[daz1977]

hi am after what people think off uk commercial cleaners,  (Dragons Den)

does any one think that they are good or bad, as they seem to be getting a lot of contracts and i feel that they might soon be taking over the world all part of duncans master plan lol

what i am trying to say is give it a year or so uk commercial cleaning, wil be all over the country, they will have taken all the chains up ie asdas, tescos, bookies etc, they will probably even take up new shopping complexs before they are even built, with duncan contacts, 

the worst thing is they can undercut every one to get the jobs,,  wouldnt surprise me if big high streets start to be come there area, and they drive out the little man

does any one agree or not agree

[D woods]

I wouldn't lose any sleep over them if I were you..

[JSMC]

it's already happening with loads of other cleaning companies up n down the country.

[daz1977]

it doesnt really bother me as i live in cornwall, just got me thinking the way one company tries to take over the good jobs, just wondered what other people thought thats all

[Martin ccs]

its all the big wigs that can cause the smaller and local business to go under, companies like these guys would just set up a meeting with the big wigs and promise them a better and cheaper service.

so then the small companies lose out and the bigger national companies would just stick an ad in the local paper and pay someone min wage and do a crap job with no experience. dont think it will hit the window cleaning side as hard as it will hit the contract cleaning side of things.

all down to these idiot big wigs not having a clue and just looking at a budget sheet and not the reality of things!

rant over 

[d.ward]

What about the care homes - Hospitals - Hotels etc are they tasking them too?

[daz1977]

prob duncan owed a load of care homes  like martin said its the bigwigs that make decisions, some mite say that it wont happen,  but say for instance, they get all the asda, tescos, hospitals, weatherspoons and schools etc in liverpool that is a hell of a lot of work to lose for some one

if you watch the dragons den update show, they are on about opening different offices around the country, i dont think duncan will stop with just a few offices  do you?

some people might just lose one weatherspoons, not a big deal, but say one company gets them for the whole of the north west, or london,  u never know u might end uo subcontracting to the same job on less than half of the money

[d.ward]

what i am trying to say is give it a year or so uk commercial cleaning, wil be all over the country, they will have taken all the chains up ie asdas, tescos, bookies etc, they will probably even take up new shopping complexs before they are even built, with duncan contacts, 

the worst thing is they can undercut every one to get the jobs,,  wouldnt surprise me if big high streets start to be come there area, and they drive out the little man

This is how business is. If the do a days work and charge £150 a store but have 200+ stores thats a hefty profit. If smaller companies stepped up and expanded to compete on these contracts they could be just as big as duncans company.
I admire duncan but hes tactics of undercutting is how business works.....

Same thing applies on residential work. Window cleaners are greedy gget undercut then complain. Im happy working in the north west charging £5 a house with frames inc when ive got my wfp. On my commercial contracts il be charging the lowest price im comfortable with and hopefully its competitive enough if duncan comes our way )

[Martin ccs]

alot of bigger places now only use vat reg companies now to - thats what im finding with hotels and such like.

not a prob for me but i know some of you guys are not up to that level.

i know you all drive past big places and think - yeah i could do that! then you get a big nice shiny price in your head but like alot of bigger places now its all down to regional cleaning companies and a crap budget.

better of knocking those houses!

[d.ward]

thats it though if you get a small profit but are capable of employing and getting those lets say 50 other hotels in that group cleaned its a massive profit.

Could you not volanteer for vat and get them that way?

[stfc]

i do agree,i lost currys last week becasue they said inital cleaning were going to do it becasue they have just got a contract with them,im just sticking to domestics as cant trust commercial as far as i can throw them

[Martin ccs]

i do agree,i lost currys last week becasue they said inital cleaning were going to do it becasue they have just got a contract with them,im just sticking to domestics as cant trust commercial as far as i can throw them

hi ya mate.

sure you have already thought of it but have you tried phoning intial cleaning? because half the time they dont have a wc or cleaner in the area and end up employing idiots from local paper/job centre with no experience.

might be worth giving them a bell? if currys were happy with your work then its worth a phone call.

[Sean Dyer]

theres big companies out there already mate ran by business men as big and bigger than duncan

i wouldnt panic

sure they will get some big chains etc and some will lose odd stoers to them but there is always plenty to go round

dont get discouraged just get knocking, phoning, posting and get your name out there!!

