[Moderator David@stives]

They only deliver 1 leaflet at a time

the unbelievable thing is, that they have 45 guys delivering your leaflets

[Lee Pryor]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

[Window Washers]

Lee why be secretive on % you pay what harm would that do to you or yiur busines to say this ? (I only wrote this because you made a point of saying Dont ask what it is)

[Dave Willis]

Seems to be an awful lot of VAT registered windowcleaners about lately. 

[james peters]

Seems to be an awful lot of VAT registered windowcleaners about lately. 

I am thinking the same, although I do believe that these figures are achievable...

so how is the vat situation dealt with?

[Crystal-clear]

So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ?  Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?

[g.brookes]

how does being paid a percentage work with holiday/sick pay?

[Dani J]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees  responsibility.
And so many more advantage. 

 

[Window Washers]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees  responsibility.
And so many more advantage. 

 

the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.

who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.

I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.

[Dani J]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees  responsibility.
And so many more advantage. 

 

the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.

who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.

I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.

I think you find Ian Lancaster Franchisees’ don’t go above V.A.T. threshold  , hence non of them pay V.A.T.

Check it out with Ian, is very interesting concept . That’s of course if you can run a franchisee like him. 

[Rogue Trader]

The franchisees may not go above 68k and so they would stay under the VAT threshold but as soon as the Franchisors income exceeds 68k then he has to add VAT to his franchisees royaltys , so if he is charging them 20% it would indeed be 20% + VAT

[roundbuilder]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees  responsibility.
And so many more advantage. 

 

the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.

who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.

I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.

I think you find Ian Lancaster Franchisees’ don’t go above V.A.T. threshold  , hence non of them pay V.A.T.

Check it out with Ian, is very interesting concept . That’s of course if you can run a franchisee like him. 

Aggreed ian lancaster is the don and when i have enough work and customers i will follow hes genius concept.

[steve rix]

The franchisees may not go above 68k and so they would stay under the VAT threshold but as soon as the Franchisors income exceeds 68k then he has to add VAT to his franchisees royaltys , so if he is charging them 20% it would indeed be 20% + VAT

VAT threshold is £77,000.00 pa

[Lee Pryor]

So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ?  Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?

When you employ people you have to give them a basic pay. Mine are all on the minimum wage which is nothing. They double that or more with their turnover, which is done as a daily bonus. So when they take holliday I only have to pay the minimum wage for that day.

VAT is a normal part of 99% of businesses, its not a problem when you get passed 100K. If your going to go vat registered then plan carfully so you get throught the tough bit quick 77-100k

dont be afraid of vat just grow your business

[Crystal-clear]

So you don't have them on like a wage in exchange for a certain amount of hours per week , you actually pay em a percentage ?  Considering you have all the expensis to cover and if that's how you are doing it 30%? To them , you haven't got to be accurate but am I kinda going the right way ? But now I'm just wondering workers normally like a garrenteed wage did you have em on an hourly rate before then switch em round?

When you employ people you have to give them a basic pay. Mine are all on the minimum wage which is nothing. They double that or more with their turnover, which is done as a daily bonus. So when they take holliday I only have to pay the minimum wage for that day.

i see so you give them min wage + at least double that if they hit a monthly target so for example they could be earning about £12-£14 per hour which is very good for them im intrested to know as i might be employing and need to know the secrets of keeping people happy,some people say dont pay them too much but you are one of the few people who openly speaks out it clearly works how ever you are paying them and it makes sence that they work hard its a big difference to earn double your wage,you must have some loyal workers m8t

[davids3511]

Dave it really is an amazing business and process.

I pay my staff a % of the days turnover (this will not be revealed so dont ask) give them a list of work they cant possibly get through and equipment that will not restrict them ie large tanks that dont run out, light poles and now hot water. Other than that things are priced well and our rota is arranged in a way that means the least possible amount of driving each day, I use google earth to do this. Also because they cant get through the list, if they get turned away by a customer or 2 they still hit the same numbers.

Vans leave yard at or before 8am not alowed to return before 4pm unless tank is empty and thats the only reason thats alowed. They get back at 4-30pm, refill vans from static, connect battery chargers and heaters if its cold. Hand worksheets into me at which time we take 5 minutes to section the next bit out round for each van for the next day. and home we go.

Day in day out they earn the same. Its amazing how the turnover went up when I started paying that way.

Now your going to say that encourages them to be sloppy and cut corners. Oh no, I have lots of rules and proceses in place to prevent that and they work a treat.

I think this is a bit complicated and will eat in to your profit .
The best way that I have heard and seen is Ian Lancaster Franchisee model, where they go and earn themselves a good money and at the same time you get a good % out of it also your business growing .
No V.A.T. to pay
No over head
No holiday pay
No wear and tear on the equipment, as its franchisees  responsibility.
And so many more advantage. 

 

the only problem I could see then is when Ian hits vat threshhold, he will then have to charge vat on the 20% I could be wrong of course.

who ever asked about the holiday pay, I can answer that for Lee, an employee is paid holiday based on the last (think it is 13 weeks average) my accountant does it so I dont know the figure correctly. Unless it is in the work contract that there holiday pay is included in their wages each week.

I would be interested how Lee does it though just to compare against my own way of doing things.

Yes but with Ian's model you are at 77k of pure profit when you get there, not 77k with wages, insurance, holiday/sick pay, vehicle tax, equipment, resin/ro, depreciation and so on to deduct.

[Caleb Morley]

Love the quote there: "Dont be afraid of VAT juts grow the business".

Almolst sums up success with work or anything else: Dont be afraid, just have a go. Too many people are too scared of failure and dont realise how close they are to success.

Cheers,

Caleb

[mgba_78]

VAT is a normal part of 99% of businesses, its not a problem when you get passed 100K. If your going to go vat registered then plan carfully so you get throught the tough bit quick 77-100k

dont be afraid of vat just grow your business

Well put! We have been there and culled some work to get back under, all the bad paying dogs!
Same old story we're back there again    Need to rush past the £100k mark then