done in 1 day.
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Hold on hold on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why dont you just go on gum tree and employ a canvasser and get way more work thats more compact!?? :P
Lee i have already done that part now i want to fill in the gaps even more.
My whole business has been built from canvassers. Im using your online advice to give it a go. Its a shame you cant agree with me that canvassing is the king for building domestic window cleaning work up.
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
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It seems fishy to me
Do you honestly think they will have 45 people in one town in one day delivering your leaflets all for £2500.
That does not sound truth, or a substainable business model.
Most likely to be poop
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
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Also each jogger has a tracker device.
so thats £55.00 per man per day
40 trackers
Travelling costs
Admin
Where do they make there profit ?
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Also each jogger has a tracker device.
so thats £55.00 per man per day
40 trackers
Travelling costs
Admin
Where do they make there profit ?
Thats a valid point there. Unless they work round the clock with endless contracts it cant be that great for them.
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It seems fishy to me
Do you honestly think they will have 45 people in one town in one day delivering your leaflets all for £2500.
That does not sound truth, or a substainable business model.
Most likely to be poop
exactly what i thought! 45 people that 2.5k will be spent on wages and that would only give them £55 each! nothing left in it for jog post...something isnt right.
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Also each jogger has a tracker device.
so thats £55.00 per man per day
40 trackers
Travelling costs
Admin
Where do they make there profit ?
my father saw them in action monday they did a 5k leaflet drop for my brothers pc shopcost him £300+vat just as micks email says his words were "they were very good" and my old man isnt sold things easy!
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leaflet lads n lasses come n go like the wind. its a hard slog, harder than cleaning windows and will burn you out , if they can skive they will
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Dont forget though they JOG which would speed it up by 50%.
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Its all about non compact work mate, you can charge what you like sometimes an extra 25% of the going rate thats how day rates add up over the day also mick, lees does 6-12 weeks so that bumps it up another 25% do you do monthlys cos on monthlys i find sometimes the price needs to be right, but when you are pricing up 12 weekly work yea it means you need 3x more work but when you get there the customer is prepared to pay you 2x he monthly rate just to have you less times a year its nuts again that adds up to the day rate!
this is the thing some people dont see the benifit of non compact work
also next door cant mess up your raving customer
For example a £15 house you could charge £20 but if you had 3 in a row its could happen that one of the 3 doesnt wana pay more then £12 talks to the other 2 and before you know it you take a pay cut or walk,
actually recelty i was cleaning a£12 front next door comes out so £24 next time another one comes out they all know each other , and it becomes £36 so i turn up again smiley happy only to be told that they feel they should be paying less as i have 3 in a row had to choose between £8.50 each so back down to £25 , took the offer cos it was still worth it but still you see what im trying to get at also with compact work if sally at number one has a go at you for water on windows you can bet your bottom quid that marry at number 3 all of a sudden wants to cancel,
so by having work spred around i think its a benifit not a disadvantage swings in round abouts too i guess i do have 4 in a row full houses and they been sweet for 2 years one of them has always been at brinking point and im dreading her canceling then next door asking why,,, lol
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Also each jogger has a tracker device.
so thats £55.00 per man per day
40 trackers
Travelling costs
Admin
Where do they make there profit ?
Maybe they are doing some other companies leaflets at the same time ? this way might cover their costs and some profit ?
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Yes Mick i was working out the same thing about Lees claim of 22K per month, perhaps he tops te money with jet washing and so on..... ;)
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It seems fishy to me
Do you honestly think they will have 45 people in one town in one day delivering your leaflets all for £2500.
That does not sound truth, or a substainable business model.
Most likely to be poop
Dave its not poop im telling you, ive been using them all year and it really does get done, you can spend the whole day in the car with the team leaders and see it with your own eyes which ive done several times, its amazing.
