[JRDEasiReach]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

[rich fraser]

i did the complete oppopsite and went back to the ladders yesterday.after taking all my freezable parts in doors over night, did the outside of the first house then the inside. when i came back out the pole was frozen. was quite nice to be back on the ladders for once, hoprfully help shift a few of the christmas pounds! didnt have any touble on the ladders yesterday, jus need to keep your wits about you

[martinsadie]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders

[ptwt]

You have to earn a living so i have gone back to ladders have got some help in so im footed and safe on the ladders stopped useing the pole as i don't want to risk people slipping on ice caused by wfp.

[martinsadie]

i wouldnt like to be footed on solid ice ladder and man can both slide

[Ross G]

Have only been wfp for a couple of months, first day back and I done it all trad so it didn't really feel any different to what i've been used to

wfp v trad ?   i say long live window cleaning  

[cozy]

JRD, if you are happy being WFP, good for you. I'm trad, because I choose to work that way. I get the impression alot on CIU, that WFPers would rather everyone was WFP too. Wonder why. I don't use ladders now when there's snow on the ground, since last week, I either use a pole or do downstairs only. Got that idea from Matt B and someone else on here.

Been trad all the time, only ever slipped once, no broken bones, just shook me up and taught me to be carefull. Still don't understand though, why alot of WFP guys don't seem to like trad guys working with ladders. What do you think?

[JRDEasiReach]

cozy i was merely mentioning what i had heard and was NOT having a pop at trad guys, use trad aswell when i need to im just 99% WFP. 

[david watts]

im wfp and trad to be honest i would like to use wfp all time; but you
have to use what makes money.
i know one thing i havent been sacked off a job where i cleaned trad

[cozy]

I know you weren't mate, but do you see my point? Anyone can go WFP. Some choose not to. Hear about guys falling alot on here though, if you get my drift.

[Mike_G]

I've been on my ladder all week no problems and no slips if I feel it is in the slightest bit tricky I tell my customer that I will have to leave the odd window incase of a slip and they have all be fine. I have tried to use the wfp on a few but its frozen solid!

[Johnny B]

I'm trad and have no intention of ever changing over to wfp (my choice). I constantly risk assess my work, and have had no problems with my ladders slipping this winter. If there is a chance that the ladders are going to slide, I simply don't go up them.  

I have made mistakes in the past and the ladders have slid (not on ice though) so it has made me realise that it is better to take more time if necessary and be safe. I believe that ladders are safe if they are used properly and you have the correct ones for the job. It's us humans that are at fault when something goes wrong, not the ladders.

John.

[Mike_G]

On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!

[Murdie window cleaning]

I constantly risk assess my work, and have had no problems with my ladders slipping this winter. If there is a chance that the ladders are going to slide, I simply don't go up them.  


John.

This has to be the key piece of advice. I've not been out for 2 weeks now and I'm getting fed up and funds are running very low, but unless I'm 100% happy that I'm safe on the ladders then I'll not be risking it. Hopefully things will improve in the near future and we can all get back out working, but your own health and safety are the most important thing.

Even if I had a full van system with a heating system I'd still not be able to do most of my jobs. Because as soon as you come of the main roads your onto ice covered roads and I'd be buggered if I'm buying a plough and gritter as well  

[macmac]

On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!

You do realise you've just wrecked JRDEsiReach's whole year!!! He's probably crying his eyes out in his bedroom right now!!!! 

Apart from that, it can't possibly be true!!

[dd]

Any of the trad men had falls in this weather as yet and if they have, did they then decide enoughs enough and go for a WFP system, i heard today that two guys fell off ladders in the past 2 weeks and have broke several bones in the process and have lined up WFP systems and are binning the ladders. 

they are very stupid then,i havnt worked for nearly 3 weeks because it isnt save with ladders

Ever tried using ladder spikes Stan? Still have to be sensible though.

[1wayno]

as long as your not stupid on the ladders,your not gunna fall of em 

[Archer]

I have used ladders for over 20 years & ALWAYS will, thats what proper window cleaning is all about = when you can say youv'e used mops, scrims, leathers, pads, blades & the like,,,,,,

NOT just pushing a pole up and down windows.

However, most of my work is done using the poles, but i do appreciate window cleaners using ladders, as i think its a skill to be able to use ladders & clean windows properly.


Whatever suits you !

[Mike_G]

On the subject of broken bones I do know a guy who has been off work for nearly 3 months now when he fell and broke his arm while cleaning windows but he didn't fall off a ladder he was walking from window to window with his wfp ( looking up as you normally do) and failed to notice the new flowerpot somebody had put in their garden and over he went, the good news is the pole was ok!

You do realise you've just wrecked JRDEsiReach's whole year!!! He's probably crying his eyes out in his bedroom right now!!!! 

Apart from that, it can't possibly be true!!

Would I make things like that up? If I was making it up he would of broken all sorts of bones! Happily for him the guy is not self employed so is at least getting some money his boss however is maybe not so happy

[Frankybadboy]

I have used ladders for over 20 years & ALWAYS will, thats what proper window cleaning is all about = when you can say youv'e used mops, scrims, leathers, pads, blades & the like,,,,,,

NOT just pushing a pole up and down windows.

However, most of my work is done using the poles, but i do appreciate window cleaners using ladders, as i think its a skill to be able to use ladders & clean windows properly.


Whatever suits you !

here here well said.