[richywilts]

had a demo from richard everingham yesterday of the ionic thermopure system and it blew me away what a cracking system i never thought the water would get so hot and the clean was unreal we clean one of my employees mums houses which aint been cleaned in 2 years and it breezed thru it, i knew ionic systems are well constructed and they are very pricey but i honestly think these systems are value for money. i cant wait to get loan too order 3 new systems. and im now looking forward to the winter.

[steven ainger]

make sure you dont have it that hot in the winter, or you'll break alot of glass.
even when its lukewarm in the winter you can hear the glass creek.

[ronnie paton]

three?? you got some big work just come in??

i would defo try pure freedom before you by only two hours away and wil prob seave you 10k ish now that makes good business sense

[the bfg]

I use mine all year round,    I tend to clean my 1st job with the thermapure on and then leave it off for the next couple of jobs as the water is still warm.

in winter it does come into its owm as when we had temps 0f -4 / -5  when lots of w/cs said the water was just freezing on the glass well mine didn't.

however there are pitfalls and like everything they can go wrong and repairs are not cheap but touch wood Ive only had 1 reapir done in 5 years.

also you need to make sure the battery goes on charge every night.

but on a whole yes its a superb piece of kit thats built to do a job and no matter how grubby a conny roof is Ive never had to use TFR because the hot water cuts through it,   fascia cleans are much quicker and algae just disapears.

[richywilts]

ronnie weve had an excellent quote from pure freedom and ionics are admittedly far more expensive but to be fair they are offering us an excellent package depending on purchase of the three systems, were just weighing up all the pros and cons at minute the thermopure is tried and tested product been established for eight years where as the pure freedom is relatively new which may come with problems.you want ya van out every day n if its not because of manufacturing faults and gliches then they extra investment is worth it.

weve got rucks of work being canvassed at minute its all depending on whether we get this loan.im taking a big risk but weve played with figures n we think its viable.

[ronnie paton]

hope so, guess your getting three vans?

so thats going to have to get what at least 150k of work bloody hell youll be busty generating that.

good luck pal

on the pure feedom its been established for sometime and the system(hot water) is a webasto andy plumbing could sort out problems with  this.

by the way if im not mistaken its the same webasto system ionics use.

[trevor perry]

i looked at the ionics thermopure but in the end went for the purefreedom system the reason i did was not only price but purefreedom heat system is fully adjustable wheras ionics just has two settings winter and summer, as for reliability the purefreedom system has been brilliant upto now but is only 18 months old.

[richywilts]

cheers trevor, im sure it is a good system and the temperature change is useful, your in lancashire arent ya if poss would it be ok to come take a look at your system were only in ellesmere port

[Steve CM]

what is so special about the ionics over the pure freedom?

They both have the same components don't they?

[g.brookes]

you say in winter you can still clean windows.  But when its as cold as last winter, all the water that goes on the floor will still freeze making the customers property an ice rink.  sounds incredibly dangerous to me

[richywilts]

what is so special about the ionics over the pure freedom?

They both have the same components don't they?

im not slagging pure freedom off steve, just that the thermopure is more developed than the pure freedom setup, im after any experiences people have had before making a decision

[Mike_G]

you say in winter you can still clean windows.  But when its as cold as last winter, all the water that goes on the floor will still freeze making the customers property an ice rink.  sounds incredibly dangerous to me

I'll second that.

[richywilts]

WELL U CAN ALWAYS THROW GRIT DOWN ON THE FLOOR AND MISS OUT DOOR WAYS ETC WHERE THEY WALK IN AND OUT

[Mike_G]

WHATS WITH THE CAPITAL LETTERS? You could chuck grit down but I wonder how many bother, and you'd have to be quick because in the time it takes to clean the house any number of people could (unlikely I know) fallover including whoever is cleaning the windows. Then of course there is the expense of grit and the time it takes to put it down, do you now need to pass this additional cost on to your customers?