[daz1977]

d ward

i dont understand why wc are greedy, with pricing jobs so that u can make a living,  is that why u have priced jobs at 5 a house,  would you be happy if you lost ur custy to some one who was prepared to work 4.50 a house

i am not having a go at u, but i dont think that you are up and running yet, u will realise that 5 a house isnt worth it, and you will end up changing your prices or leaving as you wont make any money

i know becasue i have done it the first few house i priced starts at 6 a house now i charge a 1 a window, and it makes a hell of a difference, to your wages

you will join the dark side of pricing soon  lol

[South Coast Cleaning Services]

I wouldnt worry about it as they will sub it but once it gets cheap cleaners like us wont do it so they will be stuck with jobs not getting done, This forum probably has at least one cleaner in every town of the country,im very surprised the bigger companies from the forum haven't taken on bigger national contracts  if you got people like j.v.price, all clean, clear view, david morris, seer clean and many many more ive seen on here came up with a package and got a group together you could put in for jobs like this and they would get a much better service.

[Sean Dyer]

cant see it working who do you say is representing it to the client who gets paid, who does the invoiving

what if someone does a bad job etc etc
the whole point in going to a national contractor is for them to have one point of reference one price life is simple

it goes against it

know what you mean though, just not practical in reality

also some people wont wanna share !!

[d.ward]

d ward

i dont understand why wc are greedy, with pricing jobs so that u can make a living,  is that why u have priced jobs at 5 a house,  would you be happy if you lost ur custy to some one who was prepared to work 4.50 a house

i am not having a go at u, but i dont think that you are up and running yet, u will realise that 5 a house isnt worth it, and you will end up changing your prices or leaving as you wont make any money

i know becasue i have done it the first few house i priced starts at 6 a house now i charge a 1 a window, and it makes a hell of a difference, to your wages

you will join the dark side of pricing soon  lol

Im cleaning at the minute in the north west daz. I was just saying the w/c who over price leave themselves open to undercutters. When i price a job im still building but i want to retain that customer for a few years so i price to keep my business going and to builod my customer base. All respect daz but my w/c profit margin is around 70% of income which is massive in any business...so theres always room to negotiate your prices to stay competitive. If im on an estate i want the majority of it. When theres another w/c i want to be better.

Btw my canvassing is coming on now and i think ive found my feet with the confidence part of doorknocking

[daz1977]

glad to hear that about the door knocking, r u still knocking widnes

i didnt mean to have a go at you, it was just the way i read what you had written, i thought that you hadnt started yet  with you saying "when i get my wfp"

r u pricing low so that you can not be under cut, the only reason i ask is that the was a bloke in st helens called PCNW who use to undercut when ever he could, and he then tried selling his business on her for 10 x what it was worth, claiming he was too busy building ever building going (any one who has read his post will understand)  i just dont want you to go down the same route price to low then realise that your working all week for nothing

[Sean Dyer]

d ward

i dont understand why wc are greedy, with pricing jobs so that u can make a living,  is that why u have priced jobs at 5 a house,  would you be happy if you lost ur custy to some one who was prepared to work 4.50 a house

i am not having a go at u, but i dont think that you are up and running yet, u will realise that 5 a house isnt worth it, and you will end up changing your prices or leaving as you wont make any money

i know becasue i have done it the first few house i priced starts at 6 a house now i charge a 1 a window, and it makes a hell of a difference, to your wages

you will join the dark side of pricing soon  lol

Im cleaning at the minute in the north west daz. I was just saying the w/c who over price leave themselves open to undercutters. When i price a job im still building but i want to retain that customer for a few years so i price to keep my business going and to builod my customer base. All respect daz but my w/c profit margin is around 70% of income which is massive in any business...so theres always room to negotiate your prices to stay competitive. If im on an estate i want the majority of it. When theres another w/c i want to be better.

Btw my canvassing is coming on now and i think ive found my feet with the confidence part of doorknocking

never been undercut

dont think it happens that regular

most dissapear when they realize theyre erarning nothing and i certainly wouldnt go round quoting low in case one day one job gets taken from me

think of all the profit you  lose for something that probably will never happen

[daz1977]

i think that the people who undercut are newbies who dont realsie or epople desperate to get work,  i admit i have undersut by mistake, with out knowing the price or that they had a wc,  it happens when the custy ask for a price then says ok,  u think great  then find out that they had a wc and they went with you because you was £1 cheap