[cheryl new]

Why does each topic end with a slanging match?

I'm absolutely sick to death of it.

Certain individuals have brought this forum down and yet take high moral ground. 
Certain individuals claim God-like status which has been gained by their constant need to drivvel on about total cr*p, make inane comments and generally get everyones back up. 

Said individuals should look at  posts from the likes of John Bolton to see just what type of responses warrant the status.

A difference of opinion on Clean***pros ended with the remark that the discussion should rather take place on Cleanitup.  A sad reflection on what the overly opinionated have done to what was once a really good site.

If I need any advice from now on I'll be contacting people personally and no Ron, I won't be needing your contact details.

Cheryl

[paul@ctcs]

I'm in total agreement!!

Its a real shame that this forum has gone down hill, a few members have managed to ruin it for the rest of us

Paul

[Gavin Reardon]

Hi All

I feel strongly about this  as this forum up to only a few weeks ago was a great forum, but now it is becoming a joke 

Regards Gavin

[therapist]

Calm down, it's only a talking shop and much of what you regard as crap, may be someone defending a long held belief, while another's enthusiasm, or newly discovered product / device / market, might get them carried away, for a while.

Remember, some people have seen most of the ' new inovtions ' before, maybe in a different format, or even wearing a different name.

The problem, is often that a convert or dedicated user sometimes overenthuses, and another who has taken a completely different road feels the need to re-dress the balance.  It's normal realtime life

Because we are invisible and there is no tangebility we can only use words and in my case type them very slowly.

r m

[therapist]

Case to point was Nicks post last night when Ron was clearly delghted to have a clear explanation given to something and I suspect opened his eyes or mind a little bit.

Not that Ron needs anyone to speak for him

I don't believe the imaginary ' stirrers ' are as neg ative as you might think.

[Doug Holloway]

Cheryl,

I think it's called testosterone

Cheers,

Doug

[therapist]

With some, you are undoubtedly right, but I seem to be included  in this group, at least some of the time, which I find a bit frustrating.

Our brains all work slightly differently and we don't always apreciate, where the other person's views are coming from, so a difference of opinion, becomes an argument from which  we are more likely to get a negative rather than a positive outcome.

My personal ' angle ' is simply that, I've been around this industry since 1983 and believe I can offer some balance occasionally, whether it comes accross that way, or not, is another story

happy days

r m

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

cheryl new . thanks i was not going to offer you any of my tips anyway. but looking at some of your posts i would of thought i could of helped. but dont wory i am on the other site as well . i dont cause trouble those that respond are the one that are aggresive rather similar to yourself actualy. good luck with your cleaning. ron 

[dave401uk]

cheryl, i do agree with you, it is getting so stupid,and he does wind me up, to the point where i cant help but take the bait, but then he does know all the answers,so busy he spends 18 hrs a dy on the pc.

dave

[garyj]

Cheryl, things are not so rosy on general cleaning either. Some of the domestic cleaners on there have me tearing my hair out in frustration, they really are clueless.

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

oh dear perhaps you should stop wallowing and do something about it. like being positive, course its out there you just havent found it.

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

dave my computer is on broadband so its on most og the time logged in. i would love to be not working. but i in fact put in around 10 hours a day. and my wife runs a cleaning company so i look after the kiddies. and yes at least i have some answers. but what have you got to offer. not alot but snipes. it takes a really big man to do that time time time again. sad isent it

[garyj]

LMFAO, just had to end in a row didn't it.  :

[paul@ctcs]

Whens the next get together We can all thrash out our differences face to face

Paul

Ps, Dave are you not an ex marine or something   Look out Ron!!!

[Matt Read]

I think ron is a bit blunt sometimes,sometimes he responds to the more aggressive replys with a wind up of his own,other times he talks good sense,and i do think he's more likely to know more about the type of clients the majority of cleaners who post here prob service.The top end of the market is something we should all aim for but its not the biggest part of the market . Don the upholstery wand man who got laughed off this site is now on cleaning pro's and has become a valued poster there ! i think ron's early wind ups got to a lot of you and u can't let go,,take a step back read his post's and only respond if you think he's giving bad advice or you like the topic.

[eco freindly. peoples champion ron .sherlock]

paul dont join in on this sad exploitation of an individual, and so what if he is an ex marine. should we all shutup in the threat or fear of violance.if so we should be in a regime llike iran.or similar countries.still you must be able to say what you want.as i do

[dave401uk]

I agree we should all be able to say what we want,
however wouldnt it be nice if some of it made sense?
or even had a piont!

Dave

[Dave_Lee]

It always amazes me how passionate  CCs are about the work we do. Ive always wondered why this is the case, and wonder if other trades share the same enthusiasm. It is this passion and enthusiasm that leads to conflicts of ideas and beliefs. It is only natural that some topics will wind people up and degrade into heated exchanges. I'm sure the people involved, accept a bit of banter and even place a new topic or a response to one, that they know will cause a bit of a stir, I myself sometimes voice an opinion that I know may be controversal - I then sit back and wait for the reaction, I know others do the same. I simply humour the posts that get a bit tiresome, instead of allowing them to annoy me. Theres always another topic to read.
Dave.

[Matt Read]

I just find it amusing all the veiled threats of violence all the time,,,its a forum for debate on cleaning,,every cleaning topic should be allowed,if it wasn't for ron then this would have been a microplitting ,allerg stop forum by now,and personally i find some of the posts entertaining,i'm on the other 2 forums too but this is prob the most entertaining.

[paul@ctcs]

paul dont join in on this sad exploitation of an individual, and so what if he is an ex marine. should we all shutup in the threat or fear of violance.if so we should be in a regime llike iran.or similar countries.still you must be able to say what you want.as i do

In that case Ron stop talking crap in every other post, you obviously do have some good things to say but ruin it by rubbing people up the wrong way!! cleanitup is no longer what it used to be, this is a shame as I for one learnt a great deal and made a number of friends from this forum
I wont be suprised if a few more of the old boys up sticks and only use other forums.

Paul