NWH

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Bad results with Liqidator
« on: March 14, 2016, 10:27:19 am »
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but I have been using one of these with the Razor rubber which in an unger S channel has been good,I did some Windows indoors at home yesterday and at first I thought the windows were spotless and the liquidator was a joy to use with this red rubber. About an hour later the sun hit the Windows and the results were horrendous to the point I had to do them all again I'm just wondering whether Nick Cristian who raves on about these knows that when he walks away and thinks the Windows look great in fact they are dreadful.

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2016, 11:04:28 am »
Some have mentioned on other forums that razor red rubber recently is not as good as it's cracked up to be. Not sure if it's a quiality issue as some say it's diferent somehow. I would not know myself as I've have never used it.

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2016, 11:09:42 am »
I use a wagulator with moerman rubber and seems fine to me.
Mind you I'm as blind as a bat  ;D

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2016, 11:59:27 am »
I find the red rubber very good in a normal or slightly dog eared squeegee but in the liquidator all seems lovely when you using it only when you look back in the right light the results are awful,normally you get a clue that it's not doing as good a job but with that I didn't they looked perfect at first glance. I use mine similar to Nick Christian on youtube I hope he's not getting the same results as I did with it because you would have to hold your hands up and do them again.

chris turner

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2016, 12:23:15 pm »
The razor rubber isn't very good. Yes it lasts forever but it drags leaving streaks on the glass.
I noticed this the last couple of weeks,  using it on a dog eared unger squeegee.
Iv tried nearly all rubbers but the one I always go back to is unger hard, it's unbeatable for best results but doesn't last long before it gets 'kinks'.

chris turner

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2016, 12:26:41 pm »
I don't know if anyone else has noticed this but I have been using one of these with the Razor rubber which in an unger S channel has been good,I did some Windows indoors at home yesterday and at first I thought the windows were spotless and the liquidator was a joy to use with this red rubber. About an hour later the sun hit the Windows and the results were horrendous to the point I had to do them all again I'm just wondering whether Nick Cristian who raves on about these knows that when he walks away and thinks the Windows look great in fact they are dreadful.

Also with the liquidator you need to bend the clips slightly. They way it comes out of the box puts to much pressure on the corners of the rubber causing lines on the glass and destroys the rubber very quickly.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2016, 12:35:32 pm »
I had to bend the clips in slightly otherwise there was no pressure on the edges at all it just acted like a normal squeegee otherwise,I've tried all rubbers in it.

Dave Willis

Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2016, 01:01:02 pm »
My Liqidator has never given me any trouble. Since I threw it in the bin.

chris turner

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2016, 01:38:06 pm »
My Liqidator has never given me any trouble. Since I threw it in the bin.
;D
Best place for it to be fair, same as the unger-s plus.
Nothing beats a good ol fashioned dog eared squeegee.


Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2016, 02:41:16 pm »
I also found the red rubber to be crap , I was really pleased to begin with but then it just started dragging etc I ended up using an ettore black rubber which seems to be fine at the minute

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2016, 02:52:38 pm »
Dave did you not give it a go,honestly the results were like a child had been drawing on the glass with an invisible pen,dreadful I'm scared to use it now even on shops. I do hardly any traditional but the traditional I do I want to do well if you know what i mean.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2016, 02:54:15 pm »
The frightening thing is you really can't see it straight away as you can with others,I wonder how many other people are doing a terrible job and not realising it until the phone rings.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2016, 03:40:26 pm »
I find with the ettore soft I get near to perfect results with a slightly dog eared squeegee I can cope with a little detailing if it means putting up witht the results from the liquidator,never had such bad results than I have had with that thing.

Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2016, 04:18:40 pm »
I'm just glad I have tadghs waffle cloths to hand to buff out any smears 😃

andyM

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2016, 05:00:06 pm »
I have very little patience these days with equipment that doesn't work properly.
The Liquidator Squeegee and Razor Rubbers were disposed of fairly rapidly.  ::)roll
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ChumBucket

Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2016, 05:09:11 pm »
Pulex regular rubber, dog eared wagtail flipper (original format) and Ettore squeegee off work perfectly for me.  ;)

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2016, 05:15:00 pm »
I have channels that I have dogeared the wagga way and they work perfectly fine but like I say at first glance the liquidator looks like it does a good job on dull or cloudy days,it's when you look back over them you find the problem. I do so little trad work I don't know why I bothered with it anyway TBH if I kept using it to long they'd call me zoro cos that's what the Windows look like afterwards like I've gone over them with a sharp sword.

