[AuRavelling79]

like I said not knocking but if there where no wfp every one would be using trad end of and people slag it off as if it were dinosaur the fact is its tools of our trade and they will never go away

  be careful window cleaners dont start getting called window sweepers 

The problem is Terry you're the fastest trad man and proud of it - it takes amazing skill to get to your level. Great but follow my analogy.

It's like running a steam locomotive - it takes great skill to get the best from a steam locomotive and when that skill is reached you can get good performances and run expresses at 60 mph averages on high days and holidays.

But the diesel and electric locos start at the push of a button, will run at 125/175 mph all day long and commercially have eclipsed steam.

You still get steam in it's place - skilfully driven, shone and burnished and looking fantastic - but it's now a tourist attraction or fills a niche market.

Of course trad has it's uses but on outside work commercially (not to mention health and safety) not to have and use wfp where you can makes little sense.

[paul rulton]

u got ur opions n ive got mine guess we should leave it there m8, dont u

[AuRavelling79]

u got ur opions n ive got mine guess we should leave it there m8, dont u

If that's not addressed to me then my apologies - if it is:-

I will continue to try to tell fellow window cleaners on here that using wfp will transform their business and if used properly then their customers will have an excellent job done and recommend them.

If this reduces maiming and death from falls as well then that's a good result too.

Like you I was trad and still do it for insides and occasional situations but these now make up less than 5% of my work.

I have a dozen fellow jw's that I know pretty well who window clean - nine of them are now wfp and three aren't.

Seven of the nine (star trek anyone? ) earn full time income from p/t work which suits their lifestyle.
Two of the nine have employees and do not feel it morally right to force employees up ladders when there is an alternative.

The three that aren't wfp work from old cars, tell me that they don't want to be running up and down ladders in their fifties but don't want to go to wfp because their customers wouldn't like it.

It is no skin off my nose if they don't but as they are pretty pleasant guys I would like them to reap the benefits of wfp. In fact one of them is doing no window cleaning at all as he fell from his ladder two months ago and he is still dithering about what to do when he is able to walk properly again.  :

You can lead a horse to water ...

[StanA]

you lot crack me up trad will never be dead try taking a wfp inside some ones home the fact is anyone can use a wfp a call themselfs a window cleaner hardly skill is it a broom on a pole that squirts water not knocking it but you dont need an o level : where as you could not give a squeegee to any one from newby a go a commercial job,a wfp you can no skill needed,a broom in the air ;DLOL

LOL.  Bet you'd soon moan if someone tried WFP on the fastest window cleaner contest at Windex    .

[StanA]

All you wfp will becme fat lazy -------s going at a snail pace ,not like trade up and down keping you fit,and carrying a ladder all day,you will all turn into Super Slob.

What do you mean by "WILL turn into super slob".
I'm ahead of you Bumper 

[paul rulton]

  no gold not u m8 it was gettin a bit silly between me n gary999
but we is cool now dont worry about it gold i didnt even read the thead
its all good m8 happy days

[Terry_Burrows]

  I think what we all must remember is that all tools of the trade wfp or not are our trade simples

[petemg]

hi ya all as a trad man for the past 25 yrs there is work out there that no way you could do with a wfp,posibly with a troley system but then you would have to keep refilling it , no way would you get a truck near enough to make it viable, trad is  favourit,getting pipes wrapped around rose bushes and dragged through dog poop is not for me.........petemg

[barry mallett]

the amount of people not connected to window cleaning i come across while working , builders ,decorators , gardeners etc . they always stop and ask about the wfp and usually end up saying its a doddle or that saves going up and down ladders all day thats made the job a lot easier for you . and most of them end up saying something like youve still got idiots with ladders when you can clean that easy . always makes me smile  

[Terry_Burrows]

  It will always be a mixed bag of opinions    its what works for you and your contracts simples the answer is simply both 

[Ian Mason]

I am going to start off trad, & see how I get on, & may even transfer over to WFP myself at a later date.

I don`t really think it`s fair though when I read users of one method running down users of another, ie WFP`s running down trad.

[gary999]

no gold not u m8 it was gettin a bit silly between me n gary999
but we is cool now dont worry about it gold i didnt even read the thead
its all good m8 happy days

sorry if offended you was just passing an opinion as i didnt
agree with what your were saying.

but if it makes your day trad is best

[paul rulton]

no gold not u m8 it was gettin a bit silly between me n gary999
but we is cool now dont worry about it gold i didnt even read the thead
its all good m8 happy days

sorry if offended you was just passing an opinion as i didnt
agree with what your were saying.

but if it makes your day trad is best

LOL  glad we r ok

[Terry_Burrows]

  you know whats so funny over the years people have said window cleaners are a breed ::)like of the same and in a funny way they are right whats funny is that any one gets our backs up its like yer you want a peace of me or what
or is it that has changed and I am going back to far I would like to think so a pro like wc is or has come along  you still hear of the odd thing though :)you have to remember guys there is nothing your going to tell me new : with the greatest respect to all on this forum :-*I really am interestested to know 

[dazmond]

i want to transform my business and i believe some of you wfp guys!16 yrs trad and im ready to get off the ladders for 80-90% of my round.

wfp is the way forward for me with a bit of trad thrown in on downstairs windows in very cold weather/bungalows and windows that arent suitable just for old times sake!!

onward and upward!!

regards

dazmond

[cat9921]

WOW this really has go of topic  remeber how it started about some one selling WFP to there custamers

OK this is my thoughts

First this trad VS WFP can never be addressed
thats because it depends on what you think is better, if you ask what saves the most water then trad will win, if you ask what way is the cheapest and easiest to replace equipment then trad will win, If you ask which way can clean above conservatories and roofs when its to dangerous to work on then WFP will win and so..

It has been said horses for courses both are excellent tools....

But I do understand why people try to push WFP and when I hear things like there is not much trad threats or why does wintex concentrate on WFP more than trad,


Thats because WFP is definitly the future of window cleaning ,,, don't get me wrong trad will live side by side with it and all WFP operaters use trad

But if you have not yet got a WFP system then listen to Gold he is right, A WFP system will complete any window cleaners setup


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