Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: geefree on December 07, 2010, 10:09:44 pm
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Hi,
Well , after the interest in Steves original topic, .. we have fitted two tanks today, one an IBC and the other a 400 litre tank...with the 3kw electric boiler heater /element,
Tested and we have hot water in the tank at this moment, (will be turned off now until 5am)..
So if any of you guys would like this installing, and are not 100% happy doing it yourself,
get in touch and we will fit this up for you,...
includes,
Element
flanges/locking nuts
Asbestos washers
sealant
1.5... 3 core insulated cable
Extention lead ( 4 gang, 8 metres, thermo cut out , rated 3120)
Any tank.
Please let me know if you are interested here first.
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how much do you charge :-\
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Sorry to change the subject! Just finished mine! What temperature shall I set it to in the morning?
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i would do 55
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How much?
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i would do 55
£55?
So you would fit all that and pay for all the gear, .... including thermo extention reel and 3 core insulated cable ?... not to mention flanges ... oh and drill bits, ....and the main thing ...the element .?
I think he meant 55 as in temperature
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i would do 55
£55?
So you would fit all that and pay for all the gear, .... including thermo extention reel and 3 core insulated cable ?... not to mention flanges ... oh and drill bits, ....and the main thing ...the element .?
So how much would you charge then?
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£95 :)
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i would do 55
£55?
So you would fit all that and pay for all the gear, .... including thermo extention reel and 3 core insulated cable ?... not to mention flanges ... oh and drill bits, ....and the main thing ...the element .?
I think he meant 55 as in temperature
Do'h
I Thought £55 too
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£95 :)
Does that include travel?
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Not to bloody Aberdeen :D
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Not to bloody Aberdeen :D
;)
Thought not
:)
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Gazza, are you not profiteering from a very helpful post put on here by the original guy yesterday, in great detail with the sole purpose of helping us all.
I don't see that as wrong mate, honestly I don't but can't help feeling he may be a bit pi ssed off at this post.
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With the greatest of respect it is called capitalism.. What made England great.
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Gazza, are you not profiteering from a very helpful post put on here by the original guy yesterday, in great detail with the sole purpose of helping us all.
I don't see that as wrong mate, honestly I don't but can't help feeling he may be a bit pi ssed off at this post.
I wouldn't do it anyway, not the helpful post I mean but I would not fit it for someone else and charge as you would be liable if anything went wrong, I might show how to do it as steve did but I certainly would not do the work and charge money. Even though though it all looks really simple and effective and he would be doing a favour to the people not happy with their own diy skills for a small charge. It is a recipe for disaster seeing it involves electricity and water
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With the greatest of respect it is called capitalism.. What made England great.
I thought it was tea. Oh, and Britain.
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I dont think Steve will be upset,
not really going to make a living from it, .. i simply noticed that a few people were a little concerned about doing it themselves, ... so , with that in mind,
Decided to offer to fit them, with a very , very small profit margin...
Who would do it for free ,
If you knew me, you would know that i will help anybody out in any way totally , without asking for payment...
But i cant fit them all for nothing.... if i could ...i would.
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Having a tank full of hot water is fine to get you out of a spot like were having at the moment but it's a very inflexible means of running something that could be so
much better.
The only thing worse than this would
Be aquarium heaters as they only go up to about 30 degrees.
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I dont think Steve will be upset,
not really going to make a living from it, .. i simply noticed that a few people were a little concerned about doing it themselves, ... so , with that in mind,
Decided to offer to fit them, with a very , very small profit margin...
Who would do it for free ,
If you knew me, you would know that i will help anybody out in any way totally , without asking for payment...
But i cant fit them all for nothing.... if i could ...i would.
well put me down 4 a freebie lol ;D ;D
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Its not a recipe for disaster... i fit them as they are supposed to be fitted, with all the safety precautions in place,
from the element , there is the correct cable, , it plugs in to the correct thermo extention,with trip switch.
If someone is then going to plug it into the mains, ... then the plug socket that they plug in to , should be up to scratch,..... meaning its protected with a trip on the mains or the socket, which is the norm anyway,
a 2kw radiator plugs in to a normal socket, so this should be fine...
the point of power , after fitting is the purchasers responsibility,
all the protection , before it reaches the power scource will be in place.
