Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Russ Chadd on October 15, 2011, 09:11:41 pm
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Here is a short video featuring the Jaguar 6.6 and the Zeta pressure washer.
Colin kindly offered to try out the two machines on some of his customers rugs, the video simply demonstrates the awesome power of the Jaguar coupled with the equally versatile Zeta.
Colin pre-sprayed the rugs using a SPM mixture in his in lline sprayer, he took advantage of the 90 DegC water supply from the Zeta to lay down the pre spray nice and hot.
Once he had extracted i personally inspected the rugs and with the back of my hand i tested for dampness, even though the rugs had about one dry pass i was astonished to feel how dry they were!
I tested the Jaguar with 50" of hose and then 100' i couldn't honestly tell the difference, it still preformed the same in terms of extraction results.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6_jlrEx40&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN6_jlrEx40&hd=1)
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you need to find some really dirty carpet to video, that video was well boring.......it didn't show 'the awesome power of the Jaguar' or the heat of the Zeta. those rugs didn't even look dirty
not wanting to blow my own trumpet but to see real heat and power watch my video here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3kaBDkHrzA&feature=player_embedded
( from the 30 second point ;) ;) )
or this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=iMxTvp7K6g0#t=85s
buy a big off cut from a carpet shop and drive your van across it a few times..... then chuck a nice Bisto & HP sauce cocktail across it then video that been cleaned
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How much is a replacement pump for a Zeta.
Can you adjust pressure.
Russ do you still sell them as this is getting close to a regular sales pitch
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Thanks for your kind words about my video post Mike!
This post is aimed at the people who may of already purchased a Jag or thinking about purchasing one with a view of running it from the van, if you require constant running hot water up to 1500psi then the Zeta will benefit you.
Our American friends seem to like using propane heaters, this is fine however you will still be required to used the portys pump as the propane heater is nothing more than... just a heater and its gonna set you back the best part of a grand.
Now... truck mounted systems like Mikes will offer extremely hot water at the wand with lots of steam and the ability to clean without chemicals :D, but if you prespray the carpets, agitate and then extract i would expect the Jag or most extractors to offer the same results on that carpet featured in Mikes video, relying on boiling hot water to clean a carpet sounds risky to me.
There is a market out there for powerful portable extractors which offer the user flexibility at a fraction of the cost of a TM.
Truckmounts will always out preform portables in terms of heat and vacuum and my video is not a TM vs prorty vid, it simply shows how the two machine work together.
For those of you interested watch this space as more short vids will be posted very soon...
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Hi Ian
The pump head takes 20 mins to remove and re fit new seals and valves, my machine has done probably 80 hours on the original pump and is not showing any signs of wear, pressure is still great
Last time i checked the pump service kits were about £60.00
Yes the pressure can be adjusted from 250 psi to 1500 psi with heat 30 DegC to 90DegC
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I think the Cornish company sell them Ian, I think Russ is blowing his own trumpet. I think if worded wisely (hey Russ ;)) then the videos would benefit the forum.
Russ the PW in the new video looks different to the one in your old video the one set in your VW Transporter is that right?
Shaun
PS what temp did you set it at for those greasy jobs Mike?
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Shaun
I removed the cover from mine, this helps keep the motor and pump cool when in the van and saved the plastic body getting marked.
Apologies if my post looks like a shameless plug but... I guess it is but only to benefit others who have a similar set up to myself.
The Zeta is one of many pressure washers which could be used to provide hot high pressure water to the wand, an alternative to a propane or electric inline heater.
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It was a pleasure to use the new set up. I'm sure that we could have used dirtier rugs or carpets to try the new set up on and succeeded in performing a TM like result... No problem....
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Russ my criticism of your video was meant to be constructive, I actually think this idea of using an independent pump & fuel burner has been one of the biggest step forward in carpet cleaning equipment for a long while, why no company has done it before is beyond me.
but this doesn't stop the video being not very good
I don't think you realise that i have used this system for the last 15yrs my T/M is just designed to suck ( its a big engine with a big P/D blower) it has no water pump.I use an electric pump and burner set up like the Zeta....... that's why I know its a very good idea.
and....in those 15yrs i have gone through only 2 pumps and the burner is still the original, so this is another reason to use this system the part tend to be more industrial than normally used on carpet cleaning machines.... so last longer
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As the main star in the video ( ;D) It was a bit of a last minute idea and those rugs just happened to be in the back of the van. I'm sure that I could have turned up with something filthier if I knew they would be filming...
