[Rogue Trader]

i have just taken on a paye employee and im skint!! worse than that there have been 2 days this week with no work (1 being today) do any of you employers of paye staff know what my standing is re paying them on days that are snowed off etc?

[Window Washers]

i have just taken on a paye employee and im skint!! worse than that there have been 2 days this week with no work (1 being today) do any of you employers of paye staff know what my standing is re paying them on days that are snowed off etc?

I pay mine, what does your contract with them say ?

[Rogue Trader]

i dont have one he has only just started ......

[Window Washers]

i dont have one he has only just started ......

what did you say to him about when it rains etc ?

[Rogue Trader]

rain has never really been too much of an issue as, like you we work in light rain and targets are always met , i said if because of rain we are short of target then he will have to work the saturday.

[Window Washers]

rain has never really been too much of an issue as, like you we work in light rain and targets are always met , i said if because of rain we are short of target then he will have to work the saturday.

then work tomorrow maybe, it is warming up outside so will be going out to work in about an hour will trad all doors today as not to cause a hazard, and will be emptying tescos of all of there salt.

Warning if you live near me and need salt get there before I do 

[Phild]

Matt, I don't want to alarm you but you must get a contract sorted out straight away or you would automatically lose any Employment Tribunal case.

Personally if you haven't got them working on a percentage basis I would suggest an annualised hours contract. There's not enough space to cover it here so put the term into Google. It's the way most businesses deal with the 7 days culture that we all seem to want these days. (I'm old enough to remember when Sundays were the 7th day and you rested)

In it's simplest form you guarantee to pay someone their hours over the year but worked when you want them. As an example if you think of council gardeners there is only limited work they can do in the winter but in the summer there is stacks to do and the light to do it in. An annualised hours contract allows this flexibility.

We do something similair but with a variation. We give 16 hour per week contracts and guarantee those wages. If there is extra work the op gets paid pro-rata to a full time position. If there is no work they still get paid their 16 hours but it is very rare that there is ever no work so there is rarely "dead time" where you are paying wages and not actually working. The advantage to the op is that if they are working 16 hours they are eligible for a certain goverment benefits.

In the case of single people it sometimes means they are no better off than being on benefits but you will be suprised how it highlights the people who really want to work. After say 3 months of proving themselves start moving the 16 hours contract to 24 etc as an acknowledgement that they are a good worker.

Apologies if this sounds complicated but it does work. Best of luck.

[stevekennedy]

If the guy does not issue a contract within 3 months I understand that the employees come under the government's statutory employment contract which would be applied in any tribunal. It is fair to both parties and can be downloaded from Business Gateway.

Our guys work 40 hours per week. They work in all weathers. If conditions make work impossible, then we have the right to lay them off, however, this is very unusual and happened on only 1.5 days last year. The 0.5 day we paid them in full as a gesture of goodwill. For the other day, most of the guys took one of their holidays.

[mci services]

my lads on a 16 hour contract because of this very thing however hes worked a full week every week since he started, if its cold take precautions and plan, if it rains buy him waterproofs, if it snow so what its soft and fluffy, if its really bad then i have taken it on the chin and paid him but he delivered leaflets instead

[Rogue Trader]

thanks guys , i will get a contract sorted asap - good warning!! and im hoping the vans have thawed this morning (had an oil filled rad in them for last 16 hours) - if not my paye guy will be out leafletting/door knocking

[daz1977]

hi matt,   u need a contract, that startes he is either self employed or employed

PAYE is not self employment, if you take tax and ni off him, then he is employed, unless he has a cis card,  PAYE is for people whos wages vary, every job i have ever had as been PAYE, except when self employed, i had a cis card working for a builder,   he keeps tax and you have to sort out your own ni,  to make it easier on your self   put him on a contract, on a miminum of 16 hours   as you only have to pay him a miminum of 16 if theres no work all week, he works more he gets paid more