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I dont think Steve will be upset,
not really going to make a living from it, .. i simply noticed that a few people were a little concerned about doing it themselves, ... so , with that in mind,
Decided to offer to fit them, with a very , very small profit margin...
Who would do it for free ,
If you knew me, you would know that i will help anybody out in any way totally , without asking for payment...
But i cant fit them all for nothing.... if i could ...i would.
gazza I can tell you are genuine and I am glad you are offering to help others for a very small cost, but trust me if you aren't qualified to do it and something goes wrong they will blame you even though you tell them to switch it off etc, I have no problems with the guys trying different things and bending a few rules but the minute you do it for someone else you are asking for trouble. but well done on the trying to help others anyway we need a bit more of that ;)
(edit)just read your reply and if you are happy to do it fair enough good luck
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Having a tank full of hot water is fine to get you out of a spot like were having at the moment but it's a very inflexible means of running something that could be so
much better.
The only thing worse than this would
Be aquarium heaters as they only go up to about 30 degrees.
which are rubbish, how can you compare 300 watts with 3000?
the only other thing i can think of which is worse than this ....is not working...
by the way , just had a text from my mate who said he tested it tonight and had to turn it off as its very hot water after 3 hours.... so will re-heat at 6am
as has been said all along ...its a cheap temporary .... but very very effective way of working in this wage crunching weather.
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I dont think Steve will be upset,
not really going to make a living from it, .. i simply noticed that a few people were a little concerned about doing it themselves, ... so , with that in mind,
Decided to offer to fit them, with a very , very small profit margin...
Who would do it for free ,
If you knew me, you would know that i will help anybody out in any way totally , without asking for payment...
But i cant fit them all for nothing.... if i could ...i would.
gazza I can tell you are genuine and I am glad you are offering to help others for a very small cost, but trust me if you aren't qualified to do it and something goes wrong they will blame you even though you tell them to switch it off etc, I have no problems with the guys trying different things and bending a few rules but the minute you do it for someone else you are asking for trouble. but well done on the trying to help others anyway we need a bit more of that ;)
(edit)just read your reply and if you are happy to do it fair enough good luck
I totally understand where you are coming from Stu, and thank you,
Would be nice if we could all work through this early freeze, and i have seen how many of us are sat at home,
Its not profiteering, and thanks for making my point, and yours... which i totally understand,
but hey, guys if you want it fitted.. and you know your house electric mains are ok...( god its only an element)
Then i wil fit it.... with comebacks or anything.
Just willing to help and only cover the time it takes to do that, but no one needs to take up the offer, its only a thought..
but it works treat , looking forward to my hot water in the mornings all through the winter.
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can u get too chester????????
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Glad it worked Gazza
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Gazza,
A couple of questions,
1, I will be very interested to hear how your days work goes today so will you post later?
2. Next time you fit one (assuming you do fit anymore) Please could you get a friend to video it and post it? It would be extremely helpful.
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Probably being picky here, but are you qualified as a sparky?
If there were a fault where would you stand with regards insurance. I'd imagine if you fit them for financial gain and you're either not a sparky nor insured then you're probably breaking the law.
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can u get too chester????????
ive just done mine richy if you want a hand give me a call
bob
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what sealant are you using?
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Probably being picky here, but are you qualified as a sparky?
If there were a fault where would you stand with regards insurance. I'd imagine if you fit them for financial gain and you're either not a sparky nor insured then you're probably breaking the law.
doesnt come under part p rules
not advertising as a electrican
not wired into the circuits
any problems would be between him and customer
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Like I said, perhaps Im being picky.
Its generally thought that most on here like to think of themselves as being professional, which includes Public Liability insurance. Im sure Gazza has that for his window cleaning. I doubt he is insured to carry out any form of works which involves electrical activities better left to those qualified to do so.
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You not at work yet Matt or have you got one of fancy iphone thingys?
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is this any good..
BRAND NEW 16 amp 3 pin 230 / 240 volt in-line PLUG to trailing Blue and white SOCKET EXTENSION LEAD, for mains power Hook-up.
12 Metres / 40 Foot of Top Quality Artic Grade 1.5mm2 3 core Flex.
ITS ON EBAY ITEM NUMBER 250305781467
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You not at work yet Matt or have you got one of fancy iphone thingys?