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Yes Mick i was working out the same thing about Lees claim of 22K per month, perhaps he tops te money with jet washing and so on..... ;)
I dont think thats the case as again not enough hours in a day how are hou meant to clean 20-25 odd houses as well as a pressure washing or another extra job day in day out?? , i offer all the extras and you probably do too but only so many want extra servises and are all now and again. Im sure lee will tell how soon.
the only way i can see it working having 11k for 1 van with 2 men for me is to charge £15 for fronts and £25 for full front and back which id never get away with even If i changed to 6 weekly which would still be 20-25 houses a day. Lets face it in the real world its near impossible to achieve them this unless you have a full round in chelsea or similar.
Either lee is a genius or the 11k per van is worked out 6 weekly and not monthly like he said which would be £366 a day all day every day. If i proper went for it wit another worker with my priceing how it is at a max i could bit £350 maybe 4 but defo no way £550 a day all day everyday.
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Mick dont you email your number to me and I will call and tell you. lee@pryors-uk.com
For now I can tell you that im not making it up and have built my entire business from leaflets so I guess its not all bad after all. Why should I reveal all my methods on here just because some people dont believe me. It has taken me 10 years and literaly thousands of pounds to build my formular
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Yes Mick i was working out the same thing about Lees claim of 22K per month, perhaps he tops te money with jet washing and so on..... ;)
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Mick dont you email your number to me and I will call and tell you. lee@pryors-uk.com
For now I can tell you that im not making it up and have built my entire business from leaflets so I guess its not all bad after all. Why should I reveal all my methods on here just because some people dont believe me. It has taken me 10 years and literaly thousands of pounds to build my formular
lee i do believe you and proper admire what you have built and yes a bit of envy from me so there you go big up. The way my brain works is if someone else can do it then so can i. Just trying to work out your magic formular. Ill give you my number 2moz which will give me time to try work it out. Just tell me is it the extras that proper bump it up over regular work?.
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i think its just the prices, full houses at £20 dont take long 2 men
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Mick dont you email your number to me and I will call and tell you. lee@pryors-uk.com
For now I can tell you that im not making it up and have built my entire business from leaflets so I guess its not all bad after all. Why should I reveal all my methods on here just because some people dont believe me. It has taken me 10 years and literaly thousands of pounds to build my formular
lee i do believe you and proper admire what you have built and yes a bit of envy from me so there you go big up. The way my brain works is if someone else can do it then so can i. Just trying to work out your magic formular. Ill give you my number 2moz which will give me time to try work it out. Just tell me is it the extras that proper bump it up over regular work?.
Of course you can do it. The answer to your question is yes and no. it makes no difference if there are extras or not we can do that on just windows, if there are extras maybe more maybe the same. If I send one guy out for the day £350-£400 if 2 people £550-£650 and that IS what we do day in day out. There are several ways I achieve this. See if you can guess. Damn I should be charging for this pure gold info!!!
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Which bit did you not understand?
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Which bit did you not understand?
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Go and tell jogpost then.
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I think I know how Lee does it, basically he charge more, ie: he target larger houses which he can charge up to about £30 every 6 weeks which only take two men around 20 minutes to do
(by the way you can charge these kind of prices in south east )
let say 3x 20 minutes in one hour and if they do only 5 hours they can achieve £450 per day, in fact in some houses you can charge up to £50.
How do I know this?
Well I charge that kind of prices, just on window cleaning alone. ;)
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You can do 200 a hour on easy houses 120 on normal houses.its hard graft.
If your determined i think its possible to 1200-1500 a day.
Im looking at doing a large leaflet drop in the new year.i have about 10 to 15k of leaflets in the office.
Plan os to get them delivered and then follow it up with canvassers.
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I do believe those daily amounts are achievable. Before I had to take it a bit easier (due to RSI) I was doing 300-350 daily on my own.
It's all down to pricing. I have an extra 3 hours a day which I could fill and that will happen once my shoulders are sorted, and will be back at the rates which most on here think is pie in the sky.
I remember a few years ago, I was telling people I do 4 connie cleans a day at weekends at average 125 each, no one believed me. Pittmonkey came out with me on one of those days and saw its easily possible.