[g.brookes]

i'd hate to lug a bag of grit round with me all day.  And would you put a bit of grit down after each window, or after you've done the property?  If the latter then there's a good chance of the customer coming in and out of their property and slipping.  And who picks the grit up?  Or do you just let the grit build up?

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Grit only works down to -6 apparently. We had temps down to -20 here last winter!

I would seriously think hard about winter working if this big investment is being based on it.

I fitted a 3Kw, 27" immersion heater to my tank in January so I've worked with hot water, albeit, not boiling, but hot & I found that there is a limit to what you can still work with. I found that between about +2 & -3 the heated water was of huge benefit. From -4 & below the water still froze on the glass & everywhere else.

[trevor perry]

cheers trevor, im sure it is a good system and the temperature change is useful, your in lancashire arent ya if poss would it be ok to come take a look at your system were only in ellesmere port

of course you can, if you give me a ring we can arrange a time to suit my number is 07793322100

[Dave Willis]

Hope you've done your maths homework for the loan, the vat, the tax the wages and all.
Would scare the life out of me 

[steven ainger]

Ive cleaned with hot for over 3 yrs, and have had the water freeze on the glass.
Personally, i dont clean when its that cold, for the reasons mentioned above.

[Dave Willis]

Also why I'm not keen to employ let alone take out a big loan. Get rfozen up, plus the Christmas break and there could be no income for several weeks yet the loan plus the wages keep going out.

[Steve CM]

what is so special about the ionics over the pure freedom?

They both have the same components don't they?

im not slagging pure freedom off steve, just that the thermopure is more developed than the pure freedom setup, im after any experiences people have had before making a decision

i think your over complicating the process.

The purefreedom is exactly the same as a thermopure in terms of what it does and how it does it. i think the only difference is that purefreedoms is on demand as where the thermo pure can circulate back to the tank. from what other people have said i think this process caines diesel?? i maybe wrong though. Also as smeone has said you can adjust the temp on the pure freedom.

I seriously looked at the thermopure and nearly went for it but i'm glad i never.

[the bfg]

Also why I'm not keen to employ let alone take out a big loan. Get rfozen up, plus the Christmas break and there could be no income for several weeks yet the loan plus the wages keep going out.

he best not do it then if its not what you would do,   should we all take notice of you and your negativity ?

[Dave Willis]

Sorry I spoke.

[Dave Willis]

Richy will do whatever Richy wants. However, having followed Richy's posts I will say his business runs like a rollercoaster with some really big dips. In my opinion he needs to think very hard before taking out a massive loan and look at the best and worst senarios. A bad winter could be crippling for him. Will the expenditure be worth it, will he actually be any better off? How much over the full term will it actually cost? Sometimes you have to look at the negative side - you would be pretty thick if you didn't.
It's just a forum so hey ho - ignore me and borrow to the hilt and buy the most expensive sytems available I couldn't give a toss. 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

Richy will do whatever Richy wants. However, having followed Richy's posts I will say his business runs like a rollercoaster with some really big dips. In my opinion he needs to think very hard before taking out a massive loan and look at the best and worst senarios. A bad winter could be crippling for him. Will the expenditure be worth it, will he actually be any better off? How much over the full term will it actually cost? Sometimes you have to look at the negative side - you would be pretty thick if you didn't.
It's just a forum so hey ho - ignore me and borrow to the hilt and buy the most expensive sytems available I couldn't give a toss. 

Couldn't agree more.

At least some people have an ounce of sense!

[richywilts]

cheers trevor, im sure it is a good system and the temperature change is useful, your in lancashire arent ya if poss would it be ok to come take a look at your system were only in ellesmere port

of course you can, if you give me a ring we can arrange a time to suit my number is 07793322100

cheers trevor

[richywilts]

thing is tho even if i have 3 vans with 3 of these hot systems in them and i can work for a whole month where you cant and each van does a minimum of £1000 a week thats £12000 coming in, say £1000 for loan, £2500 wages, £4800 for tax and vat, £1500 business costs, im still takin over £2grand home which is £2grand more than you and your cold system!!!!!!!! so yes i see it as a big risk but isnt not working a risk as well, i want to provide window cleaning all year round for my customers also we are now marketing a lot of work for the winter so that we have days where we can work doing other adhoc stuff so were prepared for the winter

[ronnie paton]

couple of questions richy is that a one employee or two per van? either way its not alot of wages?