Im going now, Im a softy. Franky Bad Boy text me just an hour ago saying he was doing his shops ;D
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Luther1,
Can you re-wire my mum`s house before Christmas? ;D
Matt B,
Where do you stand, legally, with your new credit arrangement scheme? ;D
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Turned in on at 5.30am.... ... off at 9am...got 500 litres of hot water,
a little late now , but off to work now,
tonight i will lag my tank.
;D
Oh , i had to defrost my garden hose last night , which goes to the van for the ro-unit....
so i have just unravelled it from the reel,...and put it in the van at the back of the tank.... next to the warm tank
so that should be ok for tonight now,hopefully.
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Hi, where are you located Gazza & how far do you travel?
regards, Liam
Turned in on at 5.30am.... ... off at 9am...got 500 litres of hot water,
a little late now , but off to work now,
tonight i will lag my tank.
;D
Oh , i had to defrost my garden hose last night , which goes to the van for the ro-unit....
so i have just unravelled it from the reel,...and put it in the van at the back of the tank.... next to the warm tank
so that should be ok for tonight now,hopefully.
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Hi, where are you located Gazza & how far do you travel?
regards, Liam
gazzas in wakefield mate .
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As long as Gazza has proffesional indemnity for the advice and public liability for what he is doing for payment I can't see an issue.
I would recommend anyone who has it done checks these things and gets a receipt.
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where do you live? North, south?
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Thought all these issues would come up...never mind,
Well got a full day of work done,
warm water until this aft,
lagged my tank
off we go again. ;)
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gazza, what time did you start? no freezing on? i've just fit one in my 640ibc, hardest thing is getting the flange tight on the inside, i used one of them oil filter wrenches, mines a chain one. if anyone hasn't got a tool station near them, Plumb City sell the flange for £3.50
just waiting for it to fill up now, cos my water butt is a green ice cube! got th RO going straight to the van, i reckon another 150ltrs till it covers the element, managed to get it fitted around the 250-300ltrs mark. then i'll see if it's leaking. put some silicone round the 'big nut' flange on the actual element, and you can buy a special spanner/key for about £6 that fits over perfect. 2man job to fit it and tighten up.
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thanks ste freeman! had a cracking day today. hot water bring it on ;D. me and gazza are sorted with hot hot hot. was a cold day but hey who cares was out earning money thats what its all about ant it?????????? for those sat at home or with iced up tanks n poles :P. job can be hard at this time of year so dont make it harder. get one of them in your tank and get out to work lads 8)
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Hi Gazza
£95 for a hot wash that stops your water from freezing sounds happy where abouts are you mate?
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gazza, what time did you start? no freezing on? i've just fit one in my 640ibc, hardest thing is getting the flange tight on the inside, i used one of them oil filter wrenches, mines a chain one. if anyone hasn't got a tool station near them, Plumb City sell the flange for £3.50
just waiting for it to fill up now, cos my water butt is a green ice cube! got th RO going straight to the van, i reckon another 150ltrs till it covers the element, managed to get it fitted around the 250-300ltrs mark. then i'll see if it's leaking. put some silicone round the 'big nut' flange on the actual element, and you can buy a special spanner/key for about £6 that fits over perfect. 2man job to fit it and tighten up.
Hi Ez.
went out around just after 9.30,...no , no freezing on glass all day,
first couple of hours is the best,...hose reel is soft,.. pole hose does not tangle,
But you need to get it heated up (the water)..... as at times it felt lovely and warm at the tank,..and came out cool......
Butits still well above freezing, i am going to leave it on longer from very early morning, unti 9am,
for even hotter water,... just lagged my tank too, that should keep a little heat in.
You have your element where mine is,... try to gauge your water so you get around 350 litres, ...then turn water off, ..
as this should be enough for the day,....it will heat quicker, and whats the point in wasting electricity, heating water you may not use.
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Hi Gazza
£95 for a hot wash that stops your water from freezing sounds happy where abouts are you mate?
Hi Bud, am in wakefield.
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As long as Gazza has proffesional indemnity for the advice and public liability for what he is doing for payment I can't see an issue.
I would recommend anyone who has it done checks these things and gets a receipt.
I can't see an issue even if he doesn't. There can't be many here who do not know he's not a qualified electrician offering a proffesional expert service. He's a window cleaner operating at DIY level and offering to help out some others at bareley cost price to help keep them working if they are not capable of doing it themselves.