Dave Willis

Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #17 on: March 14, 2016, 05:56:28 pm »
I never got on with the razor red to be honest - just wouldn't cut through the soap and seemed to leave trails of moisture on the glass. Liqidator thing was dreadful, absolutely dreadful especially with moerman rubber. It worked better with masses of soap so you could fan the thing.
I actually get on pretty well with th S chanels but you need a fairly small angle to cut out the detailing. Unger rubber hard and soft has been ok, black diamond too. Don't like the wagtail rubber much. Pulex not too bad either.

dazmond

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #18 on: March 14, 2016, 06:05:54 pm »
a fellow windy i was chatting to the other day swears by them.he uses razor rubber too in his liquidators.

ive always got good results with unger ergotech squeegees and unger soft rubber so ive not bothered to try the liquidators.
price higher/work harder!

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #19 on: March 14, 2016, 06:28:03 pm »
I went from the brass ones years ago to the ergotech ones which I have used since its lasted well over 10yrs easy no adjusting hardly at all,I only changed because they were lighter and if you dropped a brass one it would bend. I can't see anyone getting really good results with them they might be thinking they are like I was.

SB Cleaning

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #20 on: March 14, 2016, 08:57:19 pm »
I use a liquidator with razr rubbers...I cleaned the insides of a  house last Friday in the sun with no problems  8)...The razr rubbers I'm using were bought 6 months ago mind :-\

nathankaye

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #21 on: March 14, 2016, 10:40:07 pm »
Glad i saw this post! A good friend of mine doesnt want to switch to wfp, dispite me telling him of all advantages, so i was gonna recommend the liquidator to him. Dont think i will bother now. He uses unger ergotec with pulex hard rubber, same as me when trad (trained him up 8yrs bk or more). Pulex hard rubber cheap enough to replace monthly which keeps detailing down to a bare miminimum any way.
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dazmond

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2016, 07:42:20 am »
Glad i saw this post! A good friend of mine doesnt want to switch to wfp, dispite me telling him of all advantages, so i was gonna recommend the liquidator to him. Dont think i will bother now. He uses unger ergotec with pulex hard rubber, same as me when trad (trained him up 8yrs bk or more). Pulex hard rubber cheap enough to replace monthly which keeps detailing down to a bare miminimum any way.

2 windys ive been telling to get a wfp for the last 5 years have...................finally switched to wfp with trolley and barrels! ;D

one of em has been going 30 years trad!hardly any  100% trad guys about now.
price higher/work harder!

stevon

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2016, 06:11:06 pm »
the liquidator is awesome,with a few mods on a wagtail handle you cannot go wrong.also try decent rubber.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2016, 08:18:10 pm »
Tried all rubbers m8 have you looked back over them when the sun is at the right level for you to see your work,at first they looked spotless until the sun went down then it was oh dear.

stevon

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #25 on: March 16, 2016, 02:19:21 pm »
no matter what rubber,or even using wfp-in low sun everything looks much worse.sometimes I wonder why people have a window cleaner-especially when looking at the state of some the insides

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #26 on: March 16, 2016, 02:31:46 pm »
I like the ones generally old folk  with net curtains as then it don't matter how bad the outside glass looks afterwards as they can't see bugger all anyway.  ;D

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #27 on: March 16, 2016, 02:52:43 pm »
no matter what rubber,or even using wfp-in low sun everything looks much worse.sometimes I wonder why people have a window cleaner-especially when looking at the state of some the insides
Ive said before WFP included you'll rarely get them perfect but the liquidator made them looked like they'd been cleaned by someone that started cleaning windows that morning,never seen such bad results.

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #28 on: March 16, 2016, 03:19:46 pm »
Could just be operators error who knows as I don't have any issues myself  ;D

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #29 on: March 16, 2016, 03:50:03 pm »
You say you don't or are the customers keeping quiet cos they like you etc,they should call it the line leaver lol.