I needed to get those rugs back to the customer too, so we didn't have the luxury of time unfortunately.
I will get the full set up videoed once it's in the back of the van and I'll be sure to use a minging restaurant carpet.
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I hear what you are saying Mike, unfortunately as i was assisting Colin with the operating i had very little footage as it was me behind the camera.
I will be shooting more videos i promise! they will cover the two machines working in a real world environment situation so people can see.
As for performance all i can say is this, i owned an Airflex Turbo which was and still is a great piece of British engineering, however things have moved on in terms of motor design and the new Jag & Storm use these new motors which have kind of abandoned the 3 stage idea and use a totally different turbine similar to a jet engine.
This now makes the machine very efficient offering 3 vac performance.
We used just two electrical circuits to run this system :
Vacs 1 and 2 on one extension A
Zeta on extension B
So you use a petrol engine to drive a blower and an electrical pressure washer for the hot water? I would of thought that if you already had an engine providing loads of free heat that would be more energy efficient than running a separate burner? you would still need to provide electricity to the pump motor and carry two separate fuel supplies for burner and blower engine?
The system we have been testing uses the electricity provided by the customer and about 1.5 lt of diesel to heat enough water to clean an average size 3 bed home.
Can you post pics of your setup Mike?
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I don't think you can clean dirty restaurant carpet effectively without the use of a good Pre-spray. Yes, you can take out the surface dirt and see what you want to see but it won't be properly clean because heat alone cannot remove the engrained soils in such carpets. We have tested this with the Titan 875 (one of the hottest and most powerful carpet cleaning systems in the world) and with it the whole idea of chemical free cleaning, but the results simply do not measure up. There are also some inherent dangers if using very high temperatures and they far out weigh any of the perceived risk of chemical residues.
Simon
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Hi guys
I think the video was good, it is simple and short.
The Zeta is an impressive piece of kit, is it heavy?
Cheers
doug
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Can it draw water from your portable or do you always connect to tap
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How much does 1.5ltrs of diesel last?
Shaun
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I don't think you can clean dirty restaurant carpet effectively without the use of a good Pre-spray. Yes, you can take out the surface dirt and see what you want to see but it won't be properly clean because heat alone cannot remove the engrained soils in such carpets. We have tested this with the Titan 875 (one of the hottest and most powerful carpet cleaning systems in the world) and with it the whole idea of chemical free cleaning, but the results simply do not measure up. There are also some inherent dangers if using very high temperatures and they far out weigh any of the perceived risk of chemical residues.
Simon
I agree, pre-spray and agitation are where the real magic is..... :)
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Hi Doug yes its a fair weight about 60 kg but its very stable in the back of the van.
Ian, it uses mains water and can work from an o nboard water tank
Shaun, 1.5 lt will heat enough water to do a 3 bed home, the machine has a 5lt tank...
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Russ,
What kind of temps does it deliver?
Simon
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Hi Simon, you have a thermostat which can deliver between 30 - 90 deg C, the water at the wand is hot enough to keep the extraction pipe warm on your wand!
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How long does 1.5lts last?
Shaun
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Shaun its a difficult question to answer it all depends on the temp you have set the thermostat to, the higher the temp the more fuel you will burn.
The specs on the machine state that it uses 3lt per hour but that is running flat out continues for 60 mins, the good thing with this machine is that there is no wasted energy, when you let go of the trigger the burner stops and no fuel is being used
I have uploaded a spec sheet with some figures which might help you
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Russ, the burner & engine run of red diesel from the same tank.
your're right about the free heat from an engine but I've had traditional T/ms and unless you have a big engine you never get the instantaneous heat you get from a burner I love the fact i can get upto working temp in seconds, when i had a blazer I would be nearly finished the job before i got hot water
the first machine I used it with was an electric T/M the Bane machine were you had to run a powercord into the house, I could plug the burner into this. now I don't find it a bind to take a powercord into the house I've just got used to it.
Simon your right about using prespray. the video of the red carpet was done really to show of the power of using a burner, I do this restaurant every 6 weeks it does not get the ingrained dirt you normally get in a carpet, you can pull the fibres apart and see the grease layered across the top of the fibres from where the waiters walk out of the kitchen all i really remove is this layer of grease.
Mike
ps; Russ be careful what you say about using boiling hot water to clean carpets
( quote: "relying on boiling hot water to clean a carpet sounds risky to me." )
your mate Colin has that exact same video on his website home page.... you know how sensitive he is.... he might think you are being critical of him :D :D :D
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Me, sensitive?
