[Perfect Windows]

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[Window Washers]

I spent a lot of time researching and creating a post on cold selling regulations and their effect on us.  I spent half an hour reading the law and translating it, then posted.  The thread then descended into farce as people basically told the original poster and me that we didn't know what we were talking about, and that they had "expert" friends who had read the thread sometime between midnight and 9am (what a Saturday night that must have been!) and knew we were wrong.

I'm pretty new here.  I gained a lot of good information from this forum and I thought I could add to it.  I also thought I could escape the "shoot the messenger" approach of many of the people on here.  Obviously not.  It's no wonder people leave this place so regularly. 

I'm not going to leave (my ego's not that big), but I certainly won't be investing time like that again.  Result!

V

V,

You have learnt a leasson on ciu, that not everything to do will be taken in by some people, others will take the P, others will help add to it.
There are more people on here that do not post, these are the people that would read your post with interest, I read it and found it interesting.

My Ego is massive and i'm still here

I invest my time a lot on here helping others, I would not let a minority put you off, from what I read your better than that, dust down and carry on helping others it is a thankless task most of the time but some of us like to do it.

Enjoy your sunday.

Ian

[Paul Coleman]

I spent a lot of time researching and creating a post on cold selling regulations and their effect on us.  I spent half an hour reading the law and translating it, then posted.  The thread then descended into farce as people basically told the original poster and me that we didn't know what we were talking about, and that they had "expert" friends who had read the thread sometime between midnight and 9am (what a Saturday night that must have been!) and knew we were wrong.

I'm pretty new here.  I gained a lot of good information from this forum and I thought I could add to it.  I also thought I could escape the "shoot the messenger" approach of many of the people on here.  Obviously not.  It's no wonder people leave this place so regularly. 

I'm not going to leave (my ego's not that big), but I certainly won't be investing time like that again.  Result!

V

I decided to lock the thread in the end.  I hope it didn't prevent anyone posting who wanted to provide decent input rather than just focus on making personal digs.  I've taken several breaks from this forum and deleted accounts.  These days - in line with the new forum rules - I prefer to use my real name.  I won't be deleting my account but I will probably take more breaks now that I am needing to focus more on my work.
Although I would agee that it is unlikely, my post may have helped someone to stay within the law on doorstep selling.
I, for one, appreciated your post.  I also appreciated the posts of people who didn't like what I wrote.  However, I was only a messenger and felt that if someone had a grievance about the law, it should have been directed at the legislators rather than having a personal, childish dig.

[Harry Boldwick]

Paul, you should of kept your thread going.  As i said the law is a mind field and a grey area in some cases and for someone to spend 1/2 an hour reading up on law then to slate someone reading the post in 12 hours who has a partner who has spent years studying this sort of law cannot be put down.

Dave made a great point in your thread, and gives talk for a great debate, and should not be taken personally.  We all cant know everything about anything, buy as a group, we share a wide area knowledge. 

This can only be a good thing just to see how people see things, and then to see how others see it who maybe in a better position to do so. 

Paul, it is without doubt a good post to have put out, even if it is to battle it out.  But as a debate only.  We need to be more thick skinned.

Dave - Like your cool head approach.  Keep it up.

[Harry Boldwick]

Perfect Windows.

Oh dear, looks like you are the one that takes it personally.  Try reading it properly.

It is my partner that is in the law game, and was with me when I picked up the thread.  And as I have done door knocking before I know how it works. 

Take a chill pill, relax and enjoy the debate.  No point knocking others people down

[T J Stevens]

If as C & B said this is the thread(below)

I imagine that most people aren't aware of this but there is a particular regulation that applies to jobs of £35 or more.  It applies even if the customer contacts you.

Jobs of £35 or more are subject, by law, to a 7 day cooling off period.  This means that if you quote £35 or more for a job and do the job within 7 days of striking the deal, the customer can legally refuse to pay just by saying that they have changed their mind and didn't want it done after all.  This has applied since 1/10/2008.
Also, this info has to be supplied in writing even if the job has no written contract.

That's informative, that's the sort of thing you would expect on a forum for w/cleaners... It makes you think!
It was also helpful, I never read the whole thread, but I did like David Morris @ St Ives comment (my here's been around and still here, thick skinned or what... well done!)
Thanks for the info V

[prestige cleaners]

this is rediculous, do you really think the government would put into law the option for people to refuse to pay for services recieved for no reason, as long as they are within a 7 day cooling off period?

example, i clean a building in 6 days and charge £5,000. the person decides no i dont want to pay, im cancelling the contract.

i can go to court and start a civil action against that person! that is the law!

now im not saying someone cant cancel your services, but they have to pay for services recieved.

speak to your solicitor if your confused.

and another thing, if it was true, why would you tell your customers they have a legal right to refuse to pay if they dont want to? im sorry if youve wasted hours of your time researching this subject but, if this was true the whole economy would collapse as people wouldnt pay for anything!

[The Jester of Wibbly]

hehe Well said Mogsy

I just got back form a from a trip to town this morning.  Decided to get a taxi home.  Taxi man said "£35 please" I said "I want to cancel our agreement, so no money for you, but thanks for the free ride.", he said "ok then, thats the law, see ya, have a nice day"

[Paul Coleman]

I can't see what the big deal is really.  If someone wants to run their business without complying with certain legislation then fine - go for it.
I can see why  Mr Willis from a few weeks ago got peed off now though and deleted his account.
I sometimes read complaints that nothing new ever gets put on here.  Then  something new (to most people presumably) does get put on here and look what happens.
If someone on here dislikes the legislation, write to your MP.  It's what they're paid for.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

I think people are just getting there point across Paul.   Try not to get to hung up on it.  We all have our own ideas, and I for one like to see what others think of subjects, and then respect them for it.

[AuRavelling79]

Speaking of regulations, always remember Rule 62!

But 42 is the real daddy of all of life's rules.

[Paul Coleman]

Speaking of regulations, always remember Rule 62!

OK Tosh.  Out with it.  What's rule 62?  

[Tom White]

Paul, you should know this one!   

Rule 62:  Don't take yourself too seriously!

[AuRavelling79]

And the meaning of life is 42.

[Paul Coleman]

Paul, you should know this one!   

Rule 62:  Don't take yourself too seriously!

Yeah.  Too true mate.
I needed reminding of that one I think.  

[Paul Coleman]

And the meaning of life is 42.

It sounds like we may have read some of the same books Malc 

[AuRavelling79]

And the meaning of life is 42.

It sounds like we may have read some of the same books Malc 

Yes but at least you didn't have to sit through Freddy's Grand Nightmare (err ... "Revelation and it's Grand anti-anti-anti-typical modern meaning" three and a half times every Tuesday evening!  )

[AuRavelling79]

>Perfect Windows

Take a step back, friend while you may feel you are "casting pearls before swine" to quote the good book  there are some of us here who appreciate your posts.

[roundbuilder]

my god perfect windows dont you go on and on and on. Oh and on.

[The Jester of Wibbly]

Hmmm this is getting daft PW!

Are you an expert in the subject? I know I am not. 

Would be good to have this looked into properly see where we stand without jumping to conclusions.  But interesting reading anyway.

Thats it from me on this subject, happy days!