Have you checked out insurance? has i guess youll have three more more vans?

it will pay if you get the work but ii believe you can grow way to quickly and your on your back foot from the start has from what you have said you have never made a profit yet.

also does this wage include your manager and canvasser??

for me a van with two men needs to do 2k which but that is nearer to 300k and that would be some canvaser to bring this in short term.

when i started my business  iwent with the flow and invested when i really had no other option ie i worked long days untill i could emoploy and then we worked long days untill i needed a new van that way were still making a profit short and long term.

but to be fair we go into business to do things our own way and thats what your doing, but youll find many will not agree or feel they could justify such quick fix gamble

[Scrimble]

do you even have the work for 3 vans? or is it all big ideas? sounds mad to me and very very very expensive

whats wrong with 3 old vans with cold diy systems until you have the customer base which can provide work for what you need? then go and buy some gold plated system?

amazes me how some windys forget the most important part of the window cleaning business, CUSTOMERS! without them you have nothing

[Dave Willis]

thing is tho even if i have 3 vans with 3 of these hot systems in them and i can work for a whole month where you cant and each van does a minimum of £1000 a week thats £12000 coming in, say £1000 for loan, £2500 wages, £4800 for tax and vat, £1500 business costs, im still takin over £2grand home which is £2grand more than you and your cold system!!!!!!!! so yes i see it as a big risk but isnt not working a risk as well, i want to provide window cleaning all year round for my customers also we are now marketing a lot of work for the winter so that we have days where we can work doing other adhoc stuff so were prepared for the winter

Do Ionics fit a snow plough? It wasn't the temperatures alone that stopped me working. It was Christmas Holiday week then the  fact that vehicles couldn't access the properties anyway due to the ice on the estate roads. Richey, it's just that your posts were bleating about how you had no money, no interest in cleaning windows and couldn't afford to take a wage from the business. I just find your business brain a little odd if you think borrowing thousands will sort everything out. Still, it's the way Governments run so you could be right  :

I too have a hot system now - cost me about £170 extra.

£2500 wages per month is what many traders take on their own - you're going to have to pay six workers plus your own wage back in the office. So, that's the possibility of seven wages per week, even if you pay peanuts thats getting on for £2100 per week or £8400 plus your canvassers wages per month. Three lots of van tax, three times the servicing costs three times the insurance three time the fuel, holidays for six workers, quarterly vat returns, accountants fees etc. cover for sickness.
Good luck

[richywilts]

thats your decision to go for the cheap option, personally im not really into the diy system etcs and bodging things, yes i did say i didnt like the window cleaning for certain reasons i.e when customers wind me up n leave gates etc unlocked i dont actually mind the cleaning when things go to plan, ok some of you may not agree with how i run my business but im building for long term not short term profit, and i know things may seem a little crazy over a computer but we have done cash flow forecasts etc and taken things into account. we dont have enough work for three vans immediately but by the time we get the loan etc prob looking at november maybe, but by that time we should have won £50,000 worth of work by that time so two vans will be at capacity and a little left for the third van.

some may percieve it as madness, but we are also continually targetting commercial works etc as well and are hopeful of securing some decent sized contracts

i just see it as ambition, we have other things in the pipeline too to generate money.

[Mike_G]

Good luck to you Richy. But if customers leaving gates locked wind you up when its just you imagine how bad it will be when it happens to your employees and you still have to pay their wages! Still others cope so no doubt you can as well.