I've learned to take anything you say (or anyone else for that matter) with a pinch of salt, Mike... :D
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Mike
So your whole setup is diesel powered thats good, and its interesting to hear how slow some truck mounts take to reach maximum temp, those of us who are using diesel fired burners can get boiling hot water in less than 90 sec from a cold start.
I was only guessing you were using boiling hot water by the amount of steam at your wand, wasnt knocking your professional approach fella and im sure you were using this video like mine as a demo just to prove that hot water is effective.
So we share a common interest in this... that a good thing!
Thinking outside the box and challenging the "norm" is how we all progress.
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As for performance all i can say is this, i owned an Airflex Turbo which was and still is a great piece of British engineering, however things have moved on in terms of motor design and the new Jag & Storm use these new motors which have kind of abandoned the 3 stage idea and use a totally different turbine similar to a jet engine.
Not starting this again but .... :)
Your Airflex turbo had a CFM of 330 ( quoted from site )
The Jaguar has a CFM of 296
They both have lift at most of 130"
Nothing there gives the jag a performance advantage ....
Neither really have ' truckmount performance '
A Quadvac ( two in parallel coupled to two in series would approach small TM performance )
Some of the UK builders should really bring out an ETM like this ... and perhaps incorporate
a burner ... the 6.6 would be an ideal for this with its efficient design (lower amp draw ) i'd say we almost could run that on one circuit at 240v . In the states Mytee has just launched a small ETM ...a twin vac , but thats all they or any of the other US ETM builder can manage over there at 120 volts on two cords ... we really should make better use of our superior electricity .
Are you genuinely impressed with the jaguar as it is ... or are you jumping on the hype bandwagon
to flog zetas to Jag owners ... :)
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As for performance all i can say is this, i owned an Airflex Turbo which was and still is a great piece of British engineering, however things have moved on in terms of motor design and the new Jag & Storm use these new motors which have kind of abandoned the 3 stage idea and use a totally different turbine similar to a jet engine.
Not starting this again but .... :)
Your Airflex turbo had a CFM of 330 ( quoted from site )
The Jaguar has a CFM of 296
They both have lift at most of 130"
Nothing there gives the jag a performance advantage ....
Neither really have ' truckmount performance '
A Quadvac ( two in parallel coupled to two in series would approach small TM performance )
Some of the UK builders should really bring out an ETM like this ... and perhaps incorporate
a burner ... the 6.6 would be an ideal for this with its efficient design (lower amp draw ) i'd say we almost could run that on one circuit at 240v . In the states Mytee has just launched a small ETM ...a twin vac , but thats all they or any of the other US ETM builder can manage over there at 120 volts on two cords ... we really should make better use of our superior electricity .
Are you genuinely impressed with the jaguar as it is ... or are you jumping on the hype bandwagon
to flog zetas to Jag owners ... :)
John... it takes alot to impress me and i go on my own personal experiences.
If we are going to compare the figures on CFM and lift then could we agree that the figures are similar? yes.. good... right so if i were to say that the Jag has a performance advantage based on the fact that the end user only has two vacs to service, and of course less power to feed the machine... isnt this an advantage?
In other words i would happily trade 34 CFM for a machine which is more portable and more energy efficient.
And to answer your question about am i genuinely impressed then yes in fact i will invite anyone over to try this system out for themselves and then let them decide.
Where are you based John? i would be happy to show you my setup... once people have tried this out i am sure the machines will sell themselves... the proof is in the eating ;D
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Hi Guys
Russ can you please clarify that you sell the Zeta?
Cheers
Doug
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Doug
I understand the rules on here so i am not for one minute going to comment on whether i distribute this product, the videos simply show two machines working together and if people want to make enquires with a view to purchase they can do so but through the correct channels.
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Hi Russ
I'll take that as yes, then!
Cheers
Doug
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Is the Zeta the only adjustable hot water electric pressure washer
I have looked at Machine Mart but not clear if they are adjustable
Perhaps soon someone will introduce a portable with no pump as if this is such a good idea why would you need a big beast of 600psi pump
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Hi Ian
Most of the Small hot water pressure washers sold here in the UK are nothing more than cheap domestic machines.
Even Karcher have made small compact machines which were sold in places like B&Q, these machines are not designed to be used commercially and don't have features such as a variable pressure valve.
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Three or four years ago I looked at the Goliath QUAD vac machine which had been paired up with high heat pressure washer to make what seemed like at a pretty powerfull and capable carpet cleaning set up.
