[glen parva]

i still use trad have no plans to go to wfp
but i still pick up large contracts ie bluiders cleans  schools pubs

one off my custys spoke to me about it  he would never have wfp
on school proptery the school goveners do not like it 

[Window Washers]

i still use trad have no plans to go to wfp
but i still pick up large contracts ie bluiders cleans  schools pubs

one off my custys spoke to me about it  he would never have wfp
on school proptery the school goveners do not like it 

They want to hope there isnt an accident or they will be up a creek without a paddle as would you be.

We do both.

[1wayno]

im trad atm,but gunna get wfp next year so i'll be doin abit of both,i cant see myself givin up trad all together,but who knows wat the future holds for little old me lol cant wait to get one tho

[dazmond]

glen youll prob change ur tune over time!esp if ur doin schools etc.WFP would be next to useless on builders cleans according to some guys.but big jobs u could clean them in half the time and safer.why wouldnt u?trad will slowly die out..................well maybe not!but limited to insides and 1st cleans!

[Ian_Giles]

Both for me as you cannot really NOT do trad, there are times when it is the only option - as in builders cleans or internal work -

I think it is potentially tougher to come into window cleaning via the WFP route without any trad experience as it is a skill all window cleaners need.


When I used to employ people (in the distant past!) it would take them a good 3 months on average to get the hang of trad window cleaning skills, especially the squeegee, and even when they did manage to clean a window without getting half a dozen scrims (no microfibre cloths back in the day  ) soaking wet, they were sooooo slow!

To begin with, on an average semi (say 12 windows) I would get 10 of them done by the time they had finished 2 downstairs windows...and even then I'd have to go back over them picking up their mistakes!!

WFP will certainly become the main method of cleaning windows for standard repeat cleans as time passes.

Ladders may not be illegal as such, but in the event of accidents at height, insurances companies will wriggle out of payouts by quoting health & safety regulations, and lets face it, if an accident DOES happen then it probably is because safe practice HASN'T been followed... And then the poor window cleaner will be in all sorts of do-do  If it's on a commercial property so will the owner of the company for allowing the work to be carried out off ladders in the first place!....everyone's a loser...except the insurance companies...they LOVE health & safety 


You wait, next thing you know someone will take a WFP user to court for a bit of compo because they got splashed with pure water and will claim for chemical burns because they've heard that the process of making pure water turns it into carbonic acid!!!!

Sigh....

Ian

[Window Washers]

Think we will be trad cleaning today for a while as wfp is frozon solid :

[jonnyald]

im sticking with trad .keep  it simple , keep me fit

[glen parva]

im sticking with trad .keep it simple , keep me fit

fair play
i have looked in to it and very expensive to set up and the running costs
and you dont need to do them as often so you lose work
imo and another wfp from myway says the same 

[Window Washers]

im sticking with trad .keep it simple , keep me fit

fair play
i have looked in to it and very expensive to set up and the running costs
and you dont need to do them as often so you lose work
imo and another wfp from myway says the same 

You are both right  stick with trad.

Can I ask is the wfp guy new by any chance

[dazmond]

im sticking with trad for now.but i have got plans to ADD WFP!it would be easy for me to stay as i am as im a good trad cleaner and use extension poles everyday.low overheads etc.but as ive been in this game 15 yrs now i do think WFP will be faster and easier on some of my work and itll be safer and im concerned about my knees as time goes on climbing ladders day in/day out!also i think i would canvass some of the bigger awkward properties near my other work that would be too dangerous off ladders hence put in a good price for 2 monthly!im 38 and ive still got time to hone my round and i think it would be foolish and narrow minded of me to ignore WFP!when i add wfp ill be a complete modern day window cleaner!!

[wizard]

To Glen ITs not expensive to go W F P its cost me less than 500 quid and i can up to 40 foot. It cost me more to go trad.With ladders etc and so on. But do think trad skills are good to have under your belt.

[glen parva]

im sticking with trad .keep it simple , keep me fit

fair play
i have looked in to it and very expensive to set up and the running costs
and you dont need to do them as often so you lose work
imo and another wfp from myway says the same  

You are both right stick with trad.

Can I ask is the wfp guy new by any chance

no hes not he has 6 vans on the road beem going years

[d.ward]

i think we should move with the times and make full use of technology so im wfp later next year too. just getting xmas out of the way then im off on my merry way. like you said daz there are properties like 3 storeys round mine i wouldnt dream of cleaning off a ladder. I can charge more for them and i dont think they wil take much longer than a 2 storey to clean. happy days

[dazmond]

i also think im limited in regards to work.if i pick up a few good larger properties at a good price that would pay for running costs.also maybe on some weeks id finish my work in 4-5 days instead of having to work saturday/or if weather bad u get behind when u could of done the work in 4 days the week before!

[Window Washers]

im sticking with trad .keep it simple , keep me fit

fair play
i have looked in to it and very expensive to set up and the running costs
and you dont need to do them as often so you lose work
imo and another wfp from myway says the same  

You are both right stick with trad.

Can I ask is the wfp guy new by any chance

no hes not he has 6 vans on the road beem going years

and hes got 6 wfp vans ?

[1wayno]

wfp are really good and doin 3 story work it obviously is a bonus to have one,and pickin up contracts,but i dont think i'll ever give up trad all together,sumtimes u got no choice to use trad,doin both ull do for me

[ian1972]

wfp only for me never touchin trad again if i quote a job and they want trad i walk away from it,i didnt invest in all the gear and addvertising to go backwards in the business,but each to there own

[1wayno]

works work tho init,i dint come into this buisness to turn down work,nowt wrong with a bit of graft on a ladder,money in ur pocket at the end of the day,and it builds ur buisness up,if u do both,then ur open to more people = more buisness,coz no matter how gud the wfp is,some people will still want they houses doin the trad way,i jus cudnt turn down work for that reason,but like u say each to there own

[Slash]

Yeah,I laugh to myself on here sometimes,people bragg about WFP especially newbies how  WFP is so much better than trad,they just jump into WFP cleaning and when there asked to do an inside job they don't know how
I am WFP and I do alot of trad too as I find WFP is not ideal on certain windows,like someone said it is good to do both,I even seen a WFP cleaner doing a shop front once,the window was about 6 x 4 feet,by the time he got his reel out and faffed about he would have done the window trad quicker but maybe he does'nt know how to do trad,like I say I use both and always will

[sgibsoncleaning]

wfp only for me never touchin trad again if i quote a job and they want trad i walk away from it,i didnt invest in all the gear and addvertising to go backwards in the business,but each to there own

so if a job came up with inside work as well you would walk away. rather than go backwards. 
trad tools is not a step backward it is another tool we have available to us.