Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cat9921 on April 28, 2010, 07:17:30 pm
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HI
5 years ago I started WFP one of my customers said that they did not like it and got rid of me... Well they found another window cleaner that was trad and all was going well until he decided to go WFP as well.. I was driving past the house and he was cleaning the windows and the lady was out the house and saw me looking at the window cleaner using WFP... Now I know this is wrong but I had the biggest cheshire cat smile you can imagine ;D <----- NO bigger than that ;D
well 2 years ago she got rid of him for another trad window cleaner, Well I know this bloke, a good man and he has been doing it for the last 2 years. he has picked up work from me and the other window cleaner that are WFP ::)
Well today I have been working and that trad window cleaner has stopped me and said that he is going WFP now as well Cheesy
Looks like that old customer will be getting her windows by WFP after all ( hahahahhah )
I just think that even when trad window cleaners pick up work from WFP it still does not put them off going WFP
Adders ;D
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i converted 5 years ago too, i only lost 1 customer , i was the first in my area, now there are loads , in fact more wfp than trad.
daz
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when I first started wfp I was one of the first in my area and I did have a nock back from some customers who wanted it done the "proper way" these even included 3 storey houses where a prpoer window cleaner would be putting his life on the line.
Nowadays everyone and his dog is using wfp and those customers who wanted a proper window cleaner now accept that wfp can clean windows if it is used correctly.
I predict that in 10 to 15 years you won't be able to find a proper window cleaner for love unless you are willing to pay more than double what the wfp guys are charging.
Then everyone can go back to ladders and leave me to carry on wfp in peace and quite again.
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stans next ;D ;D ;D
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stans next ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D
I recon hes redesigning his horse and cart as we speak. ;)
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no hand ;D ;D cart
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no hand ;D ;D cart
the cowboy told me he had a horse ???
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thats for sundays as hes to cerefull thuw the week as the indans rond his way wood put an arow in his back ;D ;D ;D
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I predict that in 10 to 15 years you won't be able to find a proper window cleaner for love unless you are willing to pay more than double what the wfp guys are charging.
What do you mean? WFP are The proper window cleaners.
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I predict that in 10 to 15 years you won't be able to find a proper window cleaner for love unless you are willing to pay more than double what the wfp guys are charging.
What do you mean? WFP are The proper window cleaners.
Yeah, you need a trad guy for that.
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I can do both :o
but i prefer one to the other
I was a proper window cleaner for24 years now i'm still a proper window cleaner :-\
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i can remember when it first came out and i really thought it would never be used on domestic houses back then.
it was hard enough getting commercial jobs to like back then.
now its everywhere! def more wfp than trad guys.
i do find alot of customer like the fact of the safety - some expect you to climb the wall and be a monkey and dont care for your safety, customer like that i dont bother with.
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hardly any wfpolers where i work!ill be one of the first!a lot of trad lads about though!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
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hardly any wfpolers where i work!ill be one of the first!a lot of trad lads about though!! ;) ;D ;D ;D
same around here,long live trad ;) ;)
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I cleaned the inside of a house today, the outside I use wfp. Like I have done many times.
Looking at the windows closer I could see lots of spec's missed by the wfp, and a couple of white water marks.
My point is, If I cannot trust the clean with a wfp then maybe i am better off only using wfp for upstairs windows and conservatories.
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well i must be the best wfp around here, cause i get no spots, or does everyone forget like any other tool, preperation makes a good clean, its all about knowing your equipment and how to use it, you name it, i can clean it, all wfp, i dont know everyones situation, could be they are a learner, never had any formal basic training, or just miss informed, or just going by what they read on forums, any body thinking the wfp is a magic stick, thing again, experience and years of cleaning splits us well apart, anyone with continues problems, should ask someone that works in there area, to take them out for a day or 2, this way they at least they know how to use a wfp, there is a presedures that is supposed to be followed, but a few seem to think that it is all bal%&%ks, or simply just want to skip that part, as it gets done quicker, i think they call it the 3 clean con as i remember :o
dont follow the cars fogg lights on a foggy night in front of you, cause when he goes over the cliff, you go with him ;D
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I cleaned the inside of a house today, the outside I use wfp. Like I have done many times.