The Goliath is still around but I don't remember the name of the power washer although it was Italian and similar to the one on here.
Both machines being compact I thought they'd make an impressive lightweight van mounted set up.
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Yep I know the machine you are referring to very similar to the Zeta, I believe someone has a video of it on YouTube
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http://www.steam-brite.com/store/shazaam-goliath-quad-42vacs-cleaining-with-14000-heater-auto-fill-flood-pumper-starter-package-p-10290.html
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Here is the US version :
This machine will offer 1200 psi the Zeta comes in two models :
1750 psi @ 7.5 litres per min
1500 psi @ 8.5 litres per min
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqJpGKBH5VA&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqJpGKBH5VA&feature=player_embedded)
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http://www.steam-brite.com/store/shazaam-goliath-quad-42vacs-cleaining-with-14000-heater-auto-fill-flood-pumper-starter-package-p-10290.html
WANT ONE!!!
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yes goliath is still four two stages to keep amp draw lowish ...
We could run four three stage no bother ...
every time americans plug in one vac its like us pluging in two amp draw wise ..
So no excuse for us not to run quad vacs .... the 6.6 would work well as it performs the same as 1500watt three stage but draws same amps as a 1200watt
heres another parallel /series quad combo ..... four three stages
four cords to the poor americans .... that would be two chords for us ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIBnuq50h4
Still id perfer a dedicated van mounted quad ... i dont like heavy portables or messing with boosters .. :)
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Russ - i like this set up - where can i get prices from etc for the Zeta?
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Russ - i like this set up - where can i get prices from etc for the Zeta?
Email me and i will give you the guys details
cheers
Russ
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yes goliath is still four two stages to keep amp draw lowish ...
We could run four three stage no bother ...
every time americans plug in one vac its like us pluging in two amp draw wise ..
So no excuse for us not to run quad vacs .... the 6.6 would work well as it performs the same as 1500watt three stage but draws same amps as a 1200watt
heres another parallel /series quad combo ..... four three stages
four cords to the poor americans .... that would be two chords for us ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVIBnuq50h4
Still id perfer a dedicated van mounted quad ... i dont like heavy portables or messing with boosters .. :)
Does the 110v american motors draw the same amps as the 240 volt UK versions? if so couldnt we just pair two 110 v motors in series and feed them 240v?
Im imagining how good 4 of the 6.6 motors working together would be....
The mytee video looks like a load of buggering about piggy backing a booster!
I agree with you John, an all electric TM quad motor setup would be great... if only we could have that and a heated pressure washer all running off 2 separate extension leads...
For now the Jag ticks all the boxes for me as its real easy to remove from the van because of its low weight or can sit in the van with 100 - 150' of 2" hose
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i dont think series wiring will work that way ...
Why would you want to that? 240v motors available ...
It really wouldn't be hard to diy a quad 6.6 ....
get an engineering shop to fold some sheet aluminium for the body ....
all internal hoses /connections can be got in B&Q plumbing
bit of basic wiring inside ... and two chords
get a recovery tank made if u can find one
I'v done just this , with four e-bay three stages ... its hardly started yet though .. :)
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Right... im just trying to work away around having to supply the machine with two separate electrical supplies on two separate circuits, remember if the Zeta is going to run as well that 3 circuits which have to be found which just isnt practical.
Each pair of 6.6 motors is going to draw a maximum of 2.8 kw am i right?
My thinking was to use 110v versions thinking that 110v motors consume less wattage? ???
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Have you ever lifted one of those 110 to 240 volt transformers ????????????
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I will have to look it up again but i think the 6.6 will draw about 5 or 6 amps at 230 volts ... the same 110 version will draw double that at110 volts ...
240 volt version available here
http://www.steam-brite.com/store/ameteklamb-ametek-lamb-motor-volts-p-10442.htm
I think you'd be looking at three chords /two house circuits ...but didn't you have the same ( three chords) with the triple vac .
might work having three 6.6 on one chord /circuit and the forth and zeta on the other ...
would have to find the amp draw for the zeta ...
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Yes of course the US electricity supply is 110 v but the amps are more i think...
What is the wattage of the new 6.6 motors cant seem to open that link you sent me John?
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http://www.steam-brite.com/store/ameteklamb-ametek-lamb-motor-volts-p-10442.html
best of luck finding a wattage rating , i cant see it anywhere ...
I think about 5-6 amps is accurate ...
Mytee test amp draw in this video at 4min20
so you can half the rating for 240 volts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KKAzll_-NA
The zeta mentions 2.5kw which would draw 10 amps or thereabouts .