It takes a time to get there. At the moment, I have what I consider the best round. All priced right, best payers, and I work no more than 5 hours a day 3 or 4 days a week, and keeps me very comfortable :)
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Sorry Dani wrong again although we do have good prices. You can clearly see them on my website. We dont target anything, we blanket entire areas and wait for the phone to ring.
In all honesty there lots of factors to generating that amount. let me list some.
price
how compact
the order you clean the houses in
size of water tank and flow rate
technique when cleaning
time you start and finish each day
size of the area you cover
decent poles and brushes.
the way you pay your staff (NEVER pay an hourly rate)
how much work you actualy have
I could go into more detail on each of those points but I think those are the things you need to pin down
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Lee.
Do you think you have lowered your average price since you have employed more guys than when you started.
I remember your prices were higher than mine, now mine seem to be higher than yours.
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Lee what is your average price?
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Alex, I chop and change over the years. so yes and no
Mick £20 a 6weeker £28-30 a 12 weeker. We now get a 50/50 split of 6 and 12
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Lee what is your average price?
You are just like a jack Russell lol, I will not let go till I'm done lol
I really need to speak to u about canvassing , would u text me your number 07756 519906
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this is what im on about 50k in one bloody day ,,, m8t each person can do say 600 at a stedy pace, sometimes 800 and im talking constant pace 2 of you would do it say 2 months with the odd day off here and there maybe 5 days a week 2 months, or for £2,5k+vat 1 day saves you 2 months, whats 2 months of your time worth :?
i think i will just wait a few months of doing the sold boards to get an extra 50 customers.
Ill get 50000 leaflets made up still to use when canvassing next round in new year for the houses where no one is in. That way im getting best of both worlds and wont be disapointed if next to no jobs come from it.
I would like to know your secret lee to be hitting 22k a month with just 2 vans. I have done all the maths with what i can achieve by working like a blue arse fly on my 2 rounds but i dont think there is enough hours in a day. 11k a month per van without commercial is nearly double me and i do early hours commercial work which also is well priced. In fact 1 of your vans does just short of 2 of mine in a month. How have you managed to get £550 a day per van from leaflet drop campaigns coz you must have to move van 40 odd times a day unless your a erage house price is £40 odd. what is your average house price/jobs done per day mine is £10 fronts £15-20 f+b so say £15. I want to get to your level but cant for the life of me work out how i can manage it even if i use 2 men in a van.
Yes Mick i was working out the same thing about Lees claim of 22K per month, perhaps he tops te money with jet washing and so on..... ;)
I dont think thats the case as again not enough hours in a day how are hou meant to clean 20-25 odd houses as well as a pressure washing or another extra job day in day out?? , i offer all the extras and you probably do too but only so many want extra servises and are all now and again. Im sure lee will tell how soon.
the only way i can see it working having 11k for 1 van with 2 men for me is to charge £15 for fronts and £25 for full front and back which id never get away with even If i changed to 6 weekly which would still be 20-25 houses a day. Lets face it in the real world its near impossible to achieve them this unless you have a full round in chelsea or similar.
Either lee is a genius or the 11k per van is worked out 6 weekly and not monthly like he said which would be £366 a day all day every day. If i proper went for it wit another worker with my priceing how it is at a max i could bit £350 maybe 4 but defo no way £550 a day all day everyday.
we could hit £550 each day everyday with 2 workers in 1 van. No bother and no complaints from staff.
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(NEVER pay an hourly rate) you got em on % ? paye?
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(NEVER pay an hourly rate) you got em on % ? paye?
Yes so how do you pay them Lee ?
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Sorry Dani wrong again although we do have good prices. You can clearly see them on my website. We dont target anything, we blanket entire areas and wait for the phone to ring.
In all honesty there lots of factors to generating that amount. let me list some.
price
how compact
the order you clean the houses in
size of water tank and flow rate
technique when cleaning
time you start and finish each day
size of the area you cover
decent poles and brushes.
the way you pay your staff (NEVER pay an hourly rate)
how much work you actualy have
I could go into more detail on each of those points but I think those are the things you need to pin down
Yes all interesting points, which i do practice as well, but about your staff? how do you pay them ?
