[stains-away]

Arthur, there comes a time to stop  reading and to put some of your theoretical knowledge into practice, cleaning carpets in your head wont earn money, cleaning carpets on floors will, which is why i have said in the past that the best thing to get a new cc up and running is to take in some hands on training, most, if not all manufacturers courses cover carpet construction and testing techniques along with practical hands on supervised practice.

If i had dithered about for months when i started not so long ago i would by now probably have been bankrupt and homeless, instead i got on with it and have roughly £1.50 in the bank and some bread in the cupboard, if next weeks good to me i shall have butter to go on the bread,as i was once told,

winners never quit, quitters never win, or another one, run with the runners, walk with the walkers, but  NEVER sit with the sitters, Andy

[stains-away]

There is nothing magic about CFR, but their wand is different then others and mainly (not just) because of the wand construction they can achieve such high recovery.

Did i tell you about the exhaust on that mk1 escort Arthur, its made of gold and cleans the fumes so they smell of roses,as you hover down the road in it you can look in your rear view mirror and see that people who you just passed are now skipping down the pavement singing and small children have a look on their faces like they do on christmas morning, it can even make the nastiest of dogs roll over and let the postman rub their bellies, but then come next week their will be something better out there with even better tricks up its sleeve, Andy

[Spot On cleaning]

Arthur

Theory is fine if what you have learned can be applied successfully. You also need practice, and you will find you will learn a lot when you are actually out there cleaning carpets. Remember the old adage------ that there are a lot of educated idiots out there. I am not knocking education, but some people have no common sense, having all theory and no experience.

The therapist is correct about the difference between carpet cleaners. Try different products to find what works well for you, and remember to keep learning and re-evaluate your techniques and working practices from time to time to enable people to be able to differentiate between you the professional and the splash and dash merchant.

Dave

[AJCleaningServices]

Andy,
I have got a small domestic cleaning business...  Carpet cleaning would be an addition.
Regards,
Arthur

[AJCleaningServices]

Dave,

...I am going to buy a CC machine after attending a hand on training organised by an experienced CC...

I just want to make sure that I am going to get the equipment I need.

Regards,
Arthur

[Spot On cleaning]

Arthur

But think of all the carpets you could be cleaning whil'st codgitating over which machine to buy.

A lot of carpet cleaners have bought a machine and may wish they had bought something else, but they are still making money. In oher words, they have had a taster. Now when it comes to replacing the machine maybe several years down the road, they are now more knowledgeable about machines.

When i bought my Extracta Excel i started cleaning carpets and learned. Then i happened upon Prochem training courses, i then saw their machines and thought they are better than min'e but i carried on, made a mental note to buy a Prochem one the next time. Also Alltec machines i liked.

You cannot always go by what other people think of a product.

Dave

[carpetcleaning4u]

Dave

I thought your reply was spot on 
All machines have pros and cons
I pre vac - spay chem - plus heat- sebo agitate - great results (cleaning pie) - use prowchem powermax to rinse - brilliant kit
 
Arthur

there is no magic carpet cleaning bullet - no hotwater cc extracta is the answer.
Cfr offers a cleaning system as all of them do.
500 psi with cold dirty water - i think i will stick with what i know best.
Doug
 

[stains-away]

codgitating

Codgitate; to agitate cod  
                                                   Andy

[therapist]

OK.

I forgot..........we are dealing with a      ''fount of all knowledge    '' and we, although earning a living, in some cases a substantial living, from simply ...........doing, rather than pedantically pontificating ( and it's only 7.40 ) are really the students at the feet of the King...........but, wait a minute...............did'nt he die several ceturies ago ?

While I love discussion and banter and truly love to help people succeed and better themselves.........there always has to be positive response from the ' student' or it becomes pointless.

I my post seemed sarcastic, there was good reason.

A lot of decent, knowledgable and hard working people populate these forums and negativity simply leads to doubt.

In their own words, a few others have echoed my thoughts and I feel if someone is not listening, there comes a time, when I, personally, will quit on them, as they probably will never listen, anyway.

Nuff' said, must stay calm, as six days ago, my heart decided to scare the s..t out of me and give me a very strong hint that my, twin jet should be hung up, for the last time.

Fabulous cloud free morning up here,

Have a good life

rob m

[AJCleaningServices]

...Arthur started posting pedantic nonesense ...

Rob, I would like you to quote  : an example of the above...

OK
...I my post seemed sarcastic, there was good reason....
...a few others have echoed my thoughts and I feel if someone is not listening, there comes a time, when I, personally, will quit on them, as they probably will never listen, anyway...

Rob,

If this  : is all what you could say to support your previous statement then obviously you have nothing to say...

Have a happy retirement...
Regards,
Arthur

P.S. You have suggested that there are other producers of recycling machine:

The concept is far from new and is not exclusive to AMTECH.  it's about 8 years since I was introduced to re cycling machines and microsplitters.
r m

When Ian asked you:

Rob,
Who else makes these recycling machines.

