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MNWC

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Do you employ tele sales ??
« on: March 02, 2010, 04:17:47 pm »
Heres the thing

Today i was cleaning a customers house when she suddenly came to the window....

Anyway to cut along story short she was made redundant last week from a big telesales company and she suggested that i employ her on a commission basis only, commercial only.

So my question is, if you employ telesales staff how much do you pay them commission.

Would it be a recurring % each month for new work ??

eg  She got me £100 of extra work i gave her £10 per month until the contract ran out 

Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2010, 05:03:30 pm »
I doubt she would get you £100 pounds of work. One town near me has about 6000 homes and the commercials in that area is about 250. As you would have guessed in  any area commercials are usually quite well covered as they wont go long without a window cleaner, and if they haven't go one, 99% of the time you will get the job.

But you have to get in there at the right time. Catch them when some guy has retired or left them in the lurch. Best idea for commy's in my opinion is to walk the high street and look for dirty windows.

On residential, I would say market all because clean windows might mean they are doing them thereself and hate doing it, but is shops, they might just get the staff to do it which wont be a problem for them. The staff will hate though  :D

richywilts

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2010, 05:03:57 pm »
maybe just give her an hourly rate for now see how she does then begin to offer bonuses when shes up to the job
Richard Wiltshire
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williamx

Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2010, 05:06:54 pm »
It would depend on what commercial work she got you, for instance she gets you a one off, I would then pay a percentage of 25%, if she also got you regular work then I would pay 25% for the next 4 cleans.

MNWC

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2010, 06:10:59 pm »
She doesnt want an hourly rate,just commision only  :o :o

I was wandering what sort of commision as a percentege ?

Richy L

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HIGH LEVEL WINDOW CLEANERS (scrimmy)

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2010, 06:36:29 pm »
pay her 10% of the recurring work fee......stipulate that you need to keep a hold of the work for that year and you will pay her the 10% per month etc....if you pay her the one full months value at the start then you do the work then the custie cancels, well you do the math.

10%

but have a wad of disclaimers for her to sign 1st ;)

niceandclean

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2010, 07:07:03 pm »
I pay £30.00 per hour and £30.00 per appointment gained. On average i receive around 3-4 appointments for 4 hours canvassing. I have them book the appointments for me, normally for a monday or friday.

MNWC

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2010, 08:30:14 pm »
they book the apps and you go and price it ?

Im thinking about the client signing a 12 month contract

niceandclean

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2010, 08:59:44 pm »
Yeah.
I normally do a 2 year contract with the bigger ones!

bravo20

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2010, 09:44:13 pm »
Why not ask her how much she thinks is fair?

JamesTurnbull

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2010, 10:00:10 pm »
Why not ask her how much she thinks is fair?

sound right to do that.

Phild

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Re: Do you employ tele sales ??
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2010, 09:38:52 am »
You say she worked for a big telesales company? I would check out whether it was in a call centre and she was answering inbound calls or, if she was doing outbound calls whether it was 'cold' calling or to a database of current customers where she was trying to upsell them e.g. get a better mobile or move them onto a larger tariff.

Here on Tyneside there are hundreds of people calling themselves tele-sales people but 90% of them are working in call centres, promoting a specific product for a few months working to a fixed, pre-determined script. That's not what you want!

Also remember the database of calls is extremely valuable. 95% of the people called will fob her off and want a callback at a date in the future. That is lucrative info and you need to clarify from day one that it's your info - which is a bit difficult if you are only paying her on actual sales made.

What I would advise is that you use her on a self-employed basis (therefore you must let her choose the hours she works to satisfy HMRC rules) working a fixed number of hours (check via telephone log) and pay her a realistic hourly rate (telesales are normally on around £14k but PAYE which would equate to about £8 / hour s/e ) then a fixed amount per appointment which generates a quote My reasoning for paying by the quote is that she cannot effect whether you win the job. Her measurable job is to get you good appointments not sell them.

I would forget paying ongoing percentages and stuff like that as it ends up too complicated and prone to arguments. Only you can determine the amount per appointment but if you think along the lines (and you will be able to refine the following once you have some experience under your belt) of 1) How much you would be willing to pay if you were buying the work 2) how many jobs you actually win per quote. So, for example, if you win one in four jobs and you have paid her a bonus of £10 per appointment each job you win will have cost you £40 quid plus £8 x however many hours it takes her to make 4 appointments. My quesstimate would be 20 hours. So each job you win would cost you £200. Only you would know if this stacks up financially for you but say she gets an appointment that wins you a £100 a month job. That's £1200 p.a and at an estimated gross profit of say 50%, it will make you £600 quid over the year minus her cost of £200 = £400 but of course in year two you don't have to pay her again.

There's lots of ifs and buts in my suggestions and you will have to substitute your own figures as only you know what the value of the work in your area is like and how good you are at converting enquiries into jobs but my suggestions are based on experience.

If she is a proper outbound cold caller and you don't use her, let me know ;-)