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SO what are we saying here
The jaguar is no more powerful than the scorpion although its lighter?
This zeta burner uses £2 per hour in diesel (white)?
Each unit takes up a lot of space.
Why not just buy a TM for £2k extra?
Mark
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SO what are we saying here
The jaguar is no more powerful than the scorpion although its lighter? "No, the Jag out-performs it"
This zeta burner uses £2 per hour in diesel (white)? "And other fuels"
Each unit takes up a lot of space. "It's tiny"
Why not just buy a TM for £2k extra? "Because, a 3rd of the jobs I do I need to take the Jag off the van for access... So if I did have a TM, I'd still need a Jag..."
Mark
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Morning guys I thin Colin has just simply found what we are all looking for which is the best possible combo for our own individual need.................Alan
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Alan, you're right. I've got NOTHING against TM's whatsoever, I just don't think one would be suitable for my requirements.
I have the heat and psi as high as I could ever possibly need and the carpets I clean are clean and dry enough to have customers coming back for more.
Last week this was seen as an over-kill, as a Puzzi was deemed just as suitable.... ;D
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I know the area colin operates from and would be tricky using a tm . Ever seen doc martin on tv . the roads only just fit push bikes down LOL ;D
Although when you do have tm you do tend to try and make it work for you . But there are some jobs you just cant do , in saying that works the other way round too.
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Sounds like your going to use it from the van and also take it off too the van to get near access.
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Sounds like your going to use it from the van and also take it off too the van to get near access.
colin is a strong lad one under each arm and the wand in his teeth ;D
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Thought that was just you richard ;D
Its all them cream teas ;D
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In an ideal world i would love a TM too but unless you have the right kind of work to pay for it then i see it as a huge expense which could take a long time to pay for itself.
Colin and I both use Jags and i think we can agree that for the money its performance and practicality is second to none.
Even if you have a TM this machine would be an ideal standby unit if you don't want to compromise with performance.
Since switching over to the Jag my van definitely feels lighter which may have a difference on fuel economy and tyre wear, the grey ribbed 2" hose solutions sell is very light compared to the standard blue stuff and is loads easier to use in the customers home!
I can easily coil it up and strap it without the wrestling and the bad language!!!
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Alot of TM's get heat of 110 degrees at the machine and may be at the wand 80 degrees ish and that's with a high flow rate, the Zeta specs are less than some TM's, it's a great add on but not a substitute.
Shaun
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Hi Shaun
Wast really referring to the Zeta... i was just saying that the Jag would make a good backup machine for a TM user.
When you compare the pump size of a TM and that of a Zeta then you are talking about twice the size and twice the pressure and flow rate then there is the size of the heat exchanger.. again huge a totally different type to the Zeta.
However tests prove that the Zeta will offer water hot enough to clean synthetic carpets and adjustable temperature to clean fabric and delicate wool carpets.
Also this little unit takes less than 90 seconds to heat up to its maximum temperature.
Its unfair to make a direct comparison... after all it was designed to wash cars
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A few questions about the Zeta ?
Will the pump on the Zeta not overheat if its run for several hours with a very low flow of water ( like when cleaning a lot of upholstery).
Will the warranty on the Zeta still be valid if the machine is used for carpet cleaning rather than jet washing?
Am I correct in thinking that although the Zeta runs on diesel it also needs to be plugged into the mains?
regards
Chris
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Russ - can you email me price details etc to contact@newlookclean.com - thanks mate
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A few questions about the Zeta ?
Will the pump on the Zeta not overheat if its run for several hours with a very low flow of water ( like when cleaning a lot of upholstery).
Will the warranty on the Zeta still be valid if the machine is used for carpet cleaning rather than jet washing?
Am I correct in thinking that although the Zeta runs on diesel it also needs to be plugged into the mains?
regards
Chris
The pump on the zeta will work fine at pressure of 400 psi +, anything below that will not fire the burner, i have tested with a Hydromaster drimaster 2 tool and this will work fine at 400 - 600 psi.
Also the wonderwand two jet works great, so does the usual 2 and 4 jet wands as well as the stair tools.
When the machine is not being used for more than 5 mins you should turn it off as the pump is recirculating fresh cold water, turning the machine off will save wear and tear on the unit and save energy.
I would not advise using some hand tools with the Zeta, the CFR upholstery tools have 01 nozzles which create lots of back pressure and low water flow which will not trigger the burner as there isnt enough water flow.