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Text u mick
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They only deliver 1 leaflet at a time
the unbelievable thing is, that they have 45 guys delivering your leaflets
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
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Lee why be secretive on % you pay what harm would that do to you or yiur busines to say this ? (I only wrote this because you made a point of saying Dont ask what it is)
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Seems to be an awful lot of VAT registered windowcleaners about lately. :)
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Seems to be an awful lot of VAT registered windowcleaners about lately. :)
I am thinking the same, although I do believe that these figures are achievable...
so how is the vat situation dealt with?
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So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ? Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?
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how does being paid a percentage work with holiday/sick pay?
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees responsibility.
And so many more advantage.
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees responsibility.
And so many more advantage.
the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.
who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.
I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees responsibility.
And so many more advantage.
the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.
who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.
I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.
I think you find Ian Lancaster Franchisees’ don’t go above V.A.T. threshold , hence non of them pay V.A.T.
Check it out with Ian, is very interesting concept . That’s of course if you can run a franchisee like him.
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The franchisees may not go above 68k and so they would stay under the VAT threshold but as soon as the Franchisors income exceeds 68k then he has to add VAT to his franchisees royaltys , so if he is charging them 20% it would indeed be 20% + VAT
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees responsibility.
And so many more advantage.
the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.
who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.
I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.
I think you find Ian Lancaster Franchisees’ don’t go above V.A.T. threshold , hence non of them pay V.A.T.
Check it out with Ian, is very interesting concept . That’s of course if you can run a franchisee like him.
Aggreed ian lancaster is the don and when i have enough work and customers i will follow hes genius concept.
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The franchisees may not go above 68k and so they would stay under the VAT threshold but as soon as the Franchisors income exceeds 68k then he has to add VAT to his franchisees royaltys , so if he is charging them 20% it would indeed be 20% + VAT
VAT threshold is £77,000.00 pa
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So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ? Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?
When you employ people you have to give them a basic pay. Mine are all on the minimum wage which is nothing. They double that or more with their turnover, which is done as a daily bonus. So when they take holliday I only have to pay the minimum wage for that day.
VAT is a normal part of 99% of businesses, its not a problem when you get passed 100K. If your going to go vat registered then plan carfully so you get throught the tough bit quick 77-100k
dont be afraid of vat just grow your business
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So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ? Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?
When you employ people you have to give them a basic pay. Mine are all on the minimum wage which is nothing. They double that or more with their turnover, which is done as a daily bonus. So when they take holliday I only have to pay the minimum wage for that day.
i see so you give them min wage + at least double that if they hit a monthly target so for example they could be earning about £12-£14 per hour which is very good for them im intrested to know as i might be employing and need to know the secrets of keeping people happy,some people say dont pay them too much but you are one of the few people who openly speaks out it clearly works how ever you are paying them and it makes sence that they work hard its a big difference to earn double your wage,you must have some loyal workers m8t
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Dave it really is an amazing business and process.
I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.
Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.
Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.
Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.
I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees responsibility.
And so many more advantage.
the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.
who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.
I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.
Yes but with Ian's model you are at 77k of pure profit when you get there, not 77k with wages, insurance, holiday/sick pay, vehicle tax, equipment, resin/ro, depreciation and so on to deduct.
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Love the quote there: "Dont be afraid of VAT juts grow the business".
Almolst sums up success with work or anything else: Dont be afraid, just have a go. Too many people are too scared of failure and dont realise how close they are to success.
Cheers,
Caleb
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VAT is a normal part of 99% of businesses, its not a problem when you get passed 100K. If your going to go vat registered then plan carfully so you get throught the tough bit quick 77-100k
dont be afraid of vat just grow your business
Well put! We have been there and culled some work to get back under, all the bad paying dogs!
Same old story we're back there again :-\ Need to rush past the £100k mark then ;D