Sometimes your head (colloquially) can be so stuck up the rule book it comes out the other end and misses all the facts.
He's just a window cleaner offering to help other window cleaners out, get a grip.
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where do you live? North, south?
west yorks
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As long as Gazza has proffesional indemnity for the advice and public liability for what he is doing for payment I can't see an issue.
I would recommend anyone who has it done checks these things and gets a receipt.
I can't see an issue even if he doesn't. There can't be many here who do not know he's not a qualified electrician offering a proffesional expert service. He's a window cleaner operating at DIY level and offering to help out some others at bareley cost price to help keep them working if they are not capable of doing it themselves.
Sometimes your head (colloquially) can be so stuck up the rule book it comes out the other end and misses all the facts.
He's just a window cleaner offering to help other window cleaners out, get a grip.
Well said Mike,
I reckon thats the best piece of advice given throughout the whole topic.
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Sorry Gazza. Your thread is good and I suppose helpfull to those with no diy skills. You are from Wakefield I see. Do you know Kempy the wfp wizzard of Wakefield?
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Hi Ronnie,
No, i cant say i have heard of him,... He may read this though , and comment ;)
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Gazza...having followed steves link which was very informative and useful,i find it quite amazing you are now offering a fit service for this heating element................reason you posted/asked more questions than anybody on there and i think mate you havent a clue what your doing ,the best thing you can do mate is forget fitting for people because you could be asking for a lot of trouble and get back out there and clean some windows kidda!!!! im not slagging you mate but you could get yourself in more HOT water than you want to be in,if you know what i mean!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-\ :-\
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Hi Gazza
£95 for a hot wash that stops your water from freezing sounds happy where abouts are you mate?
Hi Bud, am in wakefield.
Ok Thats a cool 400 mile trip for me lol
let me think about it! and by the way i think its really nice of you offering to help people out £95 is basically a favour you would be charging alot more if you wanted to profit and people would pay it too we all know what one week loss of work can cost the average window cleaner
So nice one mate!
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So i dont know what i am doing... yet in your post (which has just been deleted, )you say its easy... hole drilled fit flange blah blah....
and anyone can do it,,,
if i dont know what i am doing how come i have now got a lagged tank with an element in, and i have had hot water this morning and warm water this afternoon,
No desrespect to steve,... meant at all,
yes i did ask more questions than anyone else on steves topic,
Thats how you learn mate,
Some guys will never fit anything of their own ever, ... so the offer of help was there ......Amd as much as i like doing favours for people,... and i do lots and lots,
people on this forum are widespread , so i cant possibly drive up and down the country fitting one here and there for nothing, so in effect its still a favour because very little profit involved,
But i aint about to start an argument on here with the guys who slag every little thing off , either out of boredom, jealousy or for any other reasons which grips them.
So the offer of help from me is withdrawn,... and if you would like one fitting , my mate dean , who is also a cleaner, will be happy to help, although his prices may be different i dont know.
he is dr clean... on this forum so anyone wanting will have to start a new thread with his name on.
Cheers to everyone who was interested , but get one fitted lads... its a cheap way of combatting this awful weather
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well said gazza , hope it went ok to day , how long did it take to heat and how long did the heat last ?
did you only put 350ltrs in tank this time ?
tell me how it went , im going to fit mine saturday . cant wait im sick of freezing water.
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Gazza what makes you think comments were made out of boredom or jealousy.
Mine were made out of a sense of responsibility.
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For anyone who has already made the step of installing this.......
I have spoken to a qualified electrician regarding him fitting this into my static tank. He is happy to do the job but raised the issue of where to fit the immersion element. I suggested through the side of the tank approx 6 inches from the bottom (it's a 400 litre upright). He suggested that the heat from the element could possible melt the plastic wall of the tank unless it's far enough away from the wall.
Has anyone experienced this problem or can suggest the correct immersion element to use.
Thanks
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i cant see that happening the volume of water would absorb the heat .
if you put it on with no water in then yes.
anyway from what ive herd you dont need the immersion on full blast ,
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The main concern is that the element might be in direct contact with the plastic.....