When it comes to upholstery i would advise using your portables pump as this will be more suitable to hand tools with very small nozzle sizes, most people i know will tend to extract with warm tap water only and you don't need lots of pressure around 120 psi is plenty.
The only time the warranty would become void is if the end user were to modify the machine somehow resulting in damage to the pump etc...
If the machine is being fed water from a tank then it MUST have a good quality water filter fitted to the supply hose, 9 /10 times pumps fail because of contaminated water and this will also invalidate the warranty.
And finally... the Zeta will run on Diesel, red diesel, heating oil, bio diesel and kerosine to fire the boiler, it requires an electrical feed to power the pump and spark generator.
The max wattage it draws is about 2.4 kw on startup (turning the machine on)
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Which Zeta machine are you using, do you have a link, have seen a few about on various websites and ebay.
cheers
Andrew
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Which Zeta machine are you using, do you have a link, have seen a few about on various websites and ebay.
cheers
Andrew
Promo flier attached with details direct from the manufacturer
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So ideally the set up is more suited to carpet cleaning than uphostery cleaning, I can understand that. My concern is this, if using it attached to a wand or say a Rotovac or RX20, everytime one closes the solution valve the burner will cut out and will cut in again when the trigger is pressed, is that right?. In cleaning an average carpet would the burner switch off and on everytime you make a drying stroke. Surely this could not be good for the burner.
Can I see myself buying one, perhaps yes, as I could use it for washing my own van and maybe do some light pressure washing as an add on service. Also it could be used for filling the tank of a portable with really hot water if there was no other hot water source available on site.
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The machine is not a total stop machine so the motor continues to by pass cold water
When the wand valve is closed, the burner is then stopped until the wand valve is open.
Benefits of this system :
1 the motor continues to drive the pump in by pass so no huge power draw is needed everytime you start and stop
The motor can draw 2.4kw everytime it is switched on and off at the socket so less likely to trip fuses etc...
2 diesel is only ignited when the wand valve is open thus saving fuel.
Regarding your drying strokes, just make longer extraction strokes across the area you are working so your not start\stop every time and then dry pass the entire row in one pass... Simple
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So ideally the set up is more suited to carpet cleaning than uphostery cleaning, I can understand that. My concern is this, if using it attached to a wand or say a Rotovac or RX20, everytime one closes the solution valve the burner will cut out and will cut in again when the trigger is pressed, is that right?. In cleaning an average carpet would the burner switch off and on everytime you make a drying stroke. Surely this could not be good for the burner.
Can I see myself buying one, perhaps yes, as I could use it for washing my own van and maybe do some light pressure washing as an add on service. Also it could be used for filling the tank of a portable with really hot water if there was no other hot water source available on site.
Never thought of that... Good thinking.... :)
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Yep! That's why the mobile car detailers love them... Always hot water available to fill up the George!
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Another quick video of the Jag and Zeta working together, please excuse the sound of the annoying dog whining in the background! i think my new 4 jet wand was a little noisy and this was upsetting the dog!
The carpet was thick with dogs hair and had every imaginable stain including urine, blood, tea and coffee... first time the carpet had been cleaned using HWE since it was fitted 5 years ago.
I used my new lint hog which worked like a charm, just dont bother with the supplied sock filters as these WILL restrict air flow!
The lint hog performed very well with just the metal filter, all the dog hairs etc were collected in the filter area and not in my extraction tank and took all of 2 mins to remove and clean!
For those of you who are following this thread the best technique i have found regarding extraction is long and slower strokes... this allows the Zeta to feed hotter water to the wand by keeping the burner running for longer.
Use the same action for the dry strokes.
Anyway here is is... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Rl6wAVruA&hd=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Rl6wAVruA&hd=1)
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If you used m/s prespray I would not expect to see so much soap in your extraction waste that was being dumped.
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The customer had been using vanish on it for years thats what you can see...
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Looks like you have set your stall out russ mate.
Think colin has the same set up now then?
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russ looks a good setup , i would say that the idea is great to have decent heat with a porty as the last few years that the big portys have been about the thing they have lacked is heat not wanting to start a debate hot vs cold but i feel heat is essential part of Hwe . i like the vid where are you dumping your waste not straight onto the road are you . if you get caught out you know you can get a hefty fine .
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Slightly OT, but what did you use to film it? It's very good quality!
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russ looks a good setup , i would say that the idea is great to have decent heat with a porty as the last few years that the big portys have been about the thing they have lacked is heat not wanting to start a debate hot vs cold but i feel heat is essential part of Hwe . i like the vid where are you dumping your waste not straight onto the road are you . if you get caught out you know you can get a hefty fine .
