[Pureandclean]

Just wondering if one of the big boys could give us an idea of the total cost of employing a window cleaner over a year.
Including things like Holiday Pay, Nat Ins. Employers liability, etc.

I think this would help anyone considering employing in the near future.

[Pureandclean]

So is it going to be £15,000, £20,000, any idea's I haven't employed anyone for years, my guys are all self employed.
But keep getting requests for more and more commercial work, so thinking the time is coming for me to go back down the employing route.
It is not so much their salary, it is all the other costs involved.

Used to be a guy on the forums who was starting a window cleaning franchise, and he uploaded a spreadsheet of his costs, seem to have mislaid it.

Any ideas?

[Dean Taberner]

Hi Graeme,

Its depends on whether they are full time or part time and ofcourse how much you are going to pay them.

Employers liabilty isn't to expensive when you weigh up the danger of not having it,

The monthly employers paye contributions can be a pain in the backside again depending on their wage,

And so can holiday pay,

But its all part and parcel of going down that route,

Hope that helps all though very brief,

Dean

[williamx]

also be aware that in 2011 or 2012 there is a new law coming into force where you have to pay something to you staff pension, even if they don't want a pension.

[Pureandclean]

Maybe I should employ myself, that way, at least I would have to put something away for my pension.

[Dean Taberner]

also be aware that in 2011 or 2012 there is a new law coming into force where you have to pay something to you staff pension, even if they don't want a pension.

There must be a way of opting out of this as it would put a load of small businesses at risk,

Only time will tell,

There's no way ill be doing it anyway.

Dean

[williamx]

also be aware that in 2011 or 2012 there is a new law coming into force where you have to pay something to you staff pension, even if they don't want a pension.

There must be a way of opting out of this as it would put a load of small businesses at risk,

Only time will tell,

There's no way ill be doing it anyway.





Dean

There is no get out clause with this new law

[Dean Taberner]

I've had a fair few clowns on my books iver the last few years,

Most of them didn't even deserve a wage nevermind a pension,

It won't happen purehydro I promise.

I'd go down graemes route first.

Dean

[Gleaming windows]

also be aware that in 2011 or 2012 there is a new law coming into force where you have to pay something to you staff pension, even if they don't want a pension.

If that is true its just more bloody interfering by the nanny Labour state yet again.

[williamx]

http://www.almarygreen.com/corporate/employee-benefits/automatic-enrolment-now-and-after-2012

Read and weep

[Dean Taberner]

It says employees can opt out.

Sorted then.

Mine will opt out ;-)

[williamx]

that totally up to you.

But with most of the employment laws in the employees favour, maybe I should work for you for a few weeks then take you to a tribunal and sue you for thousands, after I have made you bankrupt I can then move onto another employer who does not want to comply with the law.

I will soon be rich and I won't need to work at all, my pension will be full with all the backdated payments from my previous employers who are all signing on now.

[Gav Camm lammy 283]

It says employees can opt out.

Sorted then.

Mine will opt out ;-)

pmsl go on dean pay their pension
you tight sod

[paul rulton]

also be aware that in 2011 or 2012 there is a new law coming into force where you have to pay something to you staff pension, even if they don't want a pension.

sod that!!!

[gerard mcmanus]

what if the emplyer doesn't have a pension scheme?

plus lets face it, labour wont be in power in 2012, if you go by the polls.

[Phild]

Forget pensions for the moment as the legislation isn't sorted out yet and anyway it will just be like the national minimum wage, customers will pay for it thus contributing to the continued erosion of Britain's competetiveness and ensure that even more manufacturing moves to eastern Europe ....... which of course reduces the need for service industries like ours slowly but surely.

Forget making your staff go down the self-employed route as well. Didn't you realise there is one of the biggest crackdowns started against the self employed since they decided to try and stop the 'Lump' (self employed in the building trade for those too young)

If you look at the multi-million pound case against one of the large slimming clubs (weight watchers I think)  you can see that it is 'the little people' yet again who are going to be stumping up the cash to pay for a certain Mr Brown's follies.

Trying to answer the question specifically. You have to give your staff 25 days holidays. At the moment Bank Holidays can still count towards that (till stopped under European law) so essentially You are going to have to pay for four weeks holiday. This equates to 8% each week on the gross wages you pay your staff. In addition you have to pay employers national insurace tax on their earnings over approximately £97 p/w. This is currently 12.8% (the employee pays 11%) so in simple terms for every pound you pay your staff over £97 per week you should add on approximately 21%. Does that make you weep?

The best to watch out for is the weasel words ...."we are increasing employers NIC Tax by 1%" then it jumps to 13.8% for example. In my book that is a 7.8% increase!

Cynical?, who me? Phil D

[williamx]

what if the emplyer doesn't have a pension scheme?

plus lets face it, labour wont be in power in 2012, if you go by the polls.

It a European Directive, but unlike the WHAD, this one has a power and punch behind it.

Also all politial parties have said that all of the workforce will have to have a private pension in place soon because the country cannot afford it anymore.

[williamx]

http://www.ftadviser.com/FTAdviser/Pensions/News/article/20100112/afbbca04-ff81-11de-a148-00144f2af8e8/Final-rules-on-pension-reform-put-before-Parliament.jsp

[daz1977]

regarding self employed,  i am sure i read some where that if people are self employed but only get there work from one place,   ie wc working for you, then he is classed as employed,   because he has to prove he gts his work from different places,   that means he might have to work for two different wc  just to be self employed

[ronnie paton]

phild if you employee you need to be carful the min holidays is 28 days it went up from 24 1st april 2009