[DK]

Just to clarify,you cannot buy Dry Fusion cleaning products unless you are a licenced fusioneer, Just thought id clear that up.

Regards

David
Dry Fusion(Scotland)

[fenman]

Oi you lot.
Stick to your squirt and suck and leave low moisture cleaning to the experts.

[Dean Wilson]

Oi you lot.
Stick to your squirt and suck and leave low moisture cleaning to the experts.

 

Simon, just reread the thread and I'm not sure if your post above is to me or not. (This thread is getting confusing). But if so, I totally get the awesome results that can be achieved with a TM.  Don't need any convincing, have seen what can be done.   Just happen to believe that a TM set up is superfluous other than for truly specialist applications. (The cruise ships being the obvious example). I think TMs going into domestic houses is crazy and even office blocks with comm grade glue-down just don't need a truck mount. In fact heated rotary wil probably get better results in office environments.   So I'm not anti truck mount and I know it is the ultimate textile cleaning system.  But for general domestic & commercial carpet cleaning, I genuinely think lower moisture rotary (especially heated) gives as good results as a TM (in the right hands), at a fraction of the investment and operating costs.

I suppose it's a bit like a taxi driver buying a 80 seater Scania bus for his normal days and nights on the cabs, ferrying 3 or 4 people at a time.   

Cheers, Deano.

[Simon Gerrard]

David, Dean, Deano (I notice you've change your profile since this morning)

That's a pretty bold statement:
I think TMs going into domestic houses is crazy
And your experience of that is what, exactly?

To be fair you've obviously got the LM system pretty well sussed and fair play to you for that(and thatnks for the advice which I shall take on board) but unless you have first hand experience of operating a Truck Mount in the domestic market to substantiate your comment then I don't see how you can be in a position to make such a claim.  There are lots of guy's in the industry that have invested in a TM to do nothing other than domestic and light commercial work who are making fist fulls of money from it, indeed, the majority would happily tell you that they never really made any money in ccing until they bought a TM and yet you're telling them they are in effect crazy. I think it is reasonable to assume that people prepared to invest that kind of money in state-of-the-art equipment pretty much know what they are doing.

Simon

[Neil Williams]

Why did I know this topic sooner or later would turn into a 'mines better than yours.' 
Both have pros and cons, it takes a 'big' guy to admit theirs doesn't do everything.

[Simon Gerrard]

Neil,
you're quite right.
We did a job recently which was a tiled carpet on a stair tower in an office block. We pre-sprayed and agitated and then extracted with the TM - result picture 1. Not acceptable. We then used a padding system and the result was picture 2 - much better.
We've got a number of similar jobs to do and are looking to LM to see if it can produce a result which is acceptable without using multiple applications.
Horses for courses.

Simon

[jasonl]

I must admit , I do not understand how/why the results in the above pictures occur, it makes no sense to me.   A machine costing 30x more should give better results every time.  I am not knocking the TM just  saying it is strange.

[Simon Gerrard]

Jason,
Too much power can sometimes cause a problem like that especially where it can't breath through the backing of the carpet as it can on normal piled carpet fitted on underlay.

Simon

[jasonl]

I would have used Nemesis on that job brushed in , then padded out in seconds.

[Carpet Dawg]

David, Dean, Deano (I notice you've change your profile since this morning)

That's a pretty bold statement:
I think TMs going into domestic houses is crazy
And your experience of that is what, exactly?

Simon

aye he's a tube Simon! I dont bother listening to him but i do get a laugh out of winding him up 

I mean its compelety obvious that its David Rogers behind this Deano/Dean whoever!
There's far, far to many similarities between the two posters for a start, and the fact they both have a cocky attatuide!, the fact that after 2 posts he seem to know everyone on the forum! AND personaly had something to "say" about Derek West regarding his home town, Mike, Simon and Me in previous posts! People that had questioned his way of thinking, there are probably more but soon lost interst in his posts... That makes you the shiester pal!