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The main concern is that the element might be in direct contact with the plastic.....
well i will use a 11" immersion with machanical flange , i will fit it 6" from the base of the tank through the side this way it will heat all the water not just the top half.
i will use ptf tape on the thread to help with the seal.
i cant see how it will melt the side of the tank as the amount of water in at the time .
i was going to do this last winter but bottled it coz a lecky said you cant just plug this in a normal socket , he said i needed a seprate line from the fuse box to it £££££.
steve has done it and it seems to have worked so im going for it .
then if i do get some money i will get a thermo heater from streamline , who knows maybe this will be all i need .
warm water has got to be easyer to clean the realy bad windows not so much scrubbing with the corner of the brush.
if it does work i will use it all year round.
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Gazza dont let them get to you mate i dont give a damm about all the negative comments ive had ........ ive made £800 since monday using my immersion element since MONDAY it dosent burn the tank its not on long enough,it hasnt blown up,,,i havenet called the fire brigade ..the 3kw heater ive bought for the back of the van is probally more likey to cause concern......and it has a thermostat which can be turned up or down........ so let them spout all the negative crap mate if they like to come on here and spout of about health and safety issues the very same bunch of people who have probably also voted on crap about ladders,,,,,conkers in schools ,can salt paths etc etc ....... let them do just dont respond....... if they have such a problem why do they comment??????? if i didnt like something in a shop i wouldn't go in and purposely abuse the shopkeeper about how much i hate it or think its a bad idea but mate some people love confrontation and also like to make commentS thats are not even constructive. If i dont think something on this forum is a good idea and there are millions i dont make some crap comment and try to knock down the very people im supposed to be a comrade with ......so gazza chin up mate over your head do what i do leave them all to it :)
ALL THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SAID " ITS RECKLESS AND DANGEROUS ETC ETC ETC WHY ? YOUVE STILL PUT YOURS IN ..SO I HAVE SO PLEASE AT LEAST ONE OF YOU WHO HAVE LEFT NEGATIVE COMMENTS WHY ? WHAT DO YOU GET FROM SAYING IT? WERE ALL SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE SAME PROFESSION? BOAT? I UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE AN OPINION BUT IF YOU THINK WHAT SOMEONE ON HERE DOES IS NOT WHAT YOU WOULD WHY LEAVE A NEGATIVE ,DEROGATORY COMMENT PLEASE TELL ME ?
Steve Freeman
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Try using this!
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Heating/Central+Heating/Mechanical+Flange+2+14/d230/sd2708/p38614
Male part on the inside of the tank and the female on the outside. Then the element screws directly in ( with some PTF).
Had mine set to 65 degrees this morning, slightly warmer around the fitting than the rest of the tank.
No sign of warping or melting the plastic!
GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE!!!!
I've earned more today than I have in the last week and half.
GOD BLESS IMMERSION HEATERS!
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Steve
I am genuinely interested in what you have done and have sent you an email. Please don't take my previous comment as negative.
Best regards
Steve
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Try using this!
http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Heating/Central+Heating/Mechanical+Flange+2+14/d230/sd2708/p38614
Male part on the inside of the tank and the female on the outside. Then the element screws directly in ( with some PTF).
Had mine set to 65 degrees this morning, slightly warmer around the fitting than the rest of the tank.
No sign of warping or melting the plastic!
GO AHEAD AND GET IT DONE!!!!
I've earned more today than I have in the last week and half.
GOD BLESS IMMERSION HEATERS!
is it better , does it shift the dirt quicker??
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well done gazza for all the help you giving everyone regards alan
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Steve i dont my friend ill help anyone ..... i just dont understand why people say " oh it wont work,its a rubbish idea,its reckless, health and safety will take you to court.......these chaps and lasses are pulling teeth out because they haven't worked for nearly two weeks with young families they need food ,pay bills then some smart spark says " i dont need to work because my wife etc has good jobs ...they dont need to hear that crap when they are struggling and need to get to work snow,ice or not we cant stop ............ i would just like to know what these people get out of mocking and ridiculing peoples ideas on how to keep working ??
If they see a post and think " oh not a good idea" to them... why would you leave a comment saying how bad or awful it is .......... its not even about having an opinion ....... because if it was it would be a case of " its not for me but good luck" no not on here its knock one down knock them all down ....... berate,ridicule and even a form of bullying ?