[david watts]

do you even have the work for 3 vans? or is it all big ideas? sounds mad to me and very very very expensive

whats wrong with 3 old vans with cold diy systems until you have the customer base which can provide work for what you need? then go and buy some gold plated system?

amazes me how some windys forget the most important part of the window cleaning business, CUSTOMERS! without them you have nothing

good post this you sometimes need to do a billy bragg[back to basics] last two winters were killers
even with a carlos wan fandango hot system

[TomCrowther]

If this winter is like the last two, only the guys with 4wd vans and hot water systems will be able to get out their drive and do any work.
In my humble opinion, hot water will allow you to work in -4 and lower temps, but chuck three feet of snow in the mix and you are just as doomed as the rest of us.
I do admire your ambition Richy and feel you will make a success but steady growth is the order of the day.

[Ste M]

the year before last i had a lwb transit rwd, every day it snowed i couldnt work simply due to the fact i couldnt drive anywhere, last december (just before the bad weather arrived) i bought a swb transit and luckily it had traction control. ive also got a L5 and a fogwash, i never lost one single day to the weather as my van got through it all and my hot water (dont forget two of the cheapest sytsmes on the market) systems coped with it. ok there is a knack to the way you work as in getting the water flowing before putting the hose on the floor so the warm water is moving and will therefore not freeze, i also had a few bags of grit as well as notes to put through customers doors to explain that i had cleaned and gritted after me as well as keeping water to a minimum around walkways. i had the odd issue with water freezing but each time this happened i called the custie up that night and asked how the glass looked and they said it cleared ok with no spots.

The problem with ionics is that people will not pay the money for them, how many of you on here though would have a system if money was no object? i bet a lot of you would be knocking at their door. ive seen there systems and ive heard people who have them speak very highly of them, yes there expensive to buy and maintain but so is every top of the range system. as ive said ive got a diy ish hot water system but yes if i had the money i would get a ionics one, but to be totally honest i still think i would struggle buying one over a pure freedom set up as i feel if that had issues i would be able to fix it very quickly whereas the ionics one may be a bit more specialist and therefore you may lose some days whilst waiting for a fix

[northstar161]

Excuse my ignorance; but what is an L5 and a fogwash please?

[the bfg]

thats your decision to go for the cheap option, personally im not really into the diy system etcs and bodging things, yes i did say i didnt like the window cleaning for certain reasons i.e when customers wind me up n leave gates etc unlocked i dont actually mind the cleaning when things go to plan, ok some of you may not agree with how i run my business but im building for long term not short term profit, and i know things may seem a little crazy over a computer but we have done cash flow forecasts etc and taken things into account. we dont have enough work for three vans immediately but by the time we get the loan etc prob looking at november maybe, but by that time we should have won £50,000 worth of work by that time so two vans will be at capacity and a little left for the third van.

some may percieve it as madness, but we are also continually targetting commercial works etc as well and are hopeful of securing some decent sized contracts

i just see it as ambition, we have other things in the pipeline too to generate money.

beats me why you even want to run your owm business when there are plenty on here who want to run it for you !

dont be positive just be negative as thats way forward judging by some of the replys.


make your owm mistakes mate and dont let others make them for you.

the snow has been a problem the last 2 years but its been a problem for THE WHOLE COUNTRY and not just window cleaners,  remember supermarkets wern't getting deliveries and the ammount of damage caused to the roads tells you how freakish that weather was.

but when the snow cleared and the temps were still below zero and other window cleaners were having problems with water freezing on glass well the ones using hot didn't have that problem.

and as for this nonesense of waster freezing on the ground well thats just a load of tosh,  you get some water drip down but nothing worth bothering about unless your a Tazmanian devil then you should let someone else do them  

if you do decide to go for it then make sure Ionics throw in a swift pole and a glyder per van  

[DG Cleaning]

Hot water freezes quicker than cold water. So while it may not freeze in the tank or hoses because its being heated it should freeze quicker on glass than cold.