Could be coincidence but very unlikely. Need to get up very early in the morning to pull one over on me

And i was working today mate for your information from the jobs i got from the web! toodaloo! 

[mark_roberts]

How would get dirty stair noses clean with a bonnett method?

Mark

[jasonl]

I  use an extractor for stairs, and wipe them with a terry towel afterwards.

[Dean Wilson]

Simon - those pictures seal the deal for me as far as TMs are concerned!!

[Simon Gerrard]

David, Dean, Deano,

I just can't take you seriously my friend. You clearly do not know what you are talking about in so many aspects of carpet cleaning, it almost makes me feel sorry for you. If you make business decisions based on such flimsy evidence of other people's pictures and experiences on one piece of carpet then it doesn't surprise me that you have to hide behind a false name because I wouldn't want to show my face under those circumstances either.

Simon

[richy27]

every system has its place. when your really busy a tm gives you that extra time since i have had mine i have well over doubled my turnover yes my costs have gone up but i have more in the bank it was the right move for me. I think most people who are critical about tms are just jealous and would want one when the chips are down.

[jasonl]

Just to clarify,you cannot buy Dry Fusion cleaning products unless you are a licenced fusioneer, Just thought id clear that up.

Regards

David
Dry Fusion(Scotland)

....... Or you know somebody who is licenced 

[Dean Wilson]

Simon, you're pretty sure of yourself, whoever you are. (Am I supposed to know?).... I suspect you've been in this game too long and your ego has suffered a terminal dillusion of significance.  From the images of your 'work' you've posted on here lately and your complete lack of fundamental knowledge of basic bonnet cleaning, I'd say you dont' have too much to be shouting about.   But hey, let's just dance seperate dances and we can both be happy.   I've found that it's possible to enjoy the good threads here and the quality contributors, and very easy to ignore the complete nuggets like Tony20.   

[Simon Gerrard]

David, Dean, Deano, 
The art of being a real professional carpet cleaner is making sure you are in a position to clean any carpet in any condition by whatever means is required. The pictures I posted were of the aftermath of cleaning the area with a TM and afterwards with a bonnet having gone over the area.
The client has since been back to us and asked us to clean all 7 floors of their office block (at £500 each) and specified that we do it with the TM as the previous company had used LM and hence the terrible mess the carpets were in in the first place. That is a £3,500 sale you would never have made because you don't have the means to meet their specification.
Any, I can't be bothered arguing with you. You have your view and I have mine, David.


Simon

[Dean Wilson]

This is the last time I'll take the bait and waste my time replying to you. I'm going to be generous seeing as it's the last dance - I'm going to give you some serious advice Simon, from the 30+ years I've spent in successful business ventures; I seriously don't think carpet cleaning is for you.  Having observed your contributions here and the breadth and openness of your mindset, I'd strongly consider a wheelie-bin cleaning franchise. Just don't post any pics unless you're sure you've done an A1 job on those bins.   

Simon I'm not insulting you; I'm not for one moment suggesting you clean the bins;  hire someone with an intellect like Tony20's to do that......     

[Dave Roberts]

I've seen more than a couple of good people 'chased' off these forums for challenging the TM fraternity.

yeah this chap carpetzest.co.uk  went away winging and came back with a new username! 

Hello Tony,

Hey, I'm over the moon you remembered the name of my business!  (Seriously)....   but a bit worried that you'd take so much interest in me that you'd remember my business name. After all I was only around this forum for 3 weeks!   ...... a stalker... yay!

I'd try and remember your business name, but of course you don't state any details of your business here; not the website, not the name, contact details, nothing; despite it being a clear opportunity to gain traffic, exposure and help with SEO.    Mmmmmm, what does that say?  Let's guess; it's so we mere mortals can't all 'copy' your perfect website, your perfect marketing, and your perfect business ......... of course.    I know a dreamer and a low self-esteem subject when I see one.   It's ok to be you Tony..... no, I mean the REAL you.