You did not answer.

Just another example  : of you talking nonsense.

[steve cardy]

Hi arthur,
I hope you dont mind me giving you some cc advice,I know you are looking at lots of different machines for your buisness and when you read posts it is easy to get caught up with the power of  one machine vs another this system and that system.I looked at your website and carpet cleaning is only a small part of your buisness at the moment anyway. So i think a standard machine prochem powermax etc is the way to start. Its easy to use will handle the sort of jobs you will get say from existing cleaning customers.Its light and easy to get upstairs to flats etc. More powefull machines tend to heavier and a little bit tempermental.Something like the cfr 500 while a very well made machine i think is for the more experianced cc .Its great if you are doing lots of carpet,quick drying times excellent results just more maintence in the way of cleaning out filters etc. perhaps a second machine when the cc grows
  Its only my opinon though.
 cheers steve.

[AJCleaningServices]

Thanks Steve

[stains-away]

Arthur, I have received some very good advice from people on here, especially when i first started to clean carpets, some of the questions must of appeared when looking back rather silly to experianced cc's but they answered them, there is a great wealth of knowledge on this and other forums, this i find being the one that will get you the answers in an unbiased manner without one companies products being plugged constantly, go on, have a go, clean a few carpets (you will need to put the books down for practical reasons) and give yourself something proper to think about rather than worrying about what machine recovers what percentage of water, Andy

[therapist]

I don't spend all day on here.........my visits are occasional, sometimes with gaps of weeks.......

I have on occasions, posted and possibly had a reply which has disappeared of the page before I return to a topic.

Neither do I keep a log of every site I visit, in fact I find it hard to  use this piece of equipment efectively.

Whatever drives your need, to show everyone how clever you are, at picking up little discrepancies, could be put to better use.............

You come accross as a typical administrator, whose need is to be tidy and keep people on their toes, pointing out all their faults...........

Ian Gourley and I have agreed and disagreed on occasions as have others, but we either forgive or ignore minor indiscretions  and concentrate on the bigger picture.
If I failed to post a reply, it would'nt be the first time, or the last.

The reason, was not to insult, or ignore, or to have posted a lie, but probably, because I was unable to find the American sites referred to, but I assume other people are just as inquisitive as me and seek out these sites through search engines.

I'm NOT retiring......

I have wrecked my body through hard work, martial arts and carelessness and my heart has given me a very clear message.........but I'm in my 62nd year, soooooooooooooo!

Ian

Still can't remember the site for other machines, but I probably found it by using basic search techniques.

Arthur........it's Easter......a time of re birth..........enjoy



 

[carpetclean]

hi arthur i think steve cardy is giving you sound advice remember he has 20 yrs experience at cleaning carpets. also i can back up his statement as i started with the powermax  and find it a great little machine for the price it can easily be carried upstairs if need be  and coupled with an in line heater its just fine. i know a couple of c/cs who have been in the game for many years who still have the said machine and find it ok. once your carpet cleaning side kocks off and you want to have more psi then you can still use it for a back up machine. regards pete

[HolmansUKLTD]

If you learn how to use the machine properely you dont need a BIG psi or power, it all comes with expierence Chris and I have over 35yrs expierence between us and i use a powemax he uses a diamondback, its the operator NOT the machine that gets the results.

We have all heard stories and seen carpets been badly cleaned by operators with TM's and powerfull portables dont try to run before you can walk.

 So if i was you go for a powermax or similar entry level machine.


Regards

Nick

[AJCleaningServices]

Thank you Andy Peter Nick for your constructive comments and advice.

If you learn how to use the machine properely you dont need a BIG psi or power...

Nick, I could not agree with you more, however I am not after the power feature in CFR.  It is CFR tools, what I like, as they minimise drying time and reduce risk of over-wetting.  To my understanding the CFR tools require higher PSI then an entry portable can deliver and at the same time as a high PSI would require/consume more water, then conventional tools, the recycling feature is essential. 

That is why CFR package looks so attractive to me, not the cheapest however.  Or am I missing something?

Regards,

Arthur

[Derek_Walker]

Arthur,

The truth is you can get the same cleaning results regardless of what type of equipment you use, truckmount, portable, cfr etc. The most important part of any clean is the operator. I have all of these machines at my disposal and depending on type of job, access, water, etc, will dictate the type of equipment I will use. You will get the same drying times using say a powermax as you would using a truckmount, but it takes preparation from the operator to achieve the desired results. The best thing about the cfr has got to be the upholstery tool, an absolutely brilliant piece of kit. But you can use this with an ordinary portable or truckmount. I have used the upholstery tool with a 100psi machine and it works great.

Derek

[Art]

Arthur,

Do what everyone else does,select a machine, spend your money and get on with doing the job, there's no magic formula.

Arthur

[stains-away]

Arthur,

Do what everyone else does,select a machine, spend your money and get on with doing the job, there's no magic formula.

Arthur

Well said, hit it in a nutshell!