[cozy]

Daz, chip shops are full of steam and fat, could have something to do with that. So if a trad bloke stays trad, how is that a bad thing for WFP guys? That's what I was asking mate

[Sean Dyer]

i have a lot of commercial work that is one story that i wouldnt dream of using wfp on inc shops etc as it would be well to slow and use far too much water when all would need is half a bucket and a cloth and squegee

trad isnt horse and cart its another method...

however wfp is safer in some situations and/or faster so use both when necessary but you might not find it is loads quicker daz, just safer

if its faster then thats a bonus

i have an employee who cleans downstairs and i do upstairs and the only way we are going to make more money with wfp is the fact that he will be doing a house as i will rather than up/down, speed wise i doubt it very much!

plus its safer and less tiring (hopefuly) for me...

i have been meaning to change for ages but kept putting it off as im growing the business still my energies have been elsewhere i suppose and i know the quickest way for me will be a van mount but that is gonna cost a few quid and need to save it up as i cant get into debt as ive already done that for rounds, and been moving house alot recently but hopefully asap i will have a van mount instead of the backpack!

Yuo getting a van daz??

[BORBRYCE]

You know the very worst thing about wfp is the mess. It's messy, looks messy, unfinished, job not completed and this from a guy that uses it daily,water dripping everywhere and glass looking drookit.
I do most of my domestic work traditional on the ground floor stuff and wfp for everything else. Love doing the ground floor stuff, looks braw, finished, shiny, dry and complete, professional job even.
I often think that if I were not a window cleaner but a custy, then I would be a wee bit peeved off at the job I left.
Wont be giving the pole up any time soon though, sod them pesky custies.

[cozy]

Yeah Sean, I know what you are saying, but I womder why some WFP guys seem to want trad blokes to change. I'm in no doubt of the benefits of WFP. But why do some try to push trad blokes over to it?

[Steve Weatherley]

My only concern is how long before small domestic systems are available at a cheap enough price for home owners> lets face it the water production can be done with resin alone especially in areas of soft water. Just so you know I use wfp almost all the time

[euan78]

it seems very much each to their own on this (im trad but tried wfp, once , about 10 yr ago when it started ,didnt like it) lets stop slaggin each other off and get on with the job in hand. if it works for u happy days if no get the ladders out like me
 

hey where you based dazthegar im in stirling cmon the gers on course for the treble 

[tomy jackson]

windys can not defiy gravety but WFP dus  & thats why im water fed

[Adam Boss]

Some sensible posts now, I am mainly commercial and clean for the local council, I use both methods trad and WFP and find it works well. I find guys that slag off trad can't use the trad gear properly and others have just come into the business using WFP from the off and that's fine, but don't slag off something you have never used or don't know how to use.
Seen this many times on here and I have been on cleanitup for a long time now and nothing seems to change. Everyone has a choice to work the way they want to and every job is different. LETS ALL GET ON GUYS!! and stop making stupid comments. Regards

[Terry_Burrows]

you lot crack me up trad will never be dead try taking a wfp inside some ones home the fact is anyone can use a wfp a call themselfs a window cleaner hardly skill is it a broom on a pole that squirts water not knocking it but you dont need an o level : where as you could not give a squeegee to any one from newby a go a commercial job,a wfp you can no skill needed,a broom in the air ;DLOL

[paul rulton]

you lot crack me up trad will never be dead try taking a wfp inside some ones home the fact is anyone can use a wfp a call themselfs a window cleaner hardly skill is it a broom on a pole that squirts water not knocking it but you dont need an o level : where as you could not give a squeegee to any one from newby a go a commercial job,a wfp you can no skill needed,a broom in the air ;DLOL

well said terry im now wfp but its just not the same 4me any more was trad 4 abou20years n loved it the job was more enjoyable doin trad & not as easy as people thought
now any1 can do wfp if they buy the kit