[the bfg]

Hot water freezes quicker than cold water. So while it may not freeze in the tank or hoses because its being heated it should freeze quicker on glass than cold.

well it doesnt cos Ive worked in it and its always been fine,  water just run off glass EVERY TIME.


so now you know that there will be no more need for sleepless nights for you

[DG Cleaning]

I'm not saying it will freeze on the glass just that it will freeze quicker than cold. There's a scientific term for it which escapes me but its something like the Mumpasa Effect which proves it.

[the bfg]

whether its called the mumpasa effect or not, it dont freeze on the glass so the jobs a gooden 

[mikecam]

thing is tho even if i have 3 vans with 3 of these hot systems in them and i can work for a whole month where you cant and each van does a minimum of £1000 a week thats £12000 coming in, say £1000 for loan, £2500 wages, £4800 for tax and vat, £1500 business costs, im still takin over £2grand home which is £2grand more than you and your cold system!!!!!!!! so yes i see it as a big risk but isnt not working a risk as well, i want to provide window cleaning all year round for my customers also we are now marketing a lot of work for the winter so that we have days where we can work doing other adhoc stuff so were prepared for the winter

Maths not your strong point Richy?!!!

[mikecam]

the year before last i had a lwb transit rwd, every day it snowed i couldnt work simply due to the fact i couldnt drive anywhere, last december (just before the bad weather arrived) i bought a swb transit and luckily it had traction control. ive also got a L5 and a fogwash, i never lost one single day to the weather as my van got through it all and my hot water (dont forget two of the cheapest sytsmes on the market) systems coped with it. ok there is a knack to the way you work as in getting the water flowing before putting the hose on the floor so the warm water is moving and will therefore not freeze, i also had a few bags of grit as well as notes to put through customers doors to explain that i had cleaned and gritted after me as well as keeping water to a minimum around walkways. i had the odd issue with water freezing but each time this happened i called the custie up that night and asked how the glass looked and they said it cleared ok with no spots.

The problem with ionics is that people will not pay the money for them, how many of you on here though would have a system if money was no object? i bet a lot of you would be knocking at their door. ive seen there systems and ive heard people who have them speak very highly of them, yes there expensive to buy and maintain but so is every top of the range system. as ive said ive got a diy ish hot water system but yes if i had the money i would get a ionics one, but to be totally honest i still think i would struggle buying one over a pure freedom set up as i feel if that had issues i would be able to fix it very quickly whereas the ionics one may be a bit more specialist and therefore you may lose some days whilst waiting for a fix

Ionics have mobile "systems" engineers charging from as little as £95 for a call out    Losing days shouldn;t be a problem.

[mikecam]

whats a system , i want lone

Its a snazzy name for a water tank, RO membrane, pumps,controllers and usually a DI cannister!!!!

[barry mallett]

oh ive already got one then , thought i was missing out .

[G Griffin]

The Mpemba effect says that warmer water CAN SOMETIMES freeze quicker than colder.
Surprisingly, it wasn`t a water fed pole based theory, so it`s not always relevant to this argument. 

[ladders no more]

Iv been saveing up for a pf system this winter seen it work. seems top quality.  it has 2 heat exchangers ionics has one so two men can work. i was told you can reserculate back into the tank. preheat the hose reels as well. frost pump protection. and a quarter  of the size of ionics. with more components . with a digital controler temp readings for pump 1 and 2  batt voltage, and van temp. a lot of kit. all webasto parts.

[Nameless Drudge]

Do not get this loan if its secured on anything at all or guaranteed by any living person. You are a train crash waiting to happen.Who is the person that shares all these great forecasts,can he/she clean windows? I`d be wary you are just being told what you want to here especially so if they are drawing a wage from you.What would you do if 2 vans crashed in the winter and the employees were hurt and couldn`t work?
Anyway,hot water is about treating yourself and probably not a justified cost for employees.

[AuRavelling79]

Get the work then get the van/man. Don't get the van/man before you've got the work.

I worked through last winter by being prepared:

My RO and van tank is insulated - my storage tank is insulated. I warm my water before the start of the day with pond heaters floating in the filler holes and oil filled radiators underneath the storage tank inside the insulation.