Looking at the windows closer I could see lots of spec's missed by the wfp, and a couple of white water marks.
My point is, If I cannot trust the clean with a wfp then maybe i am better off only using wfp for upstairs windows and conservatories.
Strange that is, today I had to clean a 3 storey house both inside and outside.
I didn't notice any spots, the glass looked pristine.
Maybe I still doing it wrong ::)
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well i must be the best wfp around here, cause i get no spots, or does everyone forget like any other tool, preperation makes a good clean, its all about knowing your equipment and how to use it, you name it, i can clean it, all wfp, i dont know everyones situation, could be they are a learner, never had any formal basic training, or just miss informed, or just going by what they read on forums, any body thinking the wfp is a magic stick, thing again, experience and years of cleaning splits us well apart, anyone with continues problems, should ask someone that works in there area, to take them out for a day or 2, this way they at least they know how to use a wfp, there is a presedures that is supposed to be followed, but a few seem to think that it is all bal%&%ks, or simply just want to skip that part, as it gets done quicker, i think they call it the 3 clean con as i remember :o
dont follow the cars fogg lights on a foggy night in front of you, cause when he goes over the cliff, you go with him ;D
Well, we all cannot be has perfect as you .
Their is only one way I know of, cleaning with a WFP. That is to do the top part of frame first, rinse off. Then the sides of frame and then the glass. Then rinse. etc.
I have a feeling it may be the brush head, looks like its got split ends. I have been using it for quite a while now. I will change it and see what happens.
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
so you looking at wfp on e bay you must be thinking about it
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i use wfp for 99% of jobs, and after the first clean, then are ok, had the odd one that is dirty, with a big mark, always seem suspicious to me, as it wasnt there when i finished as have a walk around and check before i go as a lot of my work is compact
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
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When I said that the future is WFP, I did not mean there will be NO trad ::)
I love both tools, You just need to use what tools is best for you
Adders ;D
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be.
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also most are selling because they buy all this wfp stuff and dont have any customers first,then they clean and dont like the job...
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i dont think all windys will be wfp at all!a lot dont want the expense and hassle!their are a lot like this round my end!!
some are just happy with a ladder and bucket and no water issues!
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it is hard to start with because you walk away before the end result but as has been said with practice you know what windows could leave potential spotting and there is no better feeling than doing in and out of a custys house and seeing the results for yourself . No doubt sometimes you get problems but doing it trad you can sometimes miss little bits that you notice when cleaning the inside. i think wfp is the future but no window cleaner should be without the traditional tools both great. ;D
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be.
well tws, i hope all the trade guys keep up that Attitude ::) i will just keep taking all the work, my working life is brilliant, custys are all over the moon, the money is better than trad, we are not here to convince anyone, its up to folk to learn from members experiences, tips ect, small or big they are all valuable, you sound as if you have had a bad experience with wfp,
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be.
well tws, i hope all the trade guys keep up that Attitude ::) i will just keep taking all the work, my working life is brilliant, custys are all over the moon, the money is better than trad, we are not here to convince anyone, its up to folk to learn from members experiences, tips ect, small or big they are all valuable, you sound as if you have had a bad experience with wfp,
no never used it just been reading on here all the problems that can arise, not picking an argument with you or any other wfp live and let live but just seen soooo many for sale second hand lately makes you think do-sent it could just be people going out of business altogether :(
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Well this guy doesn't like wfp much ::) Text is taken from a website front page, In fairness I won't reveal the address he may be a member.
We clean windows on a regular 4 weekly basis for domestic customers, whilst our shop customers are cleaned once a week.
We clean the windows properly by hand, not with a pole system with water gushing out that leaves streaks and wastes water by the bucket load (literally!). They’re fine for windows that can’t be reached by ladder, but essentially no better than using a hosepipe in our opinion!
;D ;D ;D
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be.