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Steve i dont my friend ill help anyone ..... i just dont understand why people say " oh it wont work,its a rubbish idea,its reckless, health and safety will take you to court.......these chaps and lasses are pulling teeth out because they haven't worked for nearly two weeks with young families they need food ,pay bills then some smart spark says " i dont need to work because my wife etc has good jobs ...they dont need to hear that crap when they are struggling and need to get to work snow,ice or not we cant stop ............ i would just like to know what these people get out of mocking and ridiculing peoples ideas on how to keep working ??
steve does it clean better , you know them little spot things on the glass im sick of scrubbing them for ages
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Can you recommend a good element to use?
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Steve i dont my friend ill help anyone ..... i just dont understand why people say " oh it wont work,its a rubbish idea,its reckless, health and safety will take you to court.......these chaps and lasses are pulling teeth out because they haven't worked for nearly two weeks with young families they need food ,pay bills then some smart spark says " i dont need to work because my wife etc has good jobs ...they dont need to hear that crap when they are struggling and need to get to work snow,ice or not we cant stop ............ i would just like to know what these people get out of mocking and ridiculing peoples ideas on how to keep working ??
I think its a great idea, I think people are genuinely concerned for gazza because he is fitting it for some one else for a very generous small charge(well done Gazza) but they are just warning if anything was to go wrong he could held liable, thats all, but as long as gazza wants to take that risk fair enough and good luck
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it cleans better dont get me wrong its not about having piping hot boiling water that would crack glass...its about keeping your van,tank,pipes,pump,brushes free flowing without having weeks off for freezing weather ...ok if paths are bad snow etc then you cant but where you can you HAVE to ...... my wifes carpark for a big banking company dont even grit, if she falls they will say " oh well blame the weather.....all the crap about " customers slipping ..well if you have customers who tell you not to do the very job they have asked you to do sorry let them go.....since monday i have done 60 houses and 175 flats in one block and not one........one person said anything about the paths or walkways........i actually said to them all " hope its ok but im going to put some grit where ther water has gone " you know the response..." its ok you dont have to " i said no i dont want no slips ....they were over the moon....its called servicing my customers ...ive had the same ones for 8 years and ive not lost one though doing a bad job.....so all in all its not a baking hot tank of water but it keeps you working .... id be more concerned about a 20 million pound hot water system that i have to have a gas bottle rattling about behind me when i drive ..which is sat right by my pump battery which lets of a spark every time my pumps goes on and off.....right next to a gas bottle :)
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Stu fairplay to Gazza i put this up beginning of the week what i did in my van to give people an idea that they could on their own responsibility do the same..... and the negative comments came flooding in ...why i didnt ask someone to tell me it was a dangerous idea, i even had some one say it was "illegal" ???
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Steve, this idea of your's, or even if it was someone else's idea I don't care. I will tell you now is brilliant and within month's I just know that tank manufacturers or wfp suppliers will defo be selling tanks of all sizes with the option of the heated element. That is how good this idea is.
Eventually, they will channel the huge amount of heat from the exhaust manifold to the tank as well as a way of keeping the heat topped up throughout the day.
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All the best Ronnie
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Steve, this idea of your's, or even if it was someone else's idea I don't care. I will tell you now is brilliant and within month's I just know that tank manufacturers or wfp suppliers will defo be selling tanks of all sizes with the option of the heated element. That is how good this idea is.
Eventually, they will channel the huge amount of heat from the exhaust manifold to the tank as well as a way of keeping the heat topped up throughout the day.
Already done it, did not work with the severe frost.
That was before we fitted the immersion heater though......
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What gear did you use and how did you get the heat from the exhaust to tank?
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some of the members on this forum really are idiots, this whole country is becoming a nanny state, cant do this cant do that, you arnt qualified to do this or that, you could be held liable, and half of the members on here arnt helping, if someone wants to offer a service leave it up to the individual to decide wether he (or she) wants to use that service.
There are some far better forums than this one, matts/jeffs :-X where the members try to "help" each other, instead of having attitudes.
You are offering a good service gazza, its a great idea, especially if you havnt earnt any money for the past couple of weeks, and dont feel comfortable doing it themselves.
Anyone would think hes rewiring a house, really its just like wiring in a plug, 3 wires.
keep up the good work mate.
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What gear did you use and how did you get the heat from the exhaust to tank?
first gear, sometimes second, just connect a hose pipe to exhaust and feed it into back of van through a small hole (works better with petrol engines) :P
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There are some far better forums than this one, matts/jeffs :-X where the members try to "help" each other, instead of having attitudes.
keep up the good work mate.