Hi Richard
Thanks for your kind words, the whole reason i have been using my zeta with my porty is for exactly that reason... HWE needs HOT water not luke warm or cold.
Sometimes you can get away with using cold water... i know because i have done in the past but as we will all agree here is that hot water can give better results depending on the carpet and the chemicals used.
Dont worry...99% of the extracted water from the carpet gets pumped into a 25lt cans, the small amount of pump out water you see in the gutter is just to show the pump out feature working.
Ash, i used a Panasonic HD700 camcorder, needs a good light on it for indoor use which sadly i dont have yet.
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Good quality video i thought, however, you seemed to have too much vac and solution hose. All looked a bit messy with the cable as well. Also no hose ramp !!
I have some of them vac hoses, wish i never got them now, very flexible, however mine implode and kink very easily when using my TM, they was ok with the Scorpion, but shows the difference in vac power to a porty.
Not a criticism of your set up, which looked very nice.
Andrew
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Good quality video i thought, however, you seemed to have too much vac and solution hose. All looked a bit messy with the cable as well. Also no hose ramp !!
I have some of them vac hoses, wish i never got them now, very flexible, however mine implode and kink very easily when using my TM, they was ok with the Scorpion, but shows the difference in vac power to a porty.
Not a criticism of your set up, which looked very nice.
Andrew
Hi Andrew
You are right it does look a bloody mess and i could of been a bit more tidier but hey, probably wasn't the best location to film but i owed a favour to a mate and well... there you go! ::)
My hoses do flex when under extreme vacuum but im sure these hoses will be ok for the Jag, i have to say that compared to the more ridged blue hose it is definitely easier to move into the property with less risk of damaging the edges of skirting boards etc.
What TM do you use then?
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Hi Russ
Could you clarify how many cords you are using in the video, I know 1 will run from the zeta, but I thought the jag had 2 cords. Or can you run 2 vacs and the pump out on 1 cord.
Regards
Eddie
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Hi Eddie
I have two extension leads, one 25m and one 50m the 25m plugs into the nearest socket usually in the hall, the longer one goes into the kitchen.
So both the cables from the jag plug into the 25m
And the Zeta plugs into the 50m
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Thanks for your reply Russ
Do you have any problems tripping Circuit boards with that arrangement with the initial surge from the vacs.
Sorry, is the auto pump out on the 25m cord as well as the vacs.
Regards
Eddie
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Hi Russ, when your hose is in a loop/circle and you pull on it , it folds and flattens.
Also where hose connects to wand keeps flattening out, i should ring Nick at solutions and tell him really as i got it there. I have to keep cutting 6" off the end, thats when i realised there was no metal in it, disappointed with it really. Was cheap and thought i would be a saving.
I have a Maxx 470 dual operator, which is much bigger and better than "small blower" Billy's 8)
Andrew
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Thanks for your reply Russ
Do you have any problems tripping Circuit boards with that arrangement with the initial surge from the vacs.
Sorry, is the auto pump out on the 25m cord as well as the vacs.
Regards
Eddie
I did have problems sometimes with my old triple vac but so far all has been well with the jag, the trick is to wait 5 seconds between starting vac 2... never try starting both vacs together.
The auto pump out uses one of the chords but draws so little wattage...
Andrew
The hose (so far) seems to be serving me well, i would never go back to that uglt blue stuff unless i get a TM and a hose reel.
My hose feels like its re inforced because its ribbed and i would assume its metal ribbing?
I made sure my cuffs were sealed on with clear silicone for extra strength.
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Good quality video i thought, however, you seemed to have too much vac and solution hose. All looked a bit messy with the cable as well. Also no hose ramp !!
I have some of them vac hoses, wish i never got them now, very flexible, however mine implode and kink very easily when using my TM, they was ok with the Scorpion, but shows the difference in vac power to a porty.
Not a criticism of your set up, which looked very nice.
Andrew
You Cumbrians, bloomin perfectionists... ;)
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Good quality video i thought, however, you seemed to have too much vac and solution hose. All looked a bit messy with the cable as well. Also no hose ramp !!
I have some of them vac hoses, wish i never got them now, very flexible, however mine implode and kink very easily when using my TM, they was ok with the Scorpion, but shows the difference in vac power to a porty.
Not a criticism of your set up, which looked very nice.
Andrew
You Cumbrians, bloomin perfectionists... ;)
when you up this way Colin ?