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #30 on: March 16, 2016, 04:18:40 pm »
You say you don't or are the customers keeping quiet cos they like you etc,they should call it the line leaver lol.

Whatever I use they never complain as I either do a very good job or maybe they just feel sorry for me.  ;D
One day just for the craic I turned up with a karcher window vac.  Customer never batted an eyelid and the internal glass conny roof did not look bad either.  :D

stevon

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #31 on: March 16, 2016, 04:34:29 pm »
I agree,you do get problems with lines and swirl marks,but once modded its ok.even though I know you shouldn't have to do this

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #32 on: March 16, 2016, 04:39:27 pm »
I've adjusted it with over bending under bending you name it,like I've said when you use it they look perfect like mine did. I have never had a squeegee leave such bad results.

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #33 on: March 16, 2016, 04:47:59 pm »
Mine worked fine without having to do anything with them.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #34 on: March 16, 2016, 04:53:59 pm »
What you mean on the jobs that dropped you after using that liquidator lol 👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿

SB Cleaning

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #35 on: March 16, 2016, 05:31:09 pm »
I've adjusted it with over bending under bending you name it,like I've said when you use it they look perfect like mine did. I have never had a squeegee leave such bad results.
I think you need to learn to trad mate :D

Since you posted this up the other day I have done 4 inside jobs with the liquidator and razr rubber with no problems...I have been checking the windows carefully in the sun too :)

Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #36 on: March 16, 2016, 05:35:25 pm »
I've adjusted it with over bending under bending you name it,like I've said when you use it they look perfect like mine did. I have never had a squeegee leave such bad results.
I think you need to learn to trad mate :D

Since you posted this up the other day I have done 4 inside jobs with the liquidator and razr rubber with no problems...I have been checking the windows carefully in the sun too :)

I was being too polite to say that.  ;D

robbo333

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #37 on: March 16, 2016, 05:45:58 pm »
I did the insides of a house and connie the other day in the bright sun. Having wfp the outside.
I thought i'd try some new little waffle cloths (I got from Tadgh) and some pure in a spray bottle.
Really good results and fast too. Even on fairly large windows still quick. The only windows I used the blade was the internal patio doors, both sides and the inside of the french doors.
I normally hate doing insides but I must admit that these little waffle cloths do make it quick and easy. I have a renewed enthusiasm.
I was thinking of getting a Liquidator but won't bother now.
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Smurf

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #38 on: March 16, 2016, 05:51:56 pm »
Being a precision tool for zero detailing some just can't get on with them at all and others have no problem. Polznblade did go to great length to explain this in the vids he posted on youtube.

At the end of the day it's a personal choice what works best for you.

NWH

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #39 on: March 16, 2016, 06:02:51 pm »
What he says in his videos is rubbish the reason why you start on a different section of the window is because they stick in the corner they work better if you start in the middle and work from corner to corner,regardless of what squeegee you use you always have to go back over each turn or it will leave a line more often than not unless the blade is almost new. Ok they work well on the edges of Windows but I find you pay the price on direction change with it,you can get almost the same results with a blade cut just to the end of a normal squeegee without this problem I find.

stevon

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Re: Bad results with Liqidator
« Reply #40 on: March 16, 2016, 06:09:48 pm »
get rid of the damn thing :'(

Tadgh O Shea

Re: Bad results with Liqidator New
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2016, 11:26:26 pm »
I did the insides of a house and connie the other day in the bright sun. Having wfp the outside.
I thought i'd try some new little waffle cloths (I got from Tadgh) and some pure in a spray bottle.
Really good results and fast too. Even on fairly large windows still quick. The only windows I used the blade was the internal patio doors, both sides and the inside of the french doors.
I normally hate doing insides but I must admit that these little waffle cloths do make it quick and easy. I have a renewed enthusiasm.
I was thinking of getting a Liquidator but won't bother now.
Hi robbo333, good to hear you are getting on well with the glass cloths, i have been using microfiber glass cloths for years now instead of an applicator and squeegee on internals, i think its fair to say if you are using any type of good quality and high performance microfiber glass cloths with just water alone you will for sure achieve far more effective results than using an applicator and squeegee with additives on internals, especially if you want to achieve a finish free of SSR's (Streaks,Smears,Residues,)  Tadgh