[Terry_Burrows]

  like I said not knocking but if there where no wfp every one would be using trad end of and people slag it off as if it were dinosaur the fact is its tools of our trade and they will never go away

  be careful window cleaners dont start getting called window sweepers 

[gary999]

you lot crack me up trad will never be dead try taking a wfp inside some ones home the fact is anyone can use a wfp a call themselfs a window cleaner hardly skill is it a broom on a pole that squirts water not knocking it but you dont need an o level : where as you could not give a squeegee to any one from newby a go a commercial job,a wfp you can no skill needed,a broom in the air ;DLOL

not exactly true about wfp is it really : or you wouldnt have as many posts
on method of use on here all the time.it takes time to be able to use the
system properly like any method or job.

after cleaning many thousands of windows wfp i can instinctively now
tell which windows will give trouble and which wont i never walk
away from any job hoping it will be good i always know it will be plus
dealing with the many problems that come with maintaining your system
correctly and dealing with the winter,i lost only two days due to weather

this is all a skill in its self and is due to the time served and the effort
you put into the job.

no direspect to trad methods because i use them for inside cleaning
my self but my 12 yr old can squeegee he may not use any speed
techniques but he can clean the glass to a good standard even if
he only uses straight lines.

what im saying really is anybody can clean a window to a good
standard within a few hours if only using a basic method.takes
a lot more so called skill and judgement to get it right with
wfp

[gary999]

Yeah Sean, I know what you are saying, but I womder why some WFP guys seem to want trad blokes to change. I'm in no doubt of the benefits of WFP. But why do some try to push trad blokes over to it?

maybe its to justify to themselves the many thousands some have
spent on systems same as many on here push over priced poles

maybe its self justification

[paul rulton]

what im saying really is anybody can clean a window to a good
standard within a few hours if only using a basic method.takes
a lot more so called skill and judgement to get it right with
wfp

sorry gary999, i think ur way off : there is a hell of alot more 2trad than wfp.
just a quick example.... trad on plain glass, leaded & georgen all diff ways of cleaning.
wfp is the same on all types. any1 can wfp. the only thing that i dont know wiv wfp
is at high up windys, thats gotta b hard

[bumper]

All you wfp will becme fat lazy -------s going at a snail pace ,not like trade up and down keping you fit,and carrying a ladder all day,you will all turn into Super Slob.

[paul rulton]

i already have bumper : so it 2 late 4me is it lunch time yet lol

[prestige cleaners]

i think were going a bit off topic now, i think the real issue isnt blade vs pole, its ladders vs pole. as theres nothing wrong with using blades, as someone said in town centres or certain shops, its a nightmare to cart your wfp stuff around,..

im sure most wfp's like myself have learned how to use a blade, even basically to do insides.

[gary999]

what im saying really is anybody can clean a window to a good
standard within a few hours if only using a basic method.takes
a lot more so called skill and judgement to get it right with
wfp

sorry gary999, i think ur way off : there is a hell of alot more 2trad than wfp.
just a quick example.... trad on plain glass, leaded & georgen all diff ways of cleaning.
wfp is the same on all types. any1 can wfp. the only thing that i dont know wiv wfp
is at high up windys, thats gotta b hard

sorry wrong again its the same with wfp, different types of glass and frames
mean just as much with wfp and if you dont use the method correctly
you will do a poor job.

[Sir Squeaky]

They're both crap. Get yourself a nice bucket of dirty water and a chamois.

Oh, and don't forget a nice pair of dungarees, and to dangle a roll-up from your bottom lip.

[Sean Dyer]

you lot crack me up trad will never be dead try taking a wfp inside some ones home the fact is anyone can use a wfp a call themselfs a window cleaner hardly skill is it a broom on a pole that squirts water not knocking it but you dont need an o level : where as you could not give a squeegee to any one from newby a go a commercial job,a wfp you can no skill needed,a broom in the air ;DLOL

i know what youre saying . but again im sure it takes just as long to get used to cleaning and doing a good job at 60 foot with a pole as it does cleaning efficiently with a squegee , both methods and more have to be something that all decent window cleaners are competent with

its where you use it that matters - ie the right tool for the right job
with all the time devoted to this subject in the past im surprised at some of the comments from the cleaners who i would of thought were more knowledgeable ??