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fresh

  • Posts: 117
hot or cold
« on: January 09, 2010, 06:17:53 pm »
i know a cleaner who cleans with cold and says he wouldnt dare use hot i dont agree just wondered what you little lot think

paul moss

Re: hot or cold
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 06:27:09 pm »
As hot as you can get.

fresh

  • Posts: 117
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2010, 06:27:46 pm »
me 2 he wont have it tho

paul moss

Re: hot or cold
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2010, 06:33:15 pm »
Thats ok, just pick up his customers  :D

Does he use m power by any chance?

fresh

  • Posts: 117
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2010, 06:39:24 pm »
no he goes in with a prochem small thing presprays with champion then goes over with cold water , i said to him do u wash your hands in cold water he then went on to explain what he charges for a lounge 5o quid and hes never had a complaint except when he shrunk a wilton i said thats to do with not drying it prop he said no heat well i just let him crack on each to there own hey

Mike Halliday

  • Posts: 11578
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2010, 06:51:47 pm »
HERE ARE MY RANDOM THOUGHTS ON THE HOT/COLD DEBATE :D

I could clean a carpet with cold water and get it as clean as if I had used hot water but it would take a lot longer which is Ok if I've got lots of time and don't have another job to go to, but if you are busy and want to be doing 3-4 jobs a day then hot water will speed things up.

also if I only cleaned carpets that are not really dirty then cold water would be fine and to be truthful I rarely clean disgusting carpets but when I do I'm glad I have the option of hot water  

and having the option to use hot water is the most important thing, lots of the cold water brigade say they don't need hot water which is a bloody good thing because (coincidental) they don't have it just like the manufacturers who sell  machines without heat, they also (coincidently) say you don't need heat

I think the problem is people who say cold is as good as hot have never used HOT water only warm or at best very warm, if you can put touch the QC then its warm not hot ;) and it's when the water is really hot you see it at its most effective

 
Mike Halliday.  www.henryhalliday.co.uk

wayne zabel

  • Posts: 1082
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2010, 06:52:27 pm »
I was told by Derek Bolton on a Cleansmart training course not to waste my money by having a heater on a machine,he said you can clean perfectly well with cold water.




Steve Barnett (Carpet Care Plus)

  • Posts: 1834
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2010, 06:54:52 pm »
What a bloody awful day ......... more snow so next weeks work looks like going tits up again, I'm skint so I can't go down the pub even if I could get there without slipping and breaking something.

I've already had to read that a 100psi porty will clean just as well as a truckmount...... and now no doubt the cold water rinse brigade will come on and tell me that I don't need heat to clean a carpet effectively.

I'm going bloody stir crazy in this weather !!!  >:( ;D


Steve

paul moss

Re: hot or cold
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2010, 07:14:18 pm »
Any body who has done any sort of serious training with hygiene or bacteria will fully understand the reason why heat is used and needed in cleaning.

JandS

  • Posts: 4326
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2010, 07:16:09 pm »
Have a full breakfast tomorrow then rinse under cold tap and then rinse under hot tap.
Which breaks down the grease the most.
That's why I use hot.

John


Impossible done straight away, miracles can take a little longer.

HQCS (John Kastrian)

  • Posts: 272
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2010, 07:19:43 pm »
Hot water extraction aka steam cleaning  involves the use of hot water or it would have to be called cold water extraction.
If you told your customers you were going to clean their carpets with cold water you wouldn't be in business for very long.
No disrespect but your friend doesn't know what he is doing.
John

Re: hot or cold
« Reply #11 on: January 09, 2010, 07:23:37 pm »
Steve,

Calm down dear. It's all just a dream.

Cold clean's as well as hot? what a load of tosh.

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11382
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #12 on: January 09, 2010, 07:41:06 pm »
Derek uses a cfr machine (not the heated version)  image Alex Ferguson saying that he wanted to buy Steven Gerrard? he may like the player but he would never ever say that he liked his closest rivals best player!