Andrew
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Your forearm suck test :)
Which in fairness is one more test than C/A ever shared with the public is gauging lift ...
The reason it feels as good at 100' of 2" hose is because you still have at least 80% system performance at that distance with any machine ....
Overall system performance decreases at aprox10% per 50'/ 2"
So the jaguar has 131.5" lift to start with ... you still have 105 " or so at 100 ' :)
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Believe me my fore arm wasn't the first part of my body i chose to demonstrate the machines ability to suck... but hey this a clean forum!!
;D
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Good quality video i thought, however, you seemed to have too much vac and solution hose. All looked a bit messy with the cable as well. Also no hose ramp !!
I have some of them vac hoses, wish i never got them now, very flexible, however mine implode and kink very easily when using my TM, they was ok with the Scorpion, but shows the difference in vac power to a porty.
Not a criticism of your set up, which looked very nice.
Andrew
You Cumbrians, bloomin perfectionists... ;)
when you up this way Colin ?
Andrew
Setting of tomorrow evening, I'll be popping into John Norris's for a pair of chest waders for the salmon fishing. On Monday morning...
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I live just 100 yds from john norris's, call in for a cuppa if you like.
off to ibiza mon am
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I live just 100 yds from john norris's, call in for a cuppa if you like.
off to ibiza mon am
Larging it up in Manumission big man? ;D ;D ;D
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I'll be getting into Penrith for about 9am. Off to watch Al Murray in Carlisle at The Sands on Sunday night... So should have a sober head on my shoulders... ;D
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I live just 100 yds from john norris's, call in for a cuppa if you like.
off to ibiza mon am
Larging it up in Manumission big man? ;D ;D ;D
If thats a club am too bloody old, nice quiet relaxing holiday,
give me a bell from norris's if you fancy a chat n a cuppa 07850 805251
01768 867765
Andrew
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Ibiza nice and quiet with all of those kids screaming and shouting for sweets and ice creams? could put you off going ;D
Shaun
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Cheers Andrew...
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Its a family hotel just outside san antonio,
the missus booked it, all inclusive,
bloody exclusive i would say at price it was, realised its half term .
Andrew
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Spent a week in San Antonio in 1997... Can't really remember much more than that... But Manumission was a time I'll never forget. Had a scrap with a French bloke.... ;D
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Went to Cala d'en bou just a boat ride or a 15 min walk from San Antonio in late May lovely place lucky I had my sun glasses on with all of those women walking around with next to nothing on.
Shaun
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I think its cala gracio we are at, also a boat ride to san antonio.
Its first holls in 2 1/2 yrs, hardly had a day off this year,
looking forward to spending quality time with my son
Andrew
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I noticed with the person wanding on this video was rather, well rushed, too quick for my liking, not thorough enough, but I suppose that's a matter of preference & choice and of course cleaning 'standards' (or lack of them in this case) :D
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I noticed with the person wanding on this video was rather, well rushed, too quick for my liking, not thorough enough, but I suppose that's a matter of preference & choice and of course cleaning 'standards' (or lack of them in this case) :D
Well if it isn't Mr Transparency himself.... ;D
How slow would you suggest I wand, at 600psi? I'm sure if I'd gone any slower, I could have cleaned the car park beneath the rugs.... :D
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Don't take any notice Colin, there is always one and on this thread Mr Taylor is that person!
If it wasn't the strokes it would of been my choice of footwear or some other totally irrelevant matter other than just simply taking the video for what it was intended for... To show the equipment in action...
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Russ
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Love the set up but IMO the wanding was bad - too fast and didn't follow the 50/50 overlapping rule!!
Although I appreciate you were just "showing the set up", Colin does state that it was customer's rugs he was cleaning therefore in my view those rugs should have been cleaned with more diligence.
Phil.
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Maybe he re cleaned them after he made the video using a little more diligence in his solution tank ;D ;D
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Maybe he re cleaned them after he made the video using a little more diligence in his solution tank ;D ;D
He couldn't have done, he had cornetos, mini milks, zooms & choc ices in there ;D ;D
(only kiddin Colin, take a joke, keep your hair on ;D)
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Is Diligence a Prochem or Chemspec product and what's its PH?
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Is Diligence a Prochem or Chemspec product and what's its PH?
;D Oh please!!
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How slow would you suggest I wand, at 600psi? I'm sure if I'd gone any slower, I could have cleaned the car park beneath the rugs.... :D
Why would anyone want to inject water into a fibre/fabric at 600psi? Do you work at 600psi on a normal household fitted carpet?