[daz1977]

i use wfp for 99% of jobs, and after the first clean, then are ok,  had the odd one that is dirty, with a big mark, always seem suspicious to me, as it wasnt there when i finished as have a walk around and check before i go as a lot of my work is compact

[jouk45]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

[cat9921]

When I said that the future is WFP, I did not mean there will be NO trad  :

I love both tools, You just need to use what tools is best for you

Adders 

[tws]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be. 

[stfc]

also most are selling because they buy all this wfp stuff and dont have any customers first,then they clean and dont like the job...

[dazmond]

i dont think all windys will be wfp at all!a lot dont want the expense and hassle!their are a lot like this round my end!!

some are just happy with a ladder and bucket and no water issues!

[wizclean]

it is hard to start with because you walk away before the end result but as has been said with practice you know what windows could leave potential spotting and there is no better feeling than doing in and out of a custys house and seeing the results for yourself . No doubt sometimes you get problems but doing it trad you can sometimes miss little bits that you notice when cleaning the inside. i think wfp is the future but no window cleaner should be without the traditional tools both great.

[jouk45]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be. 

well tws, i hope all the trade guys keep up that Attitude  : i will just keep taking all the work, my working life is brilliant, custys are all over the moon, the money is better than trad, we are not here to convince anyone, its up to folk to learn from members experiences, tips ect, small or big they are all valuable, you sound as if you have had a bad experience with wfp,

[tws]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be. 

well tws, i hope all the trade guys keep up that Attitude  : i will just keep taking all the work, my working life is brilliant, custys are all over the moon, the money is better than trad, we are not here to convince anyone, its up to folk to learn from members experiences, tips ect, small or big they are all valuable, you sound as if you have had a bad experience with wfp,

no never used it just been reading on here all the problems that can arise, not picking an argument with you or any other wfp live and let live but just seen soooo many for sale second hand lately makes you think do-sent it could just be people going out of business altogether   

[chris@c.m.s]

Well this guy doesn't like wfp much  : Text is taken from a website front page, In fairness I won't reveal the address  he may be a member.

We clean windows on a regular 4 weekly basis for domestic customers, whilst our shop customers are cleaned once a week.

We clean the windows properly by hand, not with a pole system with water gushing out that leaves streaks and wastes water by the bucket load (literally!). They’re fine for windows that can’t be reached by ladder, but essentially no better than using a hosepipe in our opinion!

 

[sparklebright]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be. 

First time, maybe the first couple of times you use it, it's no quicker, and it hurts different muscles to trad. so give it up.
It's not a magic wand. You have to do it right, just like trad.
I do a large office block in and out, and it's reassuring to see how good it looks from the inside. 

[sparklebright]

Well this guy doesn't like wfp much  : Text is taken from a website front page, In fairness I won't reveal the address  he may be a member.

We clean windows on a regular 4 weekly basis for domestic customers, whilst our shop customers are cleaned once a week.

We clean the windows properly by hand, not with a pole system with water gushing out that leaves streaks and wastes water by the bucket load (literally!). They’re fine for windows that can’t be reached by ladder, but essentially no better than using a hosepipe in our opinion!

 

What's the betting he will change to wfp in the end. A few I knew knocked it when I started wfp, now they all have it.

[cat9921]

if wfp so good why there so many second hand for sale on ebay ? :

most are upgrading to newer poles,

no most are selling because they realise after using it its not as good as they thought it would be. 

I know what you are saying, if its so good why do you read all the problems on the forum  : ....
But you can turn that question on its head if its so rubbish why do so many window cleaners that are WFP encourage others to go WFP.... If it was that bad then surely thay would say stay away from it  :

Wfp is not perfect there are problems with it. But dont think its not worth having  :

jouk45 is right get to master the tool and you will wonder how you lived without it

Adders 

[tws]

 most of the people selling say they had a change of circumstances  could mean a number of things ,there mum wants her broom back, the dhss  has collared him, someone's tripped over his trailing pipe and wants to sue, his necks gone from all that looking up, he,s been put on a meter, and my personnel favourite he,s gone back traditional for job satisfaction       

[G Griffin]

tws,
     Have you any evidence to back up your posts?

[Scrimble]

wfp is safer, faster, does a better job and most importantly is more profitable.

[JandS]

I was talking to one on Friday at the house where I was cleaning carpets.
He has a trolley system and WFP's the upper storeys whilst his helper does the
ground floor windows traditionally.
Is this the norm?

John

[cat9921]

I was talking to one on Friday at the house where I was cleaning carpets.
He has a trolley system and WFP's the upper storeys whilst his helper does the
ground floor windows traditionally.
Is this the norm?

John

Its down to each individual window cleaners wether you WFP tops and bottoms.. you say that they use a trolly this may explain it why they do this so as to save water

Adders 

[karygate]

some are masters at wfp and some are not.

[daz1977]

there a lot of system for sale on ebay as people spend there money on there system, the best they can buy, dont have the custy base, think that jobs will come flooding in and it doesnt  so sell it on ebay