[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

The thread on the portables and previous TM vs Portables threads all seem to lead to more power means more cleaning.

However there is another school of thought which says its the preperation , vaccing,prespraying etc which is the key to good cleaning.

Which side are you on ?

Cheers,

Doug

[CARPET KNIGHTS]

I would say that it is a bit of both. I believe that good preperation is essential and personally do not skip a thing, I always give a good vacuum etc.
But also power is something that is also a good quality. Higher pressures to rinse thoroughly and more vacuum to get the extra water and more out resulting in a deeper clean and faster drying times.

Cheers Goron

PS. I'm not saying that the less powerful machines can't get good results.

[cleaning co]

hi doug ,i tend to be on the power side of cleaning,more psi  more heat more vac power makes our job  easier and better results for custy, i personaly only do dom houses so a more powerfull machine alows me to leave machine in van  cutting down setup times ,i hav av 400 lt baffeld tank in my extol van with a 12 vlt pump which is connected to my auto fill on ninja  with a auto pump out  and built in heaters i can clean for hours without even going back to my van  its a great setup and vastlty less money than a truck mount   cheers gary a happy essex carpet cleaner

[Allergeze.com]

Despite having an 900psi, 249" of lift and 110c of heat I believe good preperation is also essential.

Paul

[Len Gribble]

Doug

Good prep wins every time regardless of system

Paul

900 psi what machine is that? Thought porties only went up to 500!


Len

[Allergeze.com]

Hi Len,

The 500psi Eclipse is fitted with a 1500psi pump!!
I pressume the reason it doesnt achieve the 1500psi  is the fact there are 3 vacuum motors to power instead of only 2 in the 1500psi machine. Despite that I've wound my machine up to a hefty 900psi it may have gone even higher

Paul

[cleaning co]

mmm :

[John_Flynn]

Yes, the mind boggles  : : :

[Doug Holloway]

Hi Guys,

Some interesting responses.

It would also depend on what type of jobs you are doing.

As I have put my prices up over the last 3 years I have noticed I clean less dirty jobs and more  , relatively clean upmarket carpets.

Here it is  much less necessary to blast with hot water and decent prep will allow a more gentle approach.

Laundry washing has become more gentle over the years with many now using low temps 30-40C.

Is carpet cleaning going the same way?

Also are the low moisture cleaning methods ,  which I thought were rubbish a few years ago , going to take more of the market?

Cheers,

Doug

[Allergeze.com]

mmm :

Explain whats confused you??

[Allergeze.com]

I'll make it clearer!!

There is a model of eclipse which produces 1500psi which has two vac motors.

There is also a model with the same 1500psi pump but three vac motors........My one!

Having the extra vac motor the 1500psi pump isnt driven at its optimum but set to produce 500psi.

This being the case it is possible to open the pressure regulator valve beyond the stated 500psi without causing any harm, If you doubt this ask Martin S who is a member of this forum, he was with me when I tried this


Hope you understand now

Paul

[Doug Holloway]

Paul,

What was your water consumption like?

Did it clean better at 900?

Cheers,

Doug

[John_Flynn]

Doug

I totally agree with you about the price hike, people who are willing to pay the higher prices have cleaner carpets to work with.

Also are more apprecative of the work you have done for them.


Paul

900psi  WHY


My machine produces 1600psi+, BUT NEVER use above 450/500.

[cleaning co]

hi paul hows u,  still bit confused over couple tec points, as i hav been  told the reason u can only hav 2x2 stage vacs on one of these machines with a 1500 psi pump set up id because of elec draw meaning the motor on the 1500psi pump needs too much elec too alow 3x2 stage vacs, now to get more psi the motor needs to run faster thus if u are running three vacs and alow the pump to chuck out 900psi + u are surely over loading the motor resulting in 1 loss of power on the vacs 2 over load of eletrics , if i am wrong on this could someone with more tec know  tell me y  cheers gary   p.s do u really clean a cust carpet on 900psi ?  i find 400 to much and never go above 300-350  also surely if u are cleaning at this pressure your plug in heater is not to good as the flow would be miles to fast to heat it up to anywere near 110  all best gary

[Allergeze.com]

Guys,

As we are discussing Power or Finesse, and as an avid believer in proper preperation my point is, despite having ample power on tap I feel there is no substitute for pre extraction vacuuming, etc. My usual cleaning pressure is between 250 and 350psi, which when used in conjunction with my twin jetted (8001) prochem wand produces frugal water consumption, very good dry times and most importantly great results!! The inline heater is also capable of holding the desired temperatures with this set up.

Gary,
Regarding your Tech question, I see your point but I pressume 500psi may have been a conservative figure stated by Cleancraft?? Although as I have said I dont clean with the 900psi, I do run 350psi, 3 vac motors and the inline heater sometimes wound up without any problems tripping out.

Paul

[john rees]

I would think that if all other things are equal, same pre vaccing,aggitation the more power will mean a cleaner drier carpet for the customer......so more referals for the cleaner!

[Ed Valentine]

I think that one  probably needs alittle of both: Power and Finesse. However, what many seem to overlook perhaps, is a more essential element; that of "Efficiency".

Efficiency means getting the most out of each and every component. It also means in order to do so, that the system must be designed properly using up-dated--or advanced-- innovation technology to do so.

All of us have seen or can site various examples of efficieny too. For example, I have seen some modern petro 4 cyl. engines that have the performance of a six cyl hands down.
I have seen, smaller home furnaces become very efficient yet smaller in spec's, computers, etc.......

To myself, "Efficiency" has to rank much higher than raw Power as the most important element in our Industry.

Only my thoughts and opinion.

Good Fortune to all Brits;
Ed Valentine
cross-american corp.

[mark_roberts]

Pre vacuuming is sometimes overhyped.  Have you ever vacuumed a carpet or a whole house only to find a very small amount of dust in the bag.  Although the other end of the scale is a full bag for a whole house with pets or poor maintainence.

Heat cleans better IMO all the time and I'm now really starting to see its full benefit on suites and all types of carpets.  If the water is 70c in the tank its no where near that temp when it hits the carpet so dont be too afraid.

Having been brain washed by the microsplitters only approach I'm now starting to use slected wool safe in tank detergents for boosting cleaning of heavier soiling fabrics and carpets.  Try it.  You will like it.

Agitation can be mechanical or water pressure but the former has more advantages but more labour intensive.

At the end of the day its getting it done safely and quickly and to the customers satisfaction is what matters.

Mark