Not this jeff, Matt owns the diy one and the cleaning forums one- I dont have a forum.
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Lee isnt illustrating a potential danger or risk not helping someone then?
Do you have public liability insurance?
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What gear did you use and how did you get the heat from the exhaust to tank?
We used a wfp pump to take water from the tank. This is then put through 50 meters of 10mm copper pipe(not cheap) which is coiled round the silencer box twice. The coil is wraped in insulating exhaust tape to stop the heat escaping from the pipe
We thought this might work to combat the frosty days but like I said it did not work on its own.
We will be fitting a heating element to the landy with the copper coil probably next week.
I will let you know how it works if you want
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Lee isnt illustrating a potential danger or risk not helping someone then?
Do you have public liability insurance?
yes thank you, do you have a girl thingy?
what are the potential risks? whats the difference of putting a 3kw heater in your tank, or putting a 3kw heater in the van to stop filter pumps ect freezing?
if anyone suggested putting a 3kw oil filled radiator in their van nobody would be questioning it.
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My point wasnt, if you'd read my earlier posts correctly, not about the fitting of an immersion element, it was that Gazza was offering to do electrical work for remuneration and most likely wasnt insured to do it.
Have you got one of these elements plugged into a household socket on your ring-main?
I did put a 3Kw heater in my van tank last year Lee, you should do a search and find out what went wrong before you try gobbing off to people with your little tantrums.
Not so much a 'girl-thingy' more a woman thingy thanks, theyre far more fun.
You stick the girls mate.
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I came on here earlier in the week first time for a while.I wa in a state the same as most of us cos I couldnt work as my water,pipes,pumps etc were frozen >:(
I stumbled upon the post by Steve about the immersion heater and my week was MADE. ;D
I now have a tank fitted with immersion heater and can work when previously couldnt :)
Its each and every mans own personal choice whether or not they take up Steves idea,he hasnt forced it on anyone.
Please give the man credit for sharing such a great idea with us all instead of jumping on the H&S wagon.
As I said if you dont like the idea you dont have to use it.
But for the record iv used it and am eternally gratefull.
Thanks Ste.
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i fitted one yesterday, 11" in 640ibc. think i should have got the 27" but they advise to fit horizontal only on 14" or less. anything bigger should be fitted vertically according to element manufacturer.
only coplaint i had is this morning the water below the element was cool, above was lovely and warm. it needs something to make the waer circulate, cos otherwise when you drive off the cool water then mixes with the hot and brings the overall temp down.
anyone else come across this?
so if you can get the element as low as you can.
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the water wont circulater as hot water rises, if u have an immersion at home look where ur element is in the tank
u can wire one of these up to a plug with a cut out on, as long as wire is big enough, if you are worried to local spark shop and ask them what is best to get,
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i fitted one yesterday, 11" in 640ibc. think i should have got the 27" but they advise to fit horizontal only on 14" or less. anything bigger should be fitted vertically according to element manufacturer.
only coplaint i had is this morning the water below the element was cool, above was lovely and warm. it needs something to make the waer circulate, cos otherwise when you drive off the cool water then mixes with the hot and brings the overall temp down.
anyone else come across this?
so if you can get the element as low as you can.
take the outlet on your pump and stick it through the lid of tank this will move the water wile its heating up . ;) or you could drill a small hole at the top of tank and fit a tap to hozelock the pump outlet onto.
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you could fit the radiator out let pipe or the heater water pipe off the van engine to run through the tank , this will give a inline heating system for the tank to keep the temp up , these pipes get very hot i think i would work.
you will have to drill 2 more holes at the base of the tank.
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you could fit the radiator out let pipe or the heater water pipe off the van engine to run through the tank , this will give a inline heating system for the tank to keep the temp up , these pipes get very hot i think i would work.
you will have to drill 2 more holes at the base of the tank.
Tried that, 2 problems.
1. Your engine gets very cold very quickly. i.e no heaters.
2. If you put it directly through the head of your engine / radiator the water will be minging / full of antifreeze.
We ran a copper coil from the radiator into the tank. See problem 1.
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what about 12 volt immersion of the alernator ,its just to keep the heat up init.