First time, maybe the first couple of times you use it, it's no quicker, and it hurts different muscles to trad. so give it up.
It's not a magic wand. You have to do it right, just like trad.
I do a large office block in and out, and it's reassuring to see how good it looks from the inside. ;D
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Well this guy doesn't like wfp much ::) Text is taken from a website front page, In fairness I won't reveal the address he may be a member.
We clean windows on a regular 4 weekly basis for domestic customers, whilst our shop customers are cleaned once a week.
We clean the windows properly by hand, not with a pole system with water gushing out that leaves streaks and wastes water by the bucket load (literally!). They’re fine for windows that can’t be reached by ladder, but essentially no better than using a hosepipe in our opinion!
;D ;D ;D
What's the betting he will change to wfp in the end. A few I knew knocked it when I started wfp, now they all have it.
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if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? ::)
most are upgrading to newer poles,
no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be.
I know what you are saying, if its so good why do you read all the problems on the forum ::) ....
But you can turn that question on its head if its so rubbish why do so many window cleaners that are WFP encourage others to go WFP.... If it was that bad then surely thay would say stay away from it ::)
Wfp is not perfect there are problems with it. But dont think its not worth having ::)
jouk45 is right get to master the tool and you will wonder how you lived without it
Adders ;)
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most of the people selling say they had a change of circumstances could mean a number of things ,there mum wants her broom back, the dhss has collared him, someone's tripped over his trailing pipe and wants to sue, his necks gone from all that looking up, he,s been put on a meter, and my personnel favourite he,s gone back traditional for job satisfaction :)
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tws,
Have you any evidence to back up your posts?
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wfp is safer, faster, does a better job and most importantly is more profitable.
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I was talking to one on Friday at the house where I was cleaning carpets.
He has a trolley system and WFP's the upper storeys whilst his helper does the
ground floor windows traditionally.
Is this the norm?
John
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I was talking to one on Friday at the house where I was cleaning carpets.
He has a trolley system and WFP's the upper storeys whilst his helper does the
ground floor windows traditionally.
Is this the norm?
John
Its down to each individual window cleaners wether you WFP tops and bottoms.. you say that they use a trolly this may explain it why they do this so as to save water
Adders ;)
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some are masters at wfp and some are not. ;D
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there a lot of system for sale on ebay as people spend there money on there system, the best they can buy, dont have the custy base, think that jobs will come flooding in and it doesnt so sell it on ebay
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However you do it window cleaning has a very high drop out rate. Too much like hard work for most people.
The WFP equipment on ebay is probably because the owners have made their money and are retiring. I like trad window cleaners, I just hope they all stay trad around my way for years and years but unfortunately more and more are wising up and switching.
I used to regularly get people phoning up saying "I'm told you clean windows using the new system, can you come and do mine?" The idea that customers don't like WFPs is forum babble. Some don't its true but in my experience there are more who do.
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tws,
Have you any evidence to back up your posts?
hi mate i know iv only made a couple of posts but you should have been able to tell by my last post i dont take things to seriously, my mates just cleaned his conservatory suffits gutters windows the lot with a £29 wfp that attaches to your outside tap job looks as good as any iv seen on here ho he did blade off all the glass so i think its more to do with the person doing the job than the equipment he uses ;D
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tws,
Have you any evidence to back up your posts?
hi mate i know iv only made a couple of posts but you should have been able to tell by my last post i dont take things to seriously, my mates just cleaned his conservatory suffits gutters windows the lot with a £29 wfp that attaches to your outside tap job looks as good as any iv seen on here ho he did blade off all the glass so i think its more to do with the person doing the job than the equipment he uses ;D
Ok mate, fair enough. Perhaps you you could take up the Barry Mallett role for the trad blokes, winding up the wfp brigade.
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no thanks i,ll leave that to stan...................... ;D
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you know i was thinking if you,v not got to many dodgy windows say above sloped roofs i think a wagtail flipper on a pole would be quicker easier cheaper than wfp especially if your as good as me ;D