[daz1977]

also get it in the contract from the start what sick pay they are entitled to, as  a lot dont then get screwed


my sis in law use her full entitlment of sick days every year, just takes time off in the hols, when she goes back in and they ask her about she then goes on the sick with stress, so gets more time off, i have know her for years and i dont think i have ever seen her work a kids holidays yet,

[williamx]

I have looked at employing staff, even to the point of spending £600 with a HR company who have drafted me all the contracts and paperwork I will need.

I have compleated a business plan and have worked out that the total cost of employing is

38% of all domestic work they do and 30% of commercial work.

Their minimum hourly rate would be £10 rising to £15 with bonuses.

[gerard mcmanus]

I just try to keep it simply and pay them a salery as I dont think an employee will stick with you if you turn around a give them less one month because you had allot of bad weather and couldnt get round all the work.

Yes, NI contributions are a pain but its a must. Also yes its 28 days but that depends on the days and hours you work. I think the 28 days is for 5 days.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Employment/Employees/Timeoffandholidays/DG_10034642

[Sapphire Window Cleaning]

what if the emplyer doesn't have a pension scheme?

plus lets face it, labour wont be in power in 2012, if you go by the polls.

It a European Directive, but unlike the WHAD, this one has a power and punch behind it.

Also all politial parties have said that all of the workforce will have to have a private pension in place soon because the country cannot afford it anymore.

there has been an opt out for 12-13 years ago with regards to pensions.
I have opted out of the state pension, and the percentage of my NI which would of gone towards the state pension is now going to a private pension.



Matt

[gerard mcmanus]

Who is worried about pensions, when we can sell our work for 10x the monthly value. I might just start round building and sell the work on ebay, for my retirement fund 

[williamx]

what if the emplyer doesn't have a pension scheme?

plus lets face it, labour wont be in power in 2012, if you go by the polls.

It a European Directive, but unlike the WHAD, this one has a power and punch behind it.

Also all politial parties have said that all of the workforce will have to have a private pension in place soon because the country cannot afford it anymore.

there has been an opt out for 12-13 years ago with regards to pensions.
I have opted out of the state pension, and the percentage of my NI which would of gone towards the state pension is now going to a private pension.



Matt

When the nanny state was set up over 60 years ago, it was mean't that all of us would be looked after from the cradle to the grave.

Well like any fairy story you come down to earth with a crash when you find that the fox is now using a bulldozer to knock the house down.

Well now they have added their pennies together and they have found that in 20 years time, there will not be a penny left, and the pension fund will be bankrupt.

So their next "baldrick, I have a plan" is that every worker in the UK has to have a private pension plan in place, and this new idea starts with the 2012 pension plan.

This plan has support across all the political partys, so it does not matter who is elected, come 5 April 2012, employers and employees will find that they have 1 more tax to pay.

Power to the People

[daz1977]

whats the chance that a national pension will be means tested and ur private pension will just be too much to get any thing of the gov

[Dean Taberner]

that totally up to you.

But with most of the employment laws in the employees favour, maybe I should work for you for a few weeks then take you to a tribunal and sue you for thousands, after I have made you bankrupt I can then move onto another employer who does not want to comply with the law.

I will soon be rich and I won't need to work at all, my pension will be full with all the backdated payments from my previous employers who are all signing on now.

What im getting at is the whole idea of employing is to make you business more profit and supposedly make you life easier,

The moment this doesnt happen then I will no longer employ,

If its not worth doing then I wont do it.

Thats why the new law wont affect me.

 

Dean

[williamx]

Thats why I have changed my mind and I won't be employing, too much hassle and stress

[paul rulton]

gotta admitt..... it does seem like a lot of hassell. y would u want it : i like my life 2b simples

[Dean Taberner]

Oh and my lads will opt out too

Its in their best interests

Dean

ps,

Do they have to pay anything into the "fund" themselves? ie. a % of their wage weekly/monthly?

Also what about my pension?

[Phild]

Your right about the holidays Ronnie. My apologies. The sad thing is when you read through the thread how small businesses are put off taking employees on and who (besides the government) is the group that employs the most people? That's right, small businesses.

God I am (have?) turned into my grumpy Old Dad ;-)

[williamx]

Oh and my lads will opt out too

Its in their best interests

Dean

ps,

Do they have to pay anything into the "fund" themselves? ie. a % of their wage weekly/monthly?

Also what about my pension?

I go to a networking meeting every 2 weeks and one of the guys whos turns up is into pensions, that how I know about this, but from what he has said, there are no opt outs, if you employ then you have to pay and yes the employee also has to pay as well.

[Dean Taberner]

Oh and my lads will opt out too

Its in their best interests

Dean

ps,

Do they have to pay anything into the "fund" themselves? ie. a % of their wage weekly/monthly?

Also what about my pension?

I go to a networking meeting every 2 weeks and one of the guys whos turns up is into pensions, that how I know about this, but from what he has said, there are no opt outs, if you employ then you have to pay and yes the employee also has to pay as well.

On a serious note,

They wont be happy about that,

Rules are rules though,

It wont affect them though anyway as ive said before,

Whats the meeting that you go to?

[williamx]

I'm a member of the BoB clubs, they meet every 2 weeks over breakfast and they network for each other.

I normally get a few thousands worth of business every year

[Dean Taberner]

How much does it cost you?

Is there a website?

Sounds interesting.

[williamx]

http://www.bobclubs.com/

there is a yearly membership fee plus the cost of the breakfast which is normally £10.

They only have 1 trade in each club as members so you wll be the only window cleaner at your club.

Unlike some other networking clubs, you are not pressured to supply refferals.

Also at the meetings you have a couple of minutes to say who you are and what you do and what you are looking for.

On this note you should be more to the point, instead of saying you want window cleaning work, narrow it down to I want introductions into such and such firms, or I want indrodctions into hotel work etc etc or I am looking at certains areas to move into and so on.

The more details you give on your wants the more refferals you will recieve, also by passing on refferals also helps with what you can get.

[Dean Taberner]

Cheers mate,

Ill take a look,

Dean

[geefree]

Been reading this thread with interest,

And i have always envisaged building until i am bursting at the seams, and i am nearly there,

Now, i am having second thoughts about employing, it sounds far two costly ...that very first step ...

like one step forward and 3 back.... i want to hear the success stories,

how to do it properly, how to deal with them in bad weather,.. how can a one man band pay an employee if it rains all week with no work... if the money is not coming in??

so in actual fact i would need a few grand in the bank just to cover them weeks....

so if that happens in the first few weeks,  then i would be well and truly stuffed....even if i had a massive round?

[williamx]

First of all you would need a good selection of domestic and commercial work, with commercial you can still work in the rain.

Next you have to look at your working week, try to make the round so that it can be cleaned by working 10 hours a day over a 4 day week, which is what you work in the winter.

So if you workers are rained off in these 4 days then they will have to work on the 3 other days instead.

Good staff is a must and good rates of pay with bonuses and working conditions will help, ideally you want a worker who is happy with working for someone rather than himself.