Now Derek knows how to get the best cleaning out of his machine but he won't advocate heat as he doesn't use it.

Shaun

richie

  • Posts: 1179
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #13 on: January 09, 2010, 11:26:17 pm »
The first ever truckmount that i used was a Prochem 150.  The water on those machine is heated via a parafin heater system.  90% of the work we did was night clubs.  The machine used to SUPER heat the water which was ideal for cleaning the carpets in the night clubs however, on occasions we would run out of parafin & it was a nightmare trying to get the carpets clean to the same standard as the areas that we had cleaned with the hot water.  Even domestics you could tell the difference.  Hot water cleans better than cold regardless of what chemicals you use. 

Richie.

Shaun_Ashmore

  • Posts: 11382
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2010, 11:35:14 pm »
I think most cold water cleaners do a lot of pre spraying with hot water the cold water part only comes in at final rinse, the idea is to use the preparation to the max, vac the carpet until it looks as thought its had a smacked rs and then plenty of pre scrubbing the work is almost done before the rinse comes along.

Shaun

garyfindlay

  • Posts: 788
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #15 on: January 09, 2010, 11:49:26 pm »
Remember the carpet cleaners piechart. heat is a big part, well 1/4 of it  ;D

Stu.Clem

  • Posts: 209
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #16 on: January 09, 2010, 11:50:47 pm »
spot on Shaun! i did a cold cfr year with some jaw dropping results but since i got hot my earning potential has tripled!!!  serious no bull so there must be something that the heat is doing...... DOH!


Stu

neil 47

  • Posts: 1345
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2010, 12:14:18 am »
Taken from ask a scientist



Question -   Why do white cotton socks seem to
get cleaner in hot water than in cold water?
-----------------
Hi Camille!
White socks, eh? Usually white socks used with
tennis shoes get quite dirty.
When you wash them using common soap or detergent
cleaning at machine or by hand means to take off
the dirt from the fabric. Mostly detergents have
ingredients that are more soluble in hot water than in
cold one and that make them to work better.
Also the fabric itself in hot water gets more soft
the thread opens letting the dirt to get loose,
and the fabric gets cleaner.
All that happens with any kind of cloth not only
socks.

Mabel
(Dr. Mabel Rodrigues)
=====================================================
It is not an illusion, Camile.  They really do get cleaner.
Heat almost always makes cleaning more aggressive, in any setting.

I can think of three common behaviors that contribute to this:
1) increased reaction rates  - (kinetics)
           heat speeds up all reactions, even those as humble as
           water wetting it's way along the interface between some slime
 and the fiber of your clothing.
2) increased dissolving abilities - (due to entropy)
          even without soap, small amounts of some greases will dissolve
 in water.
          In hot water, the amount that will dissolve can be ten times higher.
3) melting -
         some greases are low-melting waxes, and being melted makes it easier
         for the soapy water to penetrate, detach, and surround them.
         Even things that are not quite melted at least get softer.

Jim Swenson





Neil 8)

IICRC

Doug Holloway

  • Posts: 3917
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2010, 10:05:17 am »
Hi Guys

Hot cleans better for lots of reasons, reduced surface tension, molecules of detergent move faster, therefore greater penetration, dirt is softened by higher temps, particularly fats, fibres are opened up allowing easier removal of dirt etc etc

I did quite a lot of work on rates of reaction when I was a chemist and the three most significant factors are heat, catalysts and pH.

Don't get too bogged down with pie charts , these un are scientific and just a pictorial way of displaying information, they are certainly not based on any accurate experimentation.

Cheers

Doug

nevil

  • Posts: 478
Re: hot or cold
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2010, 11:53:02 am »
Have a full breakfast tomorrow then rinse under cold tap and then rinse under hot tap.
Which breaks down the grease the most.
That's why I use hot.

John




That's a great idea, I'm starving. But why wait until tomorrow. :)