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So i dont know what i am doing... yet in your post (which has just been deleted, )you say its easy... hole drilled fit flange blah blah....
and anyone can do it,,,
if i dont know what i am doing how come i have now got a lagged tank with an element in, and i have had hot water this morning and warm water this afternoon,
No desrespect to steve,... meant at all,
yes i did ask more questions than anyone else on steves topic,
Thats how you learn mate,
Some guys will never fit anything of their own ever, ... so the offer of help was there ......Amd as much as i like doing favours for people,... and i do lots and lots,
people on this forum are widespread , so i cant possibly drive up and down the country fitting one here and there for nothing, so in effect its still a favour because very little profit involved,
But i aint about to start an argument on here with the guys who slag every little thing off , either out of boredom, jealousy or for any other reasons which grips them.
So the offer of help from me is withdrawn,... and if you would like one fitting , my mate dean , who is also a cleaner, will be happy to help, although his prices may be different i dont know.
he is dr clean... on this forum so anyone wanting will have to start a new thread with his name on.
Cheers to everyone who was interested , but get one fitted lads... its a cheap way of combatting this awful weather
genuine concern for you gazza thats where i was coming from mate...great idea from steve one which i have took up myself,but fitting for others is a very dangerous game.......my sparky mate who fitted mine said there is a hell of a lot of power and heat going through these elements and used incorrectly or to much can cause fire!!! thats all i was trying to say and probably should have worded it a little better....
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So i dont know what i am doing... yet in your post (which has just been deleted, )you say its easy... hole drilled fit flange blah blah....
and anyone can do it,,,
if i dont know what i am doing how come i have now got a lagged tank with an element in, and i have had hot water this morning and warm water this afternoon,
No desrespect to steve,... meant at all,
yes i did ask more questions than anyone else on steves topic,
Thats how you learn mate,
Some guys will never fit anything of their own ever, ... so the offer of help was there ......Amd as much as i like doing favours for people,... and i do lots and lots,
people on this forum are widespread , so i cant possibly drive up and down the country fitting one here and there for nothing, so in effect its still a favour because very little profit involved,
But i aint about to start an argument on here with the guys who slag every little thing off , either out of boredom, jealousy or for any other reasons which grips them.
So the offer of help from me is withdrawn,... and if you would like one fitting , my mate dean , who is also a cleaner, will be happy to help, although his prices may be different i dont know.
he is dr clean... on this forum so anyone wanting will have to start a new thread with his name on.
Cheers to everyone who was interested , but get one fitted lads... its a cheap way of combatting this awful weather
genuine concern for you gazza thats where i was coming from mate...great idea from steve one which i have took up myself,but fitting for others is a very dangerous game.......my sparky mate who fitted mine said there is a hell of a lot of power and heat going through these elements and used incorrectly or to much can cause fire!!! thats all i was trying to say and probably should have worded it a little better....
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haha incredible 8)
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In that case Gazza I guess the points I raised were thoroughly relevant.
And to those who try to put me down because I voiced a very real concern that the opening poster now acknowledges, I accept your apologies; although you haven't got the courage to say so.
I did notice one dunder-head in pictures he posted of his all new gleaming, brand spanking, all dancing hot water immersion set-up that he was using lighting cable to wire in a 3KW immersion heater. I suggest when that thing has been running 20 minutes you check the cable. Enjoy the barbecue.
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Plenty of courage, and i have not wired mine up with lighting cable, nor would i have done anyone elses, with lighting cable,
i did not apologise, because who have i got to say sorry to? and what for??????
there are concerns about everything on here, electric appliances being one of them,
carrying a cannister of gas is another , which rarely gets a mention,
people are using the elements... i use mine for extreme frost, so i can work, like Steve.
i have changed this post because the wording was mis-understood and looked like i was a qualified electrician ,.... to some people ......The risks are there for anyone, and were there more so for me, should i have fitted elements for others, i accept that,
when all is said and done, it an element ..... im not exactly wiring a full house.
But some people jump on the H&S Bandwagon and take things a little far,....
Your post above proves your concerns were for arguements sake alone, and not my well being,
Accepting an apology which i didnt give ??????? then saying i have not the courage to say so....
Baffling.
Anyway to all who commented , thank you . i know the risks, i understand i would be in trouble if anything happened ,
thats the reason i wont fit anyone elses.
i knew that already, but once people started slapping that on here , it was time to withdraw the offer.
No apology required for trying to help people,..