Cost?

Insulation less than £50
Oil filled rads x 2 from Argos at £30 each = £60
Pond/Aquarium  heaters at 150w x 2 at £12 each off of ebay = £24

One 25kg bag of salt/grit
One 25kg bag of sand to mix with the above

One yard broom

All ready for winter at less than £200.

[neil kellett]

Do not get this loan if its secured on anything at all or guaranteed by any living person. You are a train crash waiting to happen.Who is the person that shares all these great forecasts,can he/she clean windows? I`d be wary you are just being told what you want to here especially so if they are drawing a wage from you.What would you do if 2 vans crashed in the winter and the employees were hurt and couldn`t work?
Anyway,hot water is about treating yourself and probably not a justified cost for employees.

Yeah, very true. He wanted to get into CC ing last week. Now its three Thermopures? I have an Ionics Thermopure, got it 5 years ago.  Things were going slack 2 weeks ago. I was thinking of heading over to the U.k So I contacted himself and offered my CC know how, equipment ( Alltec and the works) and van and was willing to put it at his disposal. I,m glad he did'nt respond to me now, he's away with the fairys, complete loo-la.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

Do not get this loan if its secured on anything at all or guaranteed by any living person. You are a train crash waiting to happen.Who is the person that shares all these great forecasts,can he/she clean windows? I`d be wary you are just being told what you want to here especially so if they are drawing a wage from you.What would you do if 2 vans crashed in the winter and the employees were hurt and couldn`t work?
Anyway,hot water is about treating yourself and probably not a justified cost for employees.

is it me or is every one aving a go a my m8
the wilts is mad as a hatter yet he as a huge window
cleaning business is rapidly expanding
granted he does buy thing at the drop of an hat ie gutter vacs
n was talking ov carpet cleaning but he's a gud lad an
will achievive his goals very soon 
Yeah, very true. He wanted to get into CC ing last week. Now its three Thermopures? I have an Ionics Thermopure, got it 5 years ago.  Things were going slack 2 weeks ago. I was thinking of heading over to the U.k So I contacted himself and offered my CC know how, equipment ( Alltec and the works) and van and was willing to put it at his disposal. I,m glad he did'nt respond to me now, he's away with the fairys, complete loo-la.

[combat1]

Whenever the snow is about I revert to the Ettore Reach pole with a backflip and  drums of warm water from the bath tap.
Make the same amount of money, no drips to freeze, but then your work is probably high rise Richy. I hardly lose any days.
But having said that I'd love a Thermopure system!
All the best to you mate.

[richywilts]

Do not get this loan if its secured on anything at all or guaranteed by any living person. You are a train crash waiting to happen.Who is the person that shares all these great forecasts,can he/she clean windows? I`d be wary you are just being told what you want to here especially so if they are drawing a wage from you.What would you do if 2 vans crashed in the winter and the employees were hurt and couldn`t work?
Anyway,hot water is about treating yourself and probably not a justified cost for employees.

Yeah, very true. He wanted to get into CC ing last week. Now its three Thermopures? I have an Ionics Thermopure, got it 5 years ago.  Things were going slack 2 weeks ago. I was thinking of heading over to the U.k So I contacted himself and offered my CC know how, equipment ( Alltec and the works) and van and was willing to put it at his disposal. I,m glad he did'nt respond to me now, he's away with the fairys, complete loo-la.

things may be slack for you pal but im hectic with window cleaning and i want to protect my round best i can and hopefully by investing in either thermopure systems or pure freedom whichever one we decide, i can continue to clean in the cold weather etc ok fair enough if the roads are that bad then granted we may not be able to work, but i dont understand why everyone is so negative when it comes to investing in your business so what if you all have one man bands etc i dont and i have employees to pay etc through the legal channels not cash in hand where i can jib them off at first sign of bad weather.

i have over 700 customers now which is rapidlly growing so if i want to offer them a 12 monthly service then so be it.

i was looking into carpet cleaning etc because i have such a large round now but for now im going to focus on the window cleaning and build that so its working efficiently then when we have funds available may be look into the carpet cleaning

[neil kellett]

I'm not slack, I'm out the door coz theres a heat wave on. But working for the domestic sector i know as does everyone that custard is only going to be loyal when it suits themselves. Thats during the summer when the sun shows up every thing. No one is getting there windows cleaned in October or January in the current climate. We'd all like to offer it but you could end up with 3 new rigs and shiny new hot water systems gathering dust with the bank manager breathing down your throat in the new year. The height of the summer is no barometer on how the whole year will go. Chrismas will be the next rush so don't over expose yourself. I'm moving in the CCing now and I over the WCing free to sweeten the pot. But its the gutters belive it or not where there is a major gap.

[ronnie paton]

neil are you saying no one wants there window cleaned between oct to jan?

[ronnie paton]

richy concentrating on the window cleaning makes good sense, im sure you are doing but only get what you need vehicle wise, has if it grows more and you need another vehicle it wont be a problem borrowing the money.

you do not want a van sat there doing nothing

[neil kellett]

neil are you saying no one wants there window cleaned between oct to jan?

No ofcourse not, however Richy stated last month that he had 600 regulars. Now its 700. Hes not gonna grow like that from october into Nov. Its swings and round abouts and might get in way over his head. He seems to talk about business like he read it out of a book. Imagine having vans repo'd with Those systems in them???!!! I started in the dom sector in March this year and have had a few down few days since then. I did'nt start in Jan, Feb why? Who the hell gets their glass cleaned then? I'm expecting to get the "Not this month" brigaders in Oct with them all coming crawing back before the Crimbo. That why I'm marketing the CCing now and into the next few months to take up the slack. I'm a lone wolf operator. Richy thinks he's Mitie.

[Nick Wareham]

There are some on this site who just cannot get their head around the concept of a window cleaning business big and successful enough to need 3 vans with top notch kit in them on the road.

Some window cleaning businesses are HUGE, I know of a guy who has 11 (yes, eleven) window cleaning vans, all with ionics systems in them, doing mainly domestics.  He is doing very well, and this is something that has inspired me to move ahead confidently.

[neil kellett]

There are some on this site who just cannot get their head around the concept of a window cleaning business big and successful enough to need 3 vans with top notch kit in them on the road.

Some window cleaning businesses are HUGE, I know of a guy who has 11 (yes, eleven) window cleaning vans, all with ionics systems in them, doing mainly domestics.  He is doing very well, and this is something that has inspired me to move ahead confidently.

Yeah? well perhaps if you'd read all of the previous posts you'd see that Richy's empire consists of 600 custard. One van doing between 15 - 20 gaffs a day thats 100 custard per week per van. So do the maths pal or get your buddy with the eleven vans to give you a hand crunching the figures.

[mikecam]

I think there is a lot of jealousy here. These Ionics thermosystems will easily earn their keep. I've had a word with my finance guy (me) and he reckons that when our doorknockers (me again) have generated more work than we (me again) can cope with then we are going to have to expand and get more vans and staff. I've had a word with our HR dept (me again) and we're all ready to go as soon as the extra work comes in. To much negativity here sometimes. I've done all the sums, and even if the loan is a grand, you'll easily take that in December if it freezes. Can't go wrong?

[Dave Willis]

Um, the loan is more like thirty grand and above for a guy who couldn't afford to draw a wage last month, didn't like window cleaning, didn't know how to pay staff, knew nothing about vat and can't do mathematics to save his life.
That's why the advice from the rip off merchants is probably poor advice in the long run. It seems Richy is in a hole financially and sees a massive loan as the way forward, the pound signs are rolling and Ionics are rubbing their grubby little hands together anticipating another victim.
 It might work, who knows but I wouldn't do it and the bank manager probably wouldn't. I bet Ionics can find the loan pretty easily though 

[richywilts]

Um, the loan is more like thirty grand and above for a guy who couldn't afford to draw a wage last month, didn't like window cleaning, didn't know how to pay staff, knew nothing about vat and can't do mathematics to save his life.
That's why the advice from the rip off merchants is probably poor advice in the long run. It seems Richy is in a hole financially and sees a massive loan as the way forward, the pound signs are rolling and Ionics are rubbing their grubby little hands together anticipating another victim.
 It might work, who knows but I wouldn't do it and the bank manager probably wouldn't. I bet Ionics can find the loan pretty easily though 

why cant i do mathematics?? coz of the ballpark figures i posted the other day which i may have forgotten a couple of things that werent 100% accurate, iv done about three different business plans ranging from worse case scenario to best case and my figures add up, iv been working with a ex bank manager who works for business link and hes very confident the figures are right, no i havent drawn a wage recently because im expanding and you sometime have to take a risk in business, so what if im not the happiest window cleaner in the uk and im sure many other may admit to not enjoying it, but il do it no problem to put food on my familys table. i hold me hands up to not knowing a great deal about vat but that is something which i can get professional advice on, as for a business loan were talking more like 24grand now, whats the problem if the number stack up, iv paid cash for everything iv got in my business and this is the first time iv looked for funding.

its better to try and fail than to fail to try!!!!!!!

[RichardBardsley]

Seems to me that if HydroPhyl spent as much time on this forum on getting more business, he'd be expanding too. What a bitter old man, who thinks he knows it all.
We should encourage and support companies expanding.
Good luck Mr. Wiltshire seems you've done the sums well and got professional advise, now go for it.

Its always scary but exciting too and that will drive your business forward and make it a success. When it is successful sell it, double bubble.

[richywilts]

hi richard sorry do i know you just you have used my surname!!!!!!!

[Dave Willis]

very true I do apologise Richy, i was particularly grumpy this morning and regretted posting that when I was later scrubbing away. I will say no more on the subject

[ronnie paton]

richy dont let it get to you pal, has long has youve done your home work

[Perfect Windows]

No one is getting there windows cleaned in October or January in the current climate.

Bar two drop outs, mine all did last year.

Vin

[Alistair@AWC]

hi richard sorry do i know you just you have used my surname!!!!!!!

Richard Wiltshire
Window Clean Direct

richardwiltshire36@yahoo.co.uk
www.windowcleandirect.co.uk
07894821844


Richy its in your signature! 

[♠Winp®oClean♠]

If the figures stack up & all the professional advisors agree, then what you waiting for?

You can't lose!

[neil kellett]

Ionics systems will pay for themselves and are absolutelely bullit proof (unless used by some neanderthal ) Mine works better now than it did when I first got it in 06' if that makes sense. But with the credit crunch and the banking crisis and the recession all rolled into one I got caught out. I was huge in construction clean up and was able to pay cash for my system back in the day. But i got the Vivaro (brand new) on credit and then bought a house in 07' so it was a nightmare making the last few payments on the van towards the end of last year ( 509.67 euros p/m) as it all dried up.
I'm on the pigs back now as the water here is free and the pressure is great. Real soft water too, liquid gold ha ha. The point is that today was a black Friday globally speaking. Just look at Bloomberg - they're all pulling their hair out. Double dip recession perhaps. Don't over expose yourself Richy. I'm not jealous at all.
But the bank will have no problems at all selling on those vans at auction when it all goes belly up again. And you'll lose the house and the table that you feed the family on buddy. Have you another ten grand in marketing to add to buying the new kit? Take a fools advice.

[mikecam]

I always thought , that at least since the creation of the welfare state, that no one has to work to put food on the familys table. Lets be honest here!!! We work to psy for cars, conservatorys, barbeques and holidays, or at least i do !!

[John drake]

 

Classic

[formb]

had a demo from richard everingham yesterday

Just had an e-mail off a Richard Everingham from Reach iT